SJG 253 Posted March 18, 2017 So I was at a gun show today in Ft. Lauderdale and one of the vendors had some very unique items on his table. One that caught my attention was a miniature self defense flame thrower that fits in the palm of your hand and is charged with a butane lighter. It can operate like a cigar lighter, however it can also shoot out a flame that is at least two and one-half feet in length and wide enough to cause some serious damage. It is not as thin as a cigarette lighter and has the width of a small bulp of a light bulb. The way it is designed, it can be safely held in your hand without the metal part you hold getting hot. On one charge with a butane canister, you get about 10 flames before you have to charge it. It fits in a jacket pocket and deploying it is leasy. Would this be ok in N.J.? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted March 18, 2017 As far as I know flamethrowers are legal? Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 18, 2017 Sounds awesome what's it called and how much will it cost me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted March 18, 2017 did u pick up any literature about it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 18, 2017 Idk but i wants one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted March 18, 2017 Would this be ok in N.J.? To own and keep in your home as a novelty, or carry around with you? lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted March 19, 2017 Flame throwers are unregulated in NJ. Possession/carrying should be legal AFAIK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 19, 2017 Now we need a link to pest control apparatus of OP Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted March 19, 2017 No literature but I can email the vendor, as I believe he has a video of it he may be willing to share. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 19, 2017 "Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile, ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. -------- If its sold as cigarette lighter, may be. If its sold as "weapon", read above and decide. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bellasdaddy 31 Posted March 19, 2017 Used to do this as a kid with a can of Rite Guard deoderant and a lighter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted March 19, 2017 "Firearm or firearms" means any handgun, rifle, shotgun, machine gun, assault firearm, automatic or semi-automatic rifle, or any gun, device or instrument in the nature of a weapon from which may be fired or ejected any solid projectile, ball, slug, pellet, missile or bullet, or any gas, vapor or other noxious thing, by means of a cartridge or shell or by the action of an explosive or the igniting of flammable or explosive substances. It shall also include, without limitation, any firearm which is in the nature of an air gun, spring gun or pistol or other weapon of a similar nature in which the propelling force is a spring, elastic band, carbon dioxide, compressed or other gas, or vapor, air or compressed air, or is ignited by compressed air, and ejecting a bullet or missile smaller than three-eighths of an inch in diameter, with sufficient force to injure a person. -------- If its sold as cigarette lighter, may be. If its sold as "weapon", read above and decide. Even if it is sold as a cigarette lighter if you use it as a flamethrower it becomes a weapon. The same as its legal to carry around a steel cane until you hit someone in the head with it. At minimum you're looking at being charged with at least aggravated assault unless it's a situation permitting deadly force. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 19, 2017 Portable marshmallow toaster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted March 19, 2017 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.guns/eYTUovDd0eU New Jersey State Police announced the arrest of Albert Foulkes, 69, of Allamuchy, NJ for possession of a destructive device aka a 600lb flamethrower! A spokesman stated that the device was professionly constructed and consisted of a portable generator, a 50 gal air compressor, 2 10 gal fuel tanks containing a mixture of diesel fuel & gasoline connected to a hose with a flint ignitor. It was all mounted on single axle trailer. The device reportedly could project a flame up to 100 feet. Foulkes had printed up flyers offering his device "for terrorist or anti - terrorist purposes" for $10,000. Source: Newark Star Ledger - November 10, 1999. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted March 19, 2017 Portable marshmallow toaster That might work ;(. The prosecutor will show how it works shooting a 2 1/2 foot flame, probably with a video. The judge will charge the jury and tell them they need to decide if they think it's a weapon or...a portable marshmallow toaster. Good luck with that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 19, 2017 I don't want one for self defense I just want it to light bonfires at parties and campfires LOL. I imagine it would be a big hit on 4th of July. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 19, 2017 That might work ;(. The prosecutor will show how it works shooting a 2 1/2 foot flame, probably with a video. The judge will charge the jury and tell them they need to decide if they think it's a weapon or...a portable marshmallow toaster. Good luck with that.Who doesn't like smores? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted March 19, 2017 If I had an extra $1000 I'd pick up the XM42 http://xm42.com Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted March 19, 2017 The A team always built them out of a water heater. