Fire on US citizens?

[ruger9 0]

Absolutely. There is no way an untrained farmer or broken down veteran can stand up to a world class trained warrior.

 

Totally. Just ask Lieutenant Colonel Francis Smith.

[Tactical Monkey 51]

I love the tough bluster...it smells like victory.

 

Love to see how many can load up with a rifle and 12 mags and run up a hill...

 

Thought so. Good talk.

 

I can. I have. Think about it realistically - all of you. What sort of Tactical Monkey would I be, if I could not!

[KpdPipes 388]

with all due respect, if this is how you feel then you should just turn them in now. I have lived all over, know many high placed people in various areas that will have to choose should it come to this and in every discussion with said people, this is not how they think it would go down. Not only that, but only people in the liberal enclave of NY/NY/ and MA view it like this. You go to the Midwest, South, many parts of California of all places and the basin area and you can forget any turning over of firearms.

 

Also, never has a populace been disarmed over time. In ever instance it was fast and happened with military support to include the UK. For every gunman, LE requires about 20. You start to get pockets of resistance, gov'ts get nervous and infringe more which promotes greater violence and unease.

 

This has nothing to do with playing Wolverines but more about history, context and common sense.

 

No, No it certainly did NOT. Since every firearm is registered and licensed, they all got letters asking them to turn them in for compensation, about a month after they got a "Reminder" letter, adn then a very police visit by PC's there was no Door crashing or Military involvement.

[Shane45 807]

Look, an old fat guy doesnt need to survive it, he just needs to fight. Having the fortitude to kill in the name of dissarmament will be VERY short lived.

[JustJoe 0]

LIL and not directed at anybody in particular, but here it goes:

the idea that the American revolution was fought by a ragtag of untrained farmers that decided to abandon the plow and picked their rifles in a fervor of patriotism is ludicrous. While their patriotism is without question, they were well trained, well funded, were part of a regulated militia that had existed for a number of years providing for local defense. In the early years they had to fight against the Natives and learned a lot from them, often time via the hard way. Used Indian techniques against the British later with great effectiveness. Militia training was mandatory, at least in the New England colonies.

 

For just 9 bucks

http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/1597970700

 

or spend a few hundred here

[ruger9 0]

LIL and not directed at anybody in particular, but here it goes:

the idea that the American revolution was fought by a ragtag of untrained farmers that decided to abandon the plow and picked their rifles in a fervor of patriotism is ludicrous. While their patriotism is without question, they were well trained, well funded, were part of a regulated militia that had existed for a number of years providing for local defense.

 

Well trained and well funded? Someone should have told General Washington that... him and his rag-tag group of shoeless and jacketless soldiers wintering at Jockey Hollow and Valley Forge. They did eventually become well-trained, thanks to Baron von Steuben, but were NEVER well-funded... lest we forget the mutiny that was stopped by Washington, and the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1873: ( both BECAUSE the soldiers could not get paid):

 

http://www.earlyamer.../wshngton.html/

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Mutiny_of_1783

[ECShooter 0]

 

Wow...sharp retort... kiddy section...is that the best ya got? LOL...whatever

 

 

Look, I do not know you..you do not know me....age backround etc....This sadly is not the greatest generation.....you have no choice but to understand that you are a minority and unless you plan on effectively working to secure an amicable solution, the tide of public opinion, driven my the brain dead pols and power hungry intelligentsia, IS going to steam roll over you and make you a sad footnote, if at all in history...

 

You are living a fools dream if you think otherwise....

 

Fight while you can....I AGREE WITH THAT.... I AGREE with the USCONN.... my God are you blind....however....

 

I disagree with the threads that speak of inane nonsense that have no basis in truth.... this thread is the prime example.....

 

You cannot even get enough people to put forth a good showing at a peaceful rally in trenton...so you think you are going to get middle class folks to enter in civil disobedience and get arrested...let alone engage troops in the streets.... dude put down the post apocalyptic novels (they are interesting) and see that your fellow citizen will not do what you think needs to be done....

 

You can argue semantics, philosophy right and wrong...BUT perception is REALITY...and right now YOU and the rest of us are PERCEIVED as a threat to civilized society and as such it needs to be controlled....until such time as you change public opinion and secure legal precedent to continue to be engaged in firearms ownership etc....they will wipe your ass with the USCONN and nothing you are going to do about it....and if and when threads like this EVER hit 'the media', you will again be labeled a threat more and elicit more control.....

 

I am done trying to change what i perceive to be irresponsible behaviour...hey I am a nobody....you have your opinion...I respect that..I have mine..time will tell who is right...

