NJTOW 3 Posted August 6, 2013 Go to http://nj1015.com/ and take the gun poll. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Night Prowler 0 Posted August 6, 2013 Done. This and ccw was the topic during the 7:00 hour. Would of posted but was driving. Large support for our cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted August 6, 2013 Hosts and callers alike on 101.5 for the majority seem to be on our side. Glad that atleast some people have their head out of their ass This signature exceeds the 15 character capacity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted August 6, 2013 I think their poll question needs some revision... "Would NJ be safer is residents had the ability to carry a handgun?" Voted... 92.54% Yes 7.46% no Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted August 6, 2013 I am really liking that this issue is getting talked up. I hope it will reach critical mass, but I'm not holding my breath. But the stockholm syndrome in NJ needs to end. More people need to be less afraid of the state. "That's the way it's always been, it's not gonna change" attitude needs to go away. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TR20 47 Posted August 6, 2013 Done and hoping it does some good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jrfly3006 42 Posted August 6, 2013 Done.. 95% for it...as of 0950...nice Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,444 Posted August 6, 2013 I only caught the tail end of the discussion on the radio. I did agree with the host (Gearhart?). If people are afraid and feel threatened then they have a right to what it takes to protect themselves. If that includes owning or wearing a gun, then so be it. The government's job is not to keep legal and responsible people from protecting themselves. Their job is to solve the threat.. to take away the reason its citizens are afraid. And so far nobody seems willing to do that. He also said something along the lines of "I acknowledge your right to carry a gun, but I don't think I like it.. I don't trust everyone'. Which may cut to the point for many people.. Trust. Most people don't trust other people.. so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted August 6, 2013 He also said something along the lines of "I acknowledge your right to carry a gun, but I don't think I like it.. I don't trust everyone'. Which may cut to the point for many people.. Trust. Most people don't trust other people.. so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving.. Mostly every state(with some exceptions, like NJ, MD) allow some form of CCW. This guy might not realize it, but when on vacation in sunny Florida with his family(just an example), he was likely around someone carrying a pistol concealed on their body at some point. But he didn't know it...out of sight, out of mind. That being said...his comment of "so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving" is baseless. If that were true he wouldn't leave his house. Or leave NJ(well, except for all of the armed criminals who couldn't care less about NJ's gun laws). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,444 Posted August 6, 2013 Mostly every state(with some exceptions, like NJ, MD) allow some form of CCW. This guy might not realize it, but when on vacation in sunny Florida with his family(just an example), he was likely around someone carrying a pistol concealed on their body at some point. But he didn't know it...out of sight, out of mind. That being said...his comment of "so the thought of those people having a lethal weapon is unnerving" is baseless. If that were true he wouldn't leave his house. Or leave NJ(well, except for all of the armed criminals who couldn't care less about NJ's gun laws). True.. Some people have the belief that if CCW was loosened it would turn our society into a warzone.. as if CCW == Syria. As point out several places (here and NJ.com comments), if that were true then the states that allow CCW would already be that way.. and that clearly isn't happening. Still.. I think calling it baseless oversimplifies things. We're a society that no longer trusts one-another. I don't know you, so I don't trust you, so I don't want you to have a tool that enables you to escalate a violent situation to lethal levels. Even if it's exaggerated, it is still a fear and not so easily dismissed. It doesn't matter that most CCW holders wouldn't escalate (or even allow themselves to get in that situation in the first place). The fear is still there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Albanian 121 Posted August 6, 2013 Problem is the people he really shouldn't trust are generally the ones who carry pistols because they don't care about the law to begin with. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,444 Posted August 6, 2013 Problem is the people he really shouldn't trust are generally the ones who carry pistols because they don't care about the law to begin with. True. And he did acknowledge that point. And at least he also acknowledged the dichotomy: "You can have a gun to protect yourself.. but I don't know if I trust you with it".. That's a much better stand than the politicians who only see the one side of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gski1 3 Posted August 6, 2013 True.. Some people have the belief that if CCW was loosened it would turn our society into a warzone.. as if CCW == Syria. As point out several places (here and NJ.com comments), if that were true then the states that allow CCW would already be that way.. and that clearly isn't happening. Still.. I think calling it baseless oversimplifies things. We're a society that no longer trusts one-another. I don't know you, so I don't trust you, so I don't want you to have a tool that enables you to escalate a violent situation to lethal levels. Even if it's exaggerated, it is still a fear and not so easily dismissed. It doesn't matter that most CCW holders wouldn't escalate (or even allow themselves to get in that situation in the first place). The fear is still there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted August 6, 2013 True. And he did acknowledge that point. And at least he also acknowledged the dichotomy: "You can have a gun to protect yourself.. but I don't know if I trust you with it".. That's a much better stand than the politicians who only see the one side of it. Well, if they enacted CCW in NJ for a trial period of 5 years like some have suggested, perhaps that would help him gain a little trust in us law abiding carrying concealed guns. It would prove to everyone, politicians included that it won't turn into the wild west/Syria. Unless of course he's out robbing people, then he would have a reason to fear...you don't know who is armed and who isn't. But of course this is NJ and anything logical is wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 6, 2013 I think the message fails to get across that majority of states have expanded gun rights or have already had these laws on the books in the last 30 yrs. The wild west scenario does not jive because there are literally 7/8ths of the country already coexisting with "reasonable" and "common sense" concealed carry laws on the books. I dont necessarily think people in NJ and NY understand that we/they are the SUPER MINORITY in terms of 2nd amendment rights. Seems like everyone else is handling ccw just fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,444 Posted August 6, 2013 Well, if they enacted CCW in NJ for a trial period of 5 years like some have suggested, perhaps that would help him gain a little trust in us law abiding carrying concealed guns. It would prove to everyone, politicians included that it won't turn into the wild west/Syria. Awareness, visibility, and maybe experience and some level of training could all help change the public perception of CCW holders. At a minimum we need to keep people like this from continuing the view that handing someone a firearm turns them from Mr Walker to Mr Wheeler Anti-Gun Union Boss – “If I Answer the Wrong Question, is My [Armed] Teacher Going to Shoot Me?” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted August 6, 2013 done, still holding at 95% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,848 Posted August 6, 2013 95.13% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubberBullets 65 Posted August 6, 2013 poll gone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack 17 Posted August 6, 2013 poll gone? No, I found it and voted. It's still holding 95% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HuntingCelt 1 Posted August 6, 2013 still at 95% just voted ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maintenanceguy 512 Posted August 6, 2013 It's still there, you have to click on the story which is low on the left side of the page. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted August 7, 2013 Done...96% for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fishpaw 17 Posted August 7, 2013 Yes 95.34% No 4.66% Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites