ATF Reverses Its Stance On Shouldering Stabilizing Braces

[Krdshrk 2,766]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/04/24/breaking-news-atf-reverses-stance-shouldering-stabilizing-braces/

 

"Saint Petersburg, Fla. (April, 25, 2017) – SB Tactical™, inventors and manufacturers of the Pistol Stabilizing Brace®, is excited to announce that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) has issued SB Tactical a reversal letter containing a sensible clarification of the Bureau’s position on the lawful use of SB Tactical braces.

 

The new clarification of opinion letter states, “an NFA firearm has not necessarily been made when the device is not reconfigured for use as a shoulder stock – even if the attached firearm happens to be fired from the shoulder