Empty Mag

[BeachBum 0]

Is it OK to transport AR15 with an attached EMPTY magazine? If yes, should I only use the 10 round or could I use a pinned 15/30?

[PK90 3,573]

Yes.

It does not matter.

[Clintoon Eastwood 2]

mag has to be in a separate bag right?

[johnp 45]

mag has to be in a separate bag right?

 

If the magazine isn't loaded what would it matter? Law says you can't transport a loaded firearm, empty magazine in the firearm doesn't make it loaded.

[RubberBullets 65]

http://njgunforums.c...j-gun-law-faqs/

• Unloaded: The firearm must be unloaded, as in there must be no ammunition in the gun. NJ defines the word firearm meaning the actual gun, under current law transportation of a loaded magazine would not be considered a loaded gun
  
• Cased/Wrapped: If the vehicle has a defined trunk separate from the passenger compartment, the firearms are to put in the trunk. If no trunk is present (as in a SUV) the firearm must be in a fastened case/wrapped/etc.
  
• Destination: It is important to recognize that NJ dictates that your course of travel while transporting firearms should be as direct as is reasonably possible.
  

Not loaded... no problem

 

Mags can be ducked taped to the rifle if you wanted as long as they are not in the mag well.

[djg0770 481]

Mags can be ducked taped to the rifle if you wanted as long as they are not in the mag well.

 

I think you meant LOADED mags can be ducked taped to the rifle if you wanted as long as they are not in the mag well.

[BeachBum 0]

Ok Thanks. I am about to cut the foam in my Pelican Storm case. I think I will use the Magpul (15/20 pined) for that.

[Clintoon Eastwood 2]

 

 

If the magazine isn't loaded what would it matter? Law says you can't transport a loaded firearm, empty magazine in the firearm doesn't make it loaded.

 

Cool, glad to learn something everyday. I keep the mags in the range bag anyways.

[Soju 153]

mag has to be in a separate bag right?

 

 

 

Mags can be ducked taped to the rifle if you wanted as long as they are not in the mag well.

 

 

 

[Karatenurse 11]

gun / Empty magazine in gun = ok

gun / loaded magazine in gun = not ok

gun / loaded magazine seperate from gun = ok

 

sounds simple, We do live in NJ and nothing is that simple.....!

[TheDon 3]

Are you guys telling me that I can transport unloaded mags in the same case as my rifle?!?! Man!! And, after all these years of transporting my mags in my hubcaps.

[Sonnylee 20]

I still don't understand it clearly. I know what it reads but I'm told that the magazine has to be empty and if not it is considered a fourth degree offense if caught?????

 

[johnp 45]

I still don't understand it clearly. I know what it reads but I'm told that the magazine has to be empty and if not it is considered a fourth degree offense if caught?????

 

What is confusing you? You are told the magazine has to be empty by whom? Don't take legal advice from your local gun shop employee.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Nothing states anywhere in NJ that a magazine has to be empty. NJ states no loaded firearms for transportation. Your clarity will be cleared up when you forget who ever told u other wise. Do what makes you feel comfortable, i transport most of my mags full in my ammo bag. If i take a rifle out i usually throw the empty mags in the case with the rifle.. to save space. I wouldn't transport loaded mags directly with the firearm, but that's just me.

[TheDon 3]

I actually had one idiot gun store clerk tell me that if a loaded mag is within a reachable distance from a firearm, the firearm is considered to be loaded. Total BS.

 

The law is really quite simple. Three rules (assuming you have a NJFPID):

1. Any empty mag is good to go <any preposition> any firearm. <in, on, near, under, above, around...>

2. A loaded rifle mag is good to go anywhere other than *in* the rifle.

3. A loaded pistol mag cannot be in the same case as the pistol (because handguns and ammo must be transported separately unless you have a NJ CCW).

 

Some believe that a persecutor could construe a rifle to be “loaded” if a loaded mag is in the same case as, or near an uncased rifle. This is predicated upon an assertion that the magazine is a part of the rifle and the magazine is loaded, therefore the rifle is loaded. You know, I am not going to say that I they are wrong. I am sure some Liberal Judge might allow that argument to be presented in court. And, I would not trust a NJ jury not to suck it up like sheeple at the trough. However, the is no black-letter law to support that position.

 

All that said, here is what I do:

I generally load up my mags prior to going to the range. I want to spend my range time shooting, not loading mags. I transport my loaded mags and my additional ammo in a large toolbox that I use as an ammo box. I choose to lock that toolbox with a key lock so there is no ambiguity about my intentions should I ever have an encounter with an anti-gun LEO. That is my choice, and I would never tell someone that they are required to do so.

[djg0770 481]

(because handguns and ammo must be transported separately unless you have a NJ CCW).

 

Link to the law or quote of the law supporting this please?

[TheDon 3]

Link to the law or quote of the law supporting this please?

 

I am either losing my mind or someone has edited the NJSP website since I last looked this up (albeit has been a while).

I would have sworn that this page http://www.njsp.org/about/fire_trans.html used to clearly state that the ammo needed to be in a separate container. Now it does not. If it was changed, it is good to see that the Superintendent is following the letter of 2C:39-6 g.

 

I stand corrected.

There are only TWO rules:

1. Any empty mag is good to go <any preposition> any firearm. <in, on, near, under, above, around...>

2. A loaded rifle mag is good to go anywhere other than *in* the rifle firearm.

3. A loaded pistol mag cannot be in the same case as the pistol (because handguns and ammo must be transported separately unless you have a NJ CCW).

 

Good catch djg0770. Thanks for making me look it up.

Sorry for the inadvertant bad information.

[MattH 0]

But if you read their FAQ section, http://www.njsp.org/faq.html#firearms, question 6 states it has to be in a separate container.

 

Q6.

How do you transport firearms?

A6.

Firearms shall be carried unloaded and contained in a closed and fastened case, gunbox, securely tied package, or locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.

Ammunition must be transported in a separate container and locked in the trunk of the automobile in which it is being transported.If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console.

[Qel Hoth 33]

But if you read their FAQ section, http://www.njsp.org/faq.html#firearms, question 6 states it has to be in a separate container.

 

But if you read the actual statute you will see no such requirement.

[Heavyopp 167]

But if you read their FAQ section, http://www.njsp.org/faq.html#firearms, question 6 states it has to be in a separate container.

 

I believe that this is for interstate travel - the federal transportation guidelines -- within NJ the firearm can be in an unlocked case on your back seat if you so choose.

[MattH 0]

But if you read the actual statute you will see no such requirement.

 

I know this. I was just pointing out that their website gives conflicting information. If a person were to just read the FAQ section and not research the actual statute that is the info they would get, and since it is from the NJSP website they would think it was the law.

[djg0770 481]

Good catch djg0770. Thanks for making me look it up.

Sorry for the inadvertant bad information.

 

I appreciate you taking the time to look it up and educating yourself (and hopefully others in the process as well). I confess that I knew what you would find but I was trying NOT to start an argument or be a dick.

[Steve_G 51]

http://njgunforums.c...j-gun-law-faqs/

• Destination: It is important to recognize that NJ dictates that your course of travel while transporting firearms should be as direct as is reasonably possible.
  

 

I believe this only applies to handguns. You can stop wherever you want with a long gun as long as you have a nj fid.

[TheDon 3]

I believe this only applies to handguns. You can stop wherever you want with a long gun as long as you have a nj fid.

Wherever you want, other than school grounds.

[raz-0 1,259]

But if you read the actual statute you will see no such requirement.

 

Even if you take it literally as required despite the law, it doesn't say that your magazines have to be unloaded. It just says the gun must be unloaded, and separate form the ammo, and that the ammo should be inaccessible form the passenger compartment.

 

loaded mags in one bag, gun in another bag, both in trunk.. everything should be fine even by that interpretation.

[voyager9 3,443]

loaded mags in one bag, gun in another bag, both in trunk.. everything should be fine even by that interpretation.

 

I think that applies to separate sections of the same bag, right? Say, a Range bag? Mags in outside pocket of range bag, gun (in a zipped up "bag") in the main section of the range bag. Range bag in trunk.

[djg0770 481]

Good GOD. You people are worse than engineers.

 

If I have a belt and suspenders, do I really need the rope in my pocket?

[TheDon 3]

It's that NJ-Firearm-FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Disinformation): "If it's got to do with guns, it's got to be illegal and there can only be a narrow convoluted pathway for legality."

I was like that for years and still revert every now and then.

Things were so much simpler when I lived in America. You just tossed your guns, loaded mags, and ammo in the back seat and went to the range.

[SmokeEater67 0]

Good GOD. You people are worse than engineers. If I have a belt and suspenders, do I really need the rope in my pocket?

 

This made my day! I met some engineers that took apart a new fuel pump that they couldnt get to work. They worked on it for about a week but still couldnt fix it broke it down to the smallest parts and nothing. So they got a new pump and having same issue were puzzeled. Another guy came up said I think you have the pump in backwards and we have a winner! they had it flowing back towrd the fuel tank instead of to the motor. Sometimes you have to Keep it Simple

 

I know a little off topic but still funny.

 

On topic: I'm glad to see this topic cause I, like TheDon thought rifle and pistol were different when it came to travel glad to see I was wrong

 

2. A loaded rifle mag is good to go anywhere other than *in* the rifle firearm.

3. A loaded pistol mag cannot be in the same case as the pistol (because handguns and ammo must be transported separately unless you have a NJ CCW).

[RubberBullets 65]

I think you meant LOADED mags can be ducked taped to the rifle if you wanted as long as they are not in the mag well.

 

How did I miss that? yes I meant loaded. Gonna sway from answering questions when my BAC is climbing.