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted March 19, 2017 The A team always built them out of a water heater. Yeah but MacGyver only needed a soda bottle. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted March 20, 2017 P to P a flame thrower? The fact that arguably it meets the definition of a firearm (although it is also a cigarette lighter) does not answer the question if its possession per se is permissible. Sure, if you use it for other than self -defense( bona fide, self defense) -you might be charged with a predicate crime and a weapons offense also). But what if you are a mere collector/ The above news story does not give us the outcome. In addition that device was not marketed as a cigarette lighter which could actually function as one. i am told that devices like the XM2 might have a legitimate public safety function--to do a controlled burn of vegetation. To my knowledge, there is no reported NJ case regarding a flame thrower. If you think about it, a butane Bic used to light a barbecue would also meet the definition of a firearm quoted above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 20, 2017 P to P a flame thrower? The fact that arguably it meets the definition of a firearm (although it is also a cigarette lighter) does not answer the question if its possession per se is permissible. Sure, if you use it for other than self -defense( bona fide, self defense) -you might be charged with a predicate crime and a weapons offense also). But what if you are a mere collector/ The above news story does not give us the outcome. In addition that device was not marketed as a cigarette lighter which could actually function as one. i am told that devices like the XM2 might have a legitimate public safety function--to do a controlled burn of vegetation. To my knowledge, there is no reported NJ case regarding a flame thrower. If you think about it, a butane Bic used to light a barbecue would also meet the definition of a firearm quoted above. Not unless the said butane Bic is sold as a "Weapon". As GRIZ pointed out, almost anything "could" be used as a weapon and the user would figure out consequences in the court. But couple of simple questions to ask: * What is its primary function ? * What is it advertised for ? * How is it generally used ? A firearm "could" actually function as a hammer. Doesnt make it a hammer. Nor is it generally used as hammer. If its primary function is cigarette lighter, advertised as such and generally used as such, and I happen to smoke, I would buy one for myself in NJ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted March 24, 2017 Here is the link to it and some very cool stuff www.EngineeredByPOW.com Let's get some feedback about these items! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted March 24, 2017 LOVE their designs, beautiful look. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 24, 2017 Cool stuff and I still want the pen flame thrower but that would be as effective for self defense as a stick of pepperoni. Might scare someone away but it's not going to stop someone who really wants to harm you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The brew guy 22 Posted March 25, 2017 P to P a flame thrower? The fact that arguably it meets the definition of a firearm (although it is also a cigarette lighter) does not answer the question if its possession per se is permissible. Sure, if you use it for other than self -defense( bona fide, self defense) -you might be charged with a predicate crime and a weapons offense also). But what if you are a mere collector/ The above news story does not give us the outcome. In addition that device was not marketed as a cigarette lighter which could actually function as one. i am told that devices like the XM2 might have a legitimate public safety function--to do a controlled burn of vegetation. To my knowledge, there is no reported NJ case regarding a flame thrower. If you think about it, a butane Bic used to light a barbecue would also meet the definition of a firearm quoted above. "Arguably it meets the definition" can be problematic. If I had a lighter that could fire a 9mm round would it be legal to carry it, it's a lighter still, primarily. If that logic works, I'm gonna make a freaking bundle by brazing Zippos to derringers and sellin em all over NJ. Justifiable need is no longer an issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oakridgefirearms 224 Posted March 27, 2017 "Arguably it meets the definition" can be problematic. If I had a lighter that could fire a 9mm round would it be legal to carry it, it's a lighter still, primarily. If that logic works, I'm gonna make a freaking bundle by brazing Zippos to derringers and sellin em all over NJ. Justifiable need is no longer an issue. Firearms that don't look like an obvious firearm are NFA items and require a tax stamp. I've seen guys in PA selling functioning Maglite flashlights that also could fire .22LR or 20 gauge shells. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted March 27, 2017 If I had an extra $1000 I'd pick up the XM42 http://xm42.com Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Gents, I had one. It was fabulous in the snow. Best time was off the boat on the lake on Independence Day. Unfortunately it was lost in a bizarre boating incident out by the canyon. Balloons filled with acetylene are a hoot. Works(ed) as advertised. Pretty good range, about 4 rows deep in a BLM, occupy or anti-trump snowflake protest. Worth every penny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites