What This Forum Lacks...

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Speaking of women...where's Stephanie?

 

She shows up in chat every once in a while....

[Vlad G 345]

The liberal mind of any creed is largely incapable of safe gun ownership, at least over time. 

 

That is complete nonsense. It is so bad, it almost hurts. There are a lot of liberal gun owners, serious gun owners at that. I know some personally. They just happen to NOT tell you they are liberal because they are worried that they will be judged as mentally defective people, as you have just done.

 

If you want more inclusion, stop repeating stereotypes, stop dividing the entire world as right or left, conservative or liberal, with no interest crossover. Humans are far more complex that then that, and if you don't like being stereotyped the first step is to stop doing it to others.

 

 

 

If it was NJGASF (New Jersey Gun and Shoes Forum), there would be women on here 5 to 1.

 

FFS, and you wonder why women would be insulted to hang out here.

[Pythagoras 2]

That is complete nonsense. It is so bad, it almost hurts. There are a lot of liberal gun owners, serious gun owners at that. I know some personally. They just happen to NOT tell you they are liberal because they are worried that they will be judged as mentally defective people, as you have just done.

 

If you want more inclusion, stop repeating stereotypes, stop dividing the entire world as right or left, conservative or liberal, with no interest crossover . Humans are far more complex that then that, and if you don't like being stereotyped the first step is to stop doing it to others.

 

FFS, and you wonder why women would be insulted to hang out here.

This, this, a thousand times this.

[Underdog 1,593]

This, this, a thousand times this.

 

 

So, serious... Tongue in Cheek (and honesty)... Women aren't that thin-skinned to be insulted. If there is something here that interests them, they will come.  If you build it, they will come.   You will find women at other forums, the ones that interest them more... fertility forums, baby name forums, fashion forums, sex, health and nutrition, cooking, etc..  Do you think women sit around and wonder how they can get guys to join their forum?  It is about Interest.  If women are interested, they will come.   My sons like boy things and my daughter likes girl things.  Do they like each others toys?  Sometimes, but its not the rule and it doesn't add significantly to the numbers.  As a general rule, they maintain their lines.  Did I unduly influence them.  NO.  They like what they like.  If a woman does come on here, she will get more attention, just because of the the scarcity.  She may or may not like that.  If she wants to be low key, she won't announce she is a woman. 

 

Do more women or more men go to Home Depot?  Do more women or men go to Target?  Are there exceptions to the rule?  Of course.  Some liberals  are good gun owners.  Some women are interested in gun forums.  

 

You guys are so ridiculous, I'm laughing so hard it almost hurts.  There are men and women interested in firearms.  There are men and women interested in shooting sports.  And, there are certainly men and women interested in self-protection and protecting the ones they love (Not enough, in this state, all around, though... a credit to the OP). The liberal, statist, RINO government is against all of those.  I am sure that this forum would be shut down if they could find a way.  I cannot even access it at Morristown Hospital.  And, men and women are not one-sided in their political views, but gun control is lumped together with say Common Core... Something that many woman should be much more interested in. 

 

Why don't you work harder on getting more men to join the forum?  They have a latent interest.  Women are probably the largest group of new gun owners and may find a home here as well, but you aren't going to make it more "hospitable" by not being yourself... As I said earlier, Pinterest is your friend, right!  Our founding documents are also your friend and inextricably linked to those that own guns, male or female! 

 

And by the way, I'm a "big-tent" gun enthusiast and stereotypical of a gun owner.  The more responsible constitutional conservatives, men or women on this forum, the better.   I'd tell you what this forum really lacks, but some of you conservatively less endowed might cry!  We don't need more women on here as much as we need real men!

[average joe 5]

What this forum needs is more gun related stuff, not threads like this !

[bhunted 887]

Maybe what it really needs is an enema....

 

 

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[Old School 611]

Blah, Blah, Blah...

 

Libitards are your enemy, know it or not.

 

Correction: Maybe not YOUR enemy if you are a Libitard.

 

Specifically, Libitards are the enemy of the Second Amendment.

 

Sure play your gun games with the mandated 10rd mags and the world will go to pot around you.

 

Sure this is off topic but I didn't start it.

 

And for Vlad and post #17...PM me and I'll tell you who the Aholes were and how I came to the conclusion.

[Vlad G 345]

Dear lord, you guys sound exactly like the bitter old men the anti's paint us to be.

 

Don't be shocked if you will have a hard time reaching out to other groups, women included.

[Old School 611]

Dear lord, you guys sound exactly like the bitter old men the anti's paint us to be.

 

Don't be shocked if you will have a hard time reaching out to other groups, women included.

 

You had better call on the Lord!

 

Our society is eroding and you are being stripped of your rights "God Given" as they are.

 

If you are not enraged consider yourself a knome.

[DSD1026 48]

Well, unfortunately, this thread will either be locked or moved to the litterbox (sorry, "First Amendment Lounge") because some feel the need to turn a thread about bringing more women into the sport and forum into a spot to be on their political soapboxes again..

 

[Smokin .50 1,907]

You had better call on the Lord!

 

Our society is eroding and you are being stripped of your rights "God Given" as they are.

 

If you are not enraged consider yourself a knome.

 

Frank,

 

Vlad escaped the Communists, so you needn't go "there".  Being passionate is cool, I dig that, but no need for going over-the-top.

[Vlad G 345]

Name calling always makes everything better. Dividing people always works. Making every argument about god or the constitution is always a winning strategy.

 

These are of course the reasons why our rights are safe and .. oh shit. Wait, thats all wrong isn't it?

 

Maybe we should try harder doing the same thing that aren't working.  That would surely lead us to a different result the next time!!

 

 

If you choose to be a pawn in the left vs right idiocy,  you are playing in the hands of people trying to divide us and we will ALWAYS lose. Instead of worrying so much about labels and political parties how about we open our minds and treat people as humans and convince them that we are right one ONE issue, instead of insisting they better agree with us on everything? 

 

How about we realize that most women are not likely to be as conservative as you are? How about we make sure we help women at the range without making them feel like some form of strange creature on foreign territory? How about we don't treat them like "the little lady" and instead we treat them like shooters?

 

Lets put it this way, treat women shooters like you would treat men at the range. If you don't think that's a problem, I'll introduce you to a few women who really felt like they were treated like idiots at the range just because their were women.

[Sandy 44]

 Well , I mistakenly shared this thread with the ladies group because it was started by people who have their head screwed on right despite any age or stereotype. Unfortunately it went in the direction of another stereotype that probably does not get joked about as often - called the troglodyte factor.  

Coach ? Pinterest ? Seriously ? It is really apparent that outside of your own little bubble or whatever you look up on the internet a lot of you have a really limited amount of experience with actual real modern women that shoot.

Plenty of women are technical and would in fact be interested in discussing mechanics and techniques . We do it all the time . We had a gun cleaning pot luck where stuff got really technical . Smoking 50 was there along with another guy who is a wheelgun specialist. Nobody talked fashion and the men bought dishes and desserts they cooked.

Man , you guys should be smarter . You are alienating the one demographic group that would be the biggest factor in our future . You leave a lot on the table. Shame really.

It actually IS one the reasons I stopped posting/hanging out here . Not because I am insulted as a woman ( and quite frankly I have never seen so many men get butt hurt over what they say to each other as I have here , so check the thickness of your own skins)  I stopped because you cant mention a hang nail on your big toe without it turning into a lengthy debate. Congrats , you are ALL acting like women if you think about it. Enjoy the rest of your kikis ( look it up ) in your own cave. Good luck with the legislation fight in your camo . Later.

So sorry Bob , I know you meant well .

[Underdog 1,593]

Well, unfortunately, this thread will either be locked or moved to the litterbox (sorry, "First Amendment Lounge") because some feel the need to turn a thread about bringing more women into the sport and forum into a spot to be on their political soapboxes again..

 

 

Yes, there are collectivists with that power.  Hey, this thread is ridiculous.  Again, woman will come on here if they are interested.  They will not care about your avatars, political grandstanding, our family discussions, etc. unless they are interested.  They will not care about politics, etc. unless they want to search around.  This is NOT a thread to pickup dates or see what the other side's perspective is.  It is a forum about guns, gun enthusiasm, gun-related items and topics, and of course... politics.  In a state like this, one cannot avoid this.  In a country with tyrannical thugs in Washington, no matter what dung affiliation they have, we need to wake up.  Instead of bringing women to the forum, go on a date to a Tea Party event.  I may have derailed this feel-good thread, but its because it is ridiculous. 

 

The OP wants more women involved in all aspects of the 2nd Amendment, including political activism. 

[Smokin .50 1,907]

This didn't have to go down the way it did.  Women are 50% of the voting block.  The more women that enjoy shooting, for whatever reason, the better chance gun rights issues have at the polls.  

 

Just once I'd like to see real progress in a common goal around here instead of all of the chest-pounding.

 

SHAMEFUL!

[Underdog 1,593]

 Well , I mistakenly shared this thread with the ladies group because it was started by people who have their head screwed on right despite any age or stereotype. Unfortunately it went in the direction of another stereotype that probably does not get joked about as often - called the troglodyte factor.  

 

Coach ? Pinterest ? Seriously ? It is really apparent that outside of your own little bubble or whatever you look up on the internet a lot of you have a really limited amount of experience with actual real modern women that shoot.

 

Plenty of women are technical and would in fact be interested in discussing mechanics and techniques . We do it all the time . We had a gun cleaning pot luck where stuff got really technical . Smoking 50 was there along with another guy who is a wheelgun specialist. Nobody talked fashion and the men bought dishes and desserts they cooked.

 

Man , you guys should be smarter . You are alienating the one demographic group that would be the biggest factor in our future . You leave a lot on the table. Shame really.

 

It actually IS one the reasons I stopped posting/hanging out here . Not because I am insulted as a woman ( and quite frankly I have never seen so many men get butt hurt over what they say to each other as I have here , so check the thickness of your own skins)  I stopped because you cant mention a hang nail on your big toe without it turning into a lengthy debate. Congrats , you are ALL acting like women if you think about it. Enjoy the rest of your kikis ( look it up ) in your own cave. Good luck with the legislation fight in your camo . Later.

 

So sorry Bob , I know you meant well .

 

Sandy, that was tongue-in-cheek for the men, here, that want a "feel-good" forum, or that have a hidden agenda.  It is about interest.  And there is plenty here for you if that is your interested.  Coach and Pinterest were in jest and too much for some of our forum members with Cryan posters.   As for the women that you shared it with, I bet they would love to have a discussion on guns and shoes, while they are talking about reloading, or photography focal lengths.  If this thread has hurt your feelings, then I humbly apologize, but if you claim to have the interest you have then that is BS.  Most modern women I know wouldn't have the time to be here and that would be the limiting factor for them.  Many women love and marry Troglodytes.

 

By the way, what are some other forums that pique the interest of the modern women that shoot's?

 

As a complex individual I am going to bow out now.  Good night!

[Underdog 1,593]

This didn't have to go down the way it did.  Women are 50% of the voting block.  The more women that enjoy shooting, for whatever reason, the better chance gun rights issues have at the polls.  

 

Just once I'd like to see real progress in a common goal around here instead of all of the chest-pounding.

 

SHAMEFUL!

 

 

Give me a break!  We don't need Metrosexual Gun Enthusiasts.  Just Gun Enthusiasts with a keen interest in preserving our rights, men or women.  If there are women in NJ that are gun enthusiasts, and they like forums, they will most likely find a home, here.  If there is not, then they won't. 

 

By the way, Vlad, I'm not trying to divide people.  That is done every day by the progressives in power and their RINO cohorts that divide ethnic groups, sexual orientation, men and women, etc.  If you want to bring more interested people, women included to this forum, then stop the promotion of progressive drivel and progressive tenderness. 

[Old School 611]

Frank,nd

 

Vlad escaped the Communists, so you needn't go "there".  Being passionate is cool, I dig that, but no need for going over-the-top.

 

And so did my family. 

[Old School 611]

 Well , I mistakenly shared this thread with the ladies group because it was started by people who have their head screwed on right despite any age or stereotype. Unfortunately it went in the direction of another stereotype that probably does not get joked about as often - called the troglodyte factor.  

 

Coach ? Pinterest ? Seriously ? It is really apparent that outside of your own little bubble or whatever you look up on the internet a lot of you have a really limited amount of experience with actual real modern women that shoot.

 

Plenty of women are technical and would in fact be interested in discussing mechanics and techniques . We do it all the time . We had a gun cleaning pot luck where stuff got really technical . Smoking 50 was there along with another guy who is a wheelgun specialist. Nobody talked fashion and the men bought dishes and desserts they cooked.

 

Man , you guys should be smarter . You are alienating the one demographic group that would be the biggest factor in our future . You leave a lot on the table. Shame really.

 

It actually IS one the reasons I stopped posting/hanging out here . Not because I am insulted as a woman ( and quite frankly I have never seen so many men get butt hurt over what they say to each other as I have here , so check the thickness of your own skins)  I stopped because you cant mention a hang nail on your big toe without it turning into a lengthy debate. Congrats , you are ALL acting like women if you think about it. Enjoy the rest of your kikis ( look it up ) in your own cave. Good luck with the legislation fight in your camo . Later.

 

So sorry Bob , I know you meant well .

 

How aloof of you! 

 

Thank you for gracing us with your presence.

[Vlad G 345]

We don't need Metrosexual Gun Enthusiasts. 

 

Why not?

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Give me a break!  We don't need Metrosexual Gun Enthusiasts. 

 

Why not?  Get with the times.  Be accepting of others and other types - don't get a FUDD type of mentality - that doesn't help our cause at all.

[Underdog 1,593]

Why not?

 

Because they are just gun enthusiasts, gun enthusiasts that should believe in the Bill of Rights.  I have nothing against gun enthusiasts that are metrosexual.   What I am saying is that it doesn't have to come into the mix.  But politics does!

[Vlad G 345]

 But politics does!

 

So what you are saying is that you DON'T want someone who is pro-choice, or liberal, or whatever is not your political stripe to own guns? They have to agree with on everything or nothing? You won't take their pro-gun vote because they are pro-choice (or whatever else topic that gets your goat).

 

Also, Colion Noir would love to hear that is he "just a gun enthusiast" because his metrosexuality is somehow not manly enough, nevermind the impact he's having.

[Gunsrlegal 140]

Sandy, that was tongue-in-cheek for the men, here, that want a "feel-good" forum, or that have a hidden agenda. It is about interest. And there is plenty here for you if that is your interested. Coach and Pinterest were in jest and too much for some of our forum members with Cryan posters. As for the women that you shared it with, I bet they would love to have a discussion on guns and shoes, while they are talking about reloading, or focal lengths.

Okay, here is the voice of another female shooter who used to be involved here. Believe me, I'm not thin-skinned and I don't get insulted easily. I've been through enough life-crap in the last 2 years that would have broken a lot of men.

 

It's this type of attitude that makes me laugh---no, the women who Sandy referred to (I'm one of them) really do NOT want to discuss shoes whether or not they're related to firearms. I'm not insulted by this ridiculous statement, it just lowers my respect for the character of NJGF, which is what made me lose interest.

 

Feel free to return to your debates regarding conservative vs liberal, men vs women, democrats vs republicans, etc.

[Underdog 1,593]

Why not?  Get with the times.  Be accepting of others and other types - don't get a FUDD type of mentality - that doesn't help our cause at all.

 

 

I am accepting of others.  I am probably more tolerant of other people than you are, although it doesn't matter.  However, I am NOT tolerant of anyone that is a gun owner and voted for ANY of the tyrannical Democrats and their agenda or that voted even the first time for that sorry sack of presidency that we have in Washington no matter how complex of a person they are.  Those of you that fall into that category are against freedom, now matter how tolerant that you think you are.  Let me repeat that.  You are against personal liberty and knowingly or not, you are against private gun ownership.   There are many on this forum that fall into that category, men or women and I cannot let it rest. 

[Vlad G 345]

So you are more tolerant but not of half the country who tends to vote democrat. That makes sense.

[Underdog 1,593]

Okay, here is the voice of another female shooter who used to be involved here. Believe me, I'm not thin-skinned and I don't get insulted easily. I've been through enough life-crap in the last 2 years that would have broken a lot of men.

 

It's this type of attitude that makes me laugh---no, the women who Sandy referred to (I'm one of them) really do NOT want to discuss shoes whether or not they're related to firearms. I'm not insulted by this ridiculous statement, it just lowers my respect for the character of NJGF, which is what made me lose interest.

 

Feel free to return to your debates regarding conservative vs liberal, men vs women, democrats vs republicans, etc.

 

The whole point is that this is ridiculous.  You weren't able to find enough good in this forum?  I am not saying women are so shallow that they are into shoes... So, what would make the forum more appealing to you?  Change those avatars?  No politics?  No disagreements?  I am saying that those that think they can make it more women-friendly on here are ridiculous in trying to do that to bring you all on board.  That is the community-organizing mentality that is hurting us all.   If I don't want the opinions of those that are on here, I don't read their posts.  If I want to learn about handguns, I go to the handgun section.   I'm not worried that Toad will say something that offends me, or that Underdog might make a major mistake and alienate all the women that come to the forum. 

[Old School 611]

So what you are saying is that you DON'T want someone who is pro-choice, or liberal, or whatever is not your political stripe to own guns? Th're twistedlad youey have to agree with on everything or nothing? You won't take their pro-gun vote because they are pro-choice (or whatever else topic that gets your goat).

 

Also, Colion Noir would love to hear that is he "just a gun enthusiast" because his metrosexuality is somehow not manly enough, nevermind the impact he's having.

 

Twisted!

[Underdog 1,593]

So you are more tolerant but not of half the country who tends to vote democrat. That makes sense.

 

No, I am not tolerant of those that vote socialist, Marxist, Statist, Fascist, Community-Organizing thugs in and don't believe in truly limiting the power of the government over the governed and that are not in my best interest and protecting my individual rights and balancing them as carefully as can be while maintaining a functioning society.  Listen, we have to give a little liberty to be part of a society, but we have gone past that point.  Those that want to fundamentally change the idea of a Democratic Republic, however quaint, and taint the memory of those that fought to uphold and maintain it, they do not have my respect.  Half the county that votes Democrat has voted two or three times in an election, voted while dead, voted while illegal, and voted while being compromised by free stuff.  And, if 50% is Democrat (socialist / big-government statist) why is 90% of the media got their back?  Why isn't there a balance, Vlad?

[Underdog 1,593]

This thread would never have happened in a more freedom-loving state. 

 

I don't care if my wife comes to this forum or not.  If she wants to talk about  the merits of stock Glock sights, then she can log in.  If she wants to find out what is going on concerning the laws and firearms in NJ, she can visit.  I'm not going to sign her up and tell her that it is a peachy site that will make her feel good.  It is what it is.  She has to put up with my conservative views all the time.  And its not my fault, its that day in and day out I am not left alone.  I made considerable "sacrifices" to comply with 15-round magazines, and now the thugs want to attack me further.  It doesn't stop, and I'm not going to give up, either.  Whether its being vocal on this forum or elsewhere.  I owe that to my children and my paternal instincts that kick in.