 

and guess what....I pray that * I * am wrong.....

 

Those sound like the words of a true leader. Seriously.

 

Pointing out the lack of unification, respecting others (opposing) opinions, offering fair and well thought out ideas on the reality of the situation. Calling out that you are a "nobody," smells of leadership. Combine all of that with the fact that you stirred up 6 pages of posts off of intellectual fair debate, that equals leadership qualities.

 

You may want to watch out, if you can motivate like this, you may develop a following and be chased down as a leader to men.

 

This is not the greatest generation, but could it be one day?

 

 

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[RUTGERS95 890]

Well trained and well funded? Someone should have told General Washington that... him and his rag-tag group of shoeless and jacketless soldiers wintering at Jockey Hollow and Valley Forge. They did eventually become well-trained, thanks to Baron von Steuben, but were NEVER well-funded... lest we forget the mutiny that was stopped by Washington, and the march on Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1873: ( both BECAUSE the soldiers could not get paid):

 

http://www.earlyamer.../wshngton.html/

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Mutiny_of_1783

Well trained and well funded? Someone should have told General Washington that... him and his rag-tag group of shoeless and jacketless soldiers wintering at Jockey Hollow and Valley Forge. They did eventually become well-trained, thanks to Baron von Steuben, but were NEVER well-funded... lest we forget the mutiny that was stopped by Washington, and the Pennsylvania Mutiny of 1873: ( both BECAUSE the soldiers could not get paid):

 

http://www.earlyamer.../wshngton.html/

 

http://en.wikipedia...._Mutiny_of_1783

No, No it certainly did NOT. Since every firearm is registered and licensed, they all got letters asking them to turn them in for compensation, about a month after they got a "Reminder" letter, adn then a very police visit by PC's there was no Door crashing or Military involvement.

 

came up wrong...lol

[RUTGERS95 890]

LIL and not directed at anybody in particular, but here it goes:

the idea that the American revolution was fought by a ragtag of untrained farmers that decided to abandon the plow and picked their rifles in a fervor of patriotism is ludicrous. While their patriotism is without question, they were well trained, well funded, were part of a regulated militia that had existed for a number of years providing for local defense. In the early years they had to fight against the Natives and learned a lot from them, often time via the hard way. Used Indian techniques against the British later with great effectiveness. Militia training was mandatory, at least in the New England colonies.

 

For just 9 bucks

http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/1597970700

 

or spend a few hundred here

 

laughable really

 

to even suggest we were well funded much less well trained for much of that conflict flies in the face of historical context, diaries, known letters etc .....

[spacemanvic 0]

LIL and not directed at anybody in particular, but here it goes:

the idea that the American revolution was fought by a ragtag of untrained farmers that decided to abandon the plow and picked their rifles in a fervor of patriotism is ludicrous. While their patriotism is without question, they were well trained, well funded, were part of a regulated militia that had existed for a number of years providing for local defense. In the early years they had to fight against the Natives and learned a lot from them, often time via the hard way. Used Indian techniques against the British later with great effectiveness. Militia training was mandatory, at least in the New England colonies.

 

For just 9 bucks

http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/1597970700

 

or spend a few hundred here

 

Nice try at rewriting history Joe!

[RUTGERS95 890]

Absolutely. There is no way an untrained farmer or broken down veteran can stand up to a world class trained warrior.

 

I have some friends back from overseas that have very different views than you on this. History is littered with unskilled and untrained freedom fighters that have brought whole countries to a standstill

[RUTGERS95 890]

I can. I have. Think about it realistically - all of you. What sort of Tactical Monkey would I be, if I could not!

 

of course people can do it. It's funny to assume many of us could not unless of course you spend your days eating hot wings and beer and are so out shape that his moronic line pertains to you (universal not you tac monkey).

 

Must be the same kind of people that complain when their AR is 8.5lbs and not 7.9lbs.

[spacemanvic 0]

I have some friends back from overseas that have very different views than you on this. History is littered with unskilled and untrained freedom fighters that have brought whole countries to a standstill

 

I shoulda put sarcasm tags on my post....

[EX Carnival man 223]

For years now the media has been fanning putting our military and our first responders up on a pedestal. Now its "Your putting our first responders at risk." When I was kid you never heard that term "Putting them at risk" They have almost become God like figures in our lives. A weak minded person will be subjected to this propaganda more so than a strong minded independent person. So many believe they are God like supermen who will run over us poor untrained peasants. England felt the same about the Americans, Hitler about the Russians, England again about India, Johnson about the North Vietnam. Politicians get big heads, and make very big mistakes. If first responders start to shoot in the name of disarmament Its going to be bad for EVERYONE. This country will NOT be the same.

[RUTGERS95 890]

No, No it certainly did NOT. Since every firearm is registered and licensed, they all got letters asking them to turn them in for compensation, about a month after they got a "Reminder" letter, adn then a very police visit by PC's there was no Door crashing or Military involvement.

 

first off, don't assume people are talking about door crashing when referring to the military.

 

Secondly, were you there during the late 80s during that time or are you googling it? I was during the 'voluntary' submissions due to my father's work.

 

The UK had military backstop and it was widely known that any resistance or non compliance would result in immediate and swift response. There are several instances of UK special tactics units shutting down whole blocks with military support/vehicles etc as back up.

[RUTGERS95 890]

I shoulda put sarcasm tags on my post....

 

sorry....didn't get it, my bad

[Walt of Destiny 412]

From The Post today:

 

"First it was bacon, now it's chicken wings. With less than two weeks to go before the big game, football fans may find it a bit harder to find their favorite Super Bowl snack.

The National Chicken Council released a report that said the demand for wings this year is at “an all-time high”.

 

Hmmm...Just saying...

[spacemanvic 0]

It's interesting.

 

I left The Garden State a while ago, and came back on here to gauge the tenor of NJ gun enthusiasts. Im finding that the acceptance of the assault weapons ban as well as the Democratic party influence is very telling. Ive yet to go to other NE corridor gun forum to make this a valid point, but from what I've read here, I dont see things much different than what the metrosexuals of their day expressed at the outbreak of the American Revolution, which makes me question my initial assumption.

 

Many areas of NJ were Tory strongholds, as was NYC. I dont think guns were as much in vogue in these areas then much like now, and there wasnt a Democrat party to influence. So, could it be the comfort of an urban area, or the mercantile class (in this case higher income) makes a population more accepting of authoritarian rule so as long as their comfort level isnt affected?

 

Im seeing a defeatist attitude being expressed here ensconced in a perceived "reality". Outside of the NJ bubble, 2A is doing VERY well, and Im beginning to think that an assault on 2A may very well be viewed for what it is: a blatant power grab. We've got the futility of the 84 gun ban's influence on crime statistics to illustrate that gun control, doesnt work, so there is precedent to say to the gun grabbers, NO.

 

It's also interesting that there are a few here that are espousing the idea to go to the table and talk to the gun grabbers and "compromise". It's only a compromise if BOTH parties give and take. Historically speaking, 2A adherents have gotten very little in return for past compromises to the Gun Grabbers, so why should today be any different? Compromise? No. To do so would only serve to further erode our rights (just ask NY state). Gun grabbers are punks, thugs. Giving a thug anything is like feeding a stray dog: they come back for more.

[ruger9 0]

Great post, spacemanvic.

[spacemanvic 0]

Great post, spacemanvic.

Thank you. Good luck NJ!!

[jackandjill 683]

Systematically this would be the most way, then just clean up the mess.

 

But again, Why? What is the end result?

There is no end result. The real fun is in the game.

Why ? Same as its been for aeons - Make as many people work their time and energy to provide luxury and power to few.

People are inherently lazy. When given power, they would use to further consolidate it and make other people work for the benefit of select few.

 

That was "why" for a very long time and it will be "why" for as long as Human race survives.

 

A more concrete example is taxes. Unless you remove tools and means of people who would resist, one cannot move forward with slowly but surely increasing taxes - which is a way to take percentage of your work and 'distribute' it. In that game, select few gets to enjoy the finest life has to offer.

[Combat Auto 174]

+1for Spacemanvic...I do not think the GunGrabers would negotiate in good faith...Their ultimate goal, is for us to give up our guns totally, and be more dependent on the Nany State...I have been asked by a very respeced member of this fourom (who I respect and like also) to not call the GunGrabers Liberals. Yes, indeed not all liberals are gungrabers - but probably all GunGrabers are Liberals/socialists...Their concious or subconcius (i don't know) belief system is that it is all about the "State". And they do not like individualism in the main. And fortunatly or unfortunatly we can not seperate GunGrabers from the Socialist/Liberal movement in this country. They are two sides to the same coin...And the biggest hypocrocy of this two sided coin is the fact that in the main (again; always exceptions), the same Gang that claims they are saving kid's lives by grabing your gun, supports about a million abortions a year...To quote the great TX Governer - IT DISCUSSED ME!...

[RUTGERS95 890]

Great post, spacemanvic.

 

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

not one inch