gun storage for a friend

[Sota 1,191]

I have a friend who is heading out of town for a couple months, and am going to offer to store his firearm for him during that time. His living arrangements do not lend him to leaving it at his co-occupied living quarters. What are any legal requirements or paperwork I should have done to store his firearm for him? I'm not taking ownership of the firearm, but I guess I am taking possession of it for the time he's gone.

 

Any thoughts?

[Purple Patrick 638]

Either fill out coe's or delete this post and just do it and don't post about it

 

 

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[mark_anthony_78 0]

COE's would only work for long guns, correct?

 

If it's a handgun you'd need to use a permit to take possession of it.

[david8613 69]

i wouldn't take possession of it, too much responsibility and I do not think its legal to do so... Maybe a gun shop could hold it for ya for a fee, let them put some new night sights or something.

[AlexTheSane 236]

I don't know what they charge.  But something like this would be a legal option for storage.  https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/storage/

 

Considering that, for your friend, your house isn't an exempt location.

 

Just something to think about.

[Mr.Stu 1,930]

I assume you live in NJ (guessing because of the forum). If your buddy is an NJ resident too this can be doable. If he is not, you will need to do any transfer via an FFL.

 

If it is a pistol you will need a PtP to take possession. If it is more than 1 pistol you will need a PtP for each and an OGAM exemption.

 

For a long gun a COE is needed per firearm and you need to have an FID.

 

If you can't get the paperwork done in time there is a company that started up last year which will be able to help - but for a fee, obviously. https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/storage/gunsitters/

 

Apparently it took a ton of work to sort out the legal mess that is NJ gun law to enable these guys to offer this service. I have not used them so cannot vouch for them. One of their guys came to a SCFGPA general meeting last year to raise awareness of their services (sales pitch).

 

Hope it helps.

[david8613 69]

Doing a transfer with permits would take too long and money involved and then you have to reverse this when he comes back...

[NEAHS 11]

Can you write up a lease agreement? Just like someone who rents an apartment. That way he can transport & store his firearms between residences.

[ogfarmer 138]

Firearms supply and storage is a excellent service and as I mentioned in the other threads about this topic I have 2 friends who used them and it was a excellent choice they said .

[louu 399]

Youse guys are too paranoid. As long as its not stolen or used in a murder wtf do I care. Friends are friends and if they need me to watch their dog, car, gun, what ever I'll do it.

[mark_anthony_78 0]

Watching someone's dog or car isn't a felony in NJ.

 

Do we like the laws?  No.   But Mr. Murphy tends to strike at the most inopportune times.

[Norseman 2]

I read here on the forum a couple months ago that there is a company in New Jersey that Will store your guns for you for a fee. I think they were affiliated with the store up in Ramsey?

 

 

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[JTS1469 0]

I agree a lot of people make a big deal about little things. On the other hand asking here where most people know how bad N.J. Is more people are aware of the bad things that could happen. Then you get the idea as posted above. Go out and get a lease/rental agreement from staples or somewhere similar and fill it out then have it notorized by another friend. Cost ya about 5 bucks and everyone's legal.

[kman 56]

I don't know if this makes it legal or not, but if your friend moved to your address, then he could bring his guns with him when he moved.  And if he then went on a trip, his address in NJ could remain at your address.  This could potentially be accomplished by changing the address on his driver license at the DMV which can be done online, and having his other stuff changed over (have bank statements, etc, go to your address). 

 

If he moves to your house/apartment, brings his stuff there with him, and his driver license has his address as your place, then who would say he isn't allowed to have his guns there?  Definitely have him lock them up too, so you don't have access to them even if you wanted to get to them. 

 

And like I said, I don't know if this is legal or not but I do know one thing - it is easier to move your address than it is to legally transfer ownership of a pistol in NJ.

[Sota 1,191]

As it turns out this same friend did live at my residence for a spell during some hard times. Even had mail and bills coming here.

 

JTS voiced the same thoughts that were rattling around in my skull, just not fully formulated for articulation.

[illy 1]

Changing addresses, if we're talking letter of the law, would also require that your friend change his address on his FID within 30 days of "moving". Which means applying at your local PD (of State Police barracks if no PD) and everything that entails.

 

And when he returns to his actual residence, change it all again. 

I would just go with the company mentioned (several times) above: https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/storage/

[Polak 3]

Tell your friend to buy a good safe and he won't have to worry about his co-ops

[illy 1]

Tell your friend to buy a good safe and he won't have to worry about his co-ops

 

True

[david8613 69]

True

This, or use a service, god forbid something happens at your place a fire,a break in and police come over and you have to explain why you have someone elses guns and the owner is no were near. Dont play with nj laws they can burn you.

[NickySantoro 211]

Either fill out coe's or delete this post and just do it and don't post about it

 

 

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[67gtonut 847]

https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/

[JC_68Westy 1,024]

Can't you just lease a storage spot in your home for your friend?  I don't think that the amount of space matters.  This could take place for $1.  A lease for space should be sufficient. I don't think your guns have to be in your house, just a location possessed by you (as in a lease or owned property).

[oneshot 45]

Theres a place in whippany that has a huge gun vault that stores guns. Try to google it . I forget the name

[67gtonut 847]

https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/

 

 

Theres a place in whippany that has a huge gun vault that stores guns. Try to google it . I forget the name

 

[checko 180]

Sorry I'm not taking anyone else's gun in this state. No way, no how.

[Spartiati 63]

I assume you live in NJ (guessing because of the forum). If your buddy is an NJ resident too this can be doable. If he is not, you will need to do any transfer via an FFL.

 

If it is a pistol you will need a PtP to take possession. If it is more than 1 pistol you will need a PtP for each and an OGAM exemption.

 

For a long gun a COE is needed per firearm and you need to have an FID.

 

If you can't get the paperwork done in time there is a company that started up last year which will be able to help - but for a fee, obviously. https://firearmssupportandstorage.com/storage/gunsitters/

 

Apparently it took a ton of work to sort out the legal mess that is NJ gun law to enable these guys to offer this service. I have not used them so cannot vouch for them. One of their guys came to a SCFGPA general meeting last year to raise awareness of their services (sales pitch).

 

Hope it helps.

 

Wasn't much of legal tangle for them to do it becasue they are an FFL.  The have been in business awhile.  They have a large underground safe that they had been using to store digital media etc. and got the idea if they obtained an FFL they could also store firearms and that is what they are now doing.  They also operate a retail business and just opened a tactical shooting range inside which utilizes glocks fitted with CO2 cartriges which similate recoil (cycles the slide) and shoots a laser at a projection of simulated real world senarios.  Was in there a couple weeks back and it is pretty cool.

[mipafox 438]

You guys seem to think that simply intending to cross a state line enacts FOPA protection against the laws of your home state under all circumstances. Rent a room at a storage place on the PA side of the border for a few months.

 

I had an AR in one for so long I spent 3x it's value in rent

[Mr.Stu 1,930]

Wasn't much of legal tangle for them to do it becasue they are an FFL. The have been in business awhile. They have a large underground safe that they had been using to store digital media etc. and got the idea if they obtained an FFL they could also store firearms and that is what they are now doing. They also operate a retail business and just opened a tactical shooting range inside which utilizes glocks fitted with CO2 cartriges which similate recoil (cycles the slide) and shoots a laser at a projection of simulated real world senarios. Was in there a couple weeks back and it is pretty cool.

I believe the tangle revolved around that fact that one of the options is that you effectively have a locker on their premises and can access your gun at any time. It does not get entered on their FFL bound book and you don't need any permit to get it back.

 

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