Redlines 202 Posted March 13, 2015 http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/12/atf-raises-new-concerns-about-ar-15-ammo/ Seems it was their plan all the time . The department head says that all 5.56 ammo is a threat to police. If this was to go thru they would go after all rifle ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 13, 2015 well.....yeaaaa..........what'd ya expect from a criminal administration? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Polak 3 Posted March 13, 2015 It's been around for over 50 years and now its a threat. Sounds good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 13, 2015 "a challenge for officer safety,"...? Are they planning to create confrontation between law abiding citizen, sportsmen and LEOs ? "In a Senate Appropriations Committee hearing, ATF Director B. Todd Jones said" - That explains... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted March 13, 2015 W....T....F Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin125 4,772 Posted March 14, 2015 By any means necessary is their SOP. Last I checked more police officers were injured with axes than 5.56 rounds. 2 - 0 as I recall. If the concern was really a threat to LEOs, there would be an attempt to ban axes knives and motor vehicles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Hartman 31 Posted March 14, 2015 Since when do these people and I mean the Obama administration because no matter what anyone says this is not from the ATF, give 2 shits about cops? They don't .They are street thugs and Black Panthers. The only thing they hate more than white working class Christians are cops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Silence Dogood 468 Posted March 14, 2015 "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms" should be the name of a chain of convenience stores. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 14, 2015 Guys this is awesome, you are looking at it all wrong. Basically the ATF said they want to ban all rifle ammo. That should wake up some of the "I love the 2A and I own a bolt action for hunting but black rifles are evil" people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted March 14, 2015 Guys this is awesome, you are looking at it all wrong. Basically the ATF said they want to ban all rifle ammo. That should wake up some of the "I love the 2A and I own a bolt action for hunting but black rifles are evil" people. We kind of agree. Good point in uniting gun owners. My guess is that most modern center fire rifle cartridges will pierce soft body armor. Thus making any 2000fps rifle round a "cop killer" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 14, 2015 ok. they know this ain't gonna fly. so what're they doing that they're using this to keep us distracted from? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted March 14, 2015 ok. they know this ain't gonna fly. so what're they doing that they're using this to keep us distracted from? That is a very good question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,439 Posted March 14, 2015 That is a very good question. Well, NJ is back on the Background Check kick. Perhaps that's a sign of similar action at the national level? Don't see how that could fly with repub-controlled congress though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 177 Posted March 14, 2015 I'm feeling this is a setup for something larger. My libby-senses are tingling and I feel a rifle caliber handgun ban of some sort is being cooked up. After all, this is what they have been using as the premise for the 7n6 and M855 bans. Scores of people have been writing in saying that any rifle caliber gun, handgun or not, is capable of defeating standard soft body armor. I'm just not aware how they would legally proceed on this one without legislation. The best they can do is ban rifle caliber handguns from importation using that ridiculous "non-sporting" clause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 14, 2015 May be this is stepping stone to force legislation. Incidents such as latest Ferguson will be used to further the agenda. "Think of Children" and "Officer Safety" are two things that never fail to deliver. Any one opposing would be labelled as unpatriotic. Or distract us with this and then offer a "more reasonable" regulation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 14, 2015 if i were thinking of officer safety, i'd be issuing them better equipment. why? because i know my laws aren't going to stop the bad guys from getting the shit that is illegal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted March 14, 2015 I predict you are going to see rifle caliber pistols become AOW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 14, 2015 I predict you are going to see rifle caliber pistols become AOW That would make sense if they did it 20 years ago. Today? With LOTS of them about it would be a massive mess for everyone, the ATF included. Heck, they admit they can't even keep track of registered Class III's, imagine adding all "rifle" caliber pistols? I suspect at most they'll carve another "we don't talk about it" class, like pistol gripped shotguns, which legally aren't pistols, they aren't shotguns, and they are over caliber for anything but shotgun, get marked as "other" on paperwork, but no one dares call AOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted March 14, 2015 Correct. Unless they put an "after this date" thing on it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EX Carnival man 223 Posted March 14, 2015 ok. they know this ain't gonna fly. so what're they doing that they're using this to keep us distracted from? That's a great question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted March 15, 2015 That would make sense if they did it 20 years ago. Today? With LOTS of them about it would be a massive mess for everyone, the ATF included. Heck, they admit they can't even keep track of registered Class III's, imagine adding all "rifle" caliber pistols? I suspect at most they'll carve another "we don't talk about it" class, like pistol gripped shotguns, which legally aren't pistols, they aren't shotguns, and they are over caliber for anything but shotgun, get marked as "other" on paperwork, but no one dares call AOW. It could still happen, look at the street sweeper which managed to be sold without NFA tax/restrictions for several years before ATF decided it was NFA and anyone who had one needed to pay the tax/register it? They could easily pass a law making centerfire rifle cal. handguns AOW's or SBR's, look at the 1986 machine gun ban that everyone said would never pass and sure enough it passed with flying colors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted March 15, 2015 If you can't take away the guns you restrict the ammo, this has happened in many countries where it is illegal to possess firearms chambered in "military" or "police" calibers. Go after 223/308/762x39 etc. since banning the rifles isn't feasible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 15, 2015 If you can't take away the guns you restrict the ammo, this has happened in many countries where it is illegal to possess firearms chambered in "military" or "police" calibers. Go after 223/308/762x39 etc. since banning the rifles isn't feasible. Hard argument to make after Heller, specially when the word militia is there. Even Miller acknowledged the military purpose of private ownership. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 15, 2015 If you can't take away the guns you restrict the ammo, this has happened in many countries where it is illegal to possess firearms chambered in "military" or "police" calibers. Go after 223/308/762x39 etc. since banning the rifles isn't feasible. you forgot 30-06 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted March 15, 2015 you forgot 30-06 If they really push for ammo restrictions and start targeting popular calibers what will we do? if they ban M855 you will still be able to buy bags of pulled m855 bullets (same with Chinese steel core) but manufacturing live rounds even for personal use would be illegal. How would the Govt. know? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 16, 2015 If they really push for ammo restrictions and start targeting popular calibers what will we do? if they ban M855 you will still be able to buy bags of pulled m855 bullets (same with Chinese steel core) but manufacturing live rounds even for personal use would be illegal. How would the Govt. know? when they copy other countries, and we suddenly have a law allowing them to come into our homes any time, without warning, without warrant....to inspect our stuff. for the safety of kids ya know......... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 16, 2015 when they copy other countries, and we suddenly have a law allowing them to come into our homes any time, without warning, without warrant....to inspect our stuff. for the safety of kids ya know......... That would break a couple of extra amendments which would make a lot of people nervous in both political parties. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted March 16, 2015 That would break a couple of extra amendments which would make a lot of people nervous in both political parties. that's ok. they don't much seem to care any more........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carcano 14 Posted March 16, 2015 when they copy other countries, and we suddenly have a law allowing them to come into our homes any time, without warning, without warrant....to inspect our stuff. for the safety of kids ya know......... I had the displeasure of living in a country where searches were conducted without a warrant....they would "check" to make sure the gun was still in your possession every so often without warning....same with ammunition, holsters and magazines which had to be papered and the Govt. knew what you had at all times.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted March 17, 2015 I had the displeasure of living in a country where searches were conducted without a warrant....they would "check" to make sure the gun was still in your possession every so often without warning....same with ammunition, holsters and magazines which had to be papered and the Govt. knew what you had at all times....Sounds a lot like NJ. Almost. Coming soon I'm sure... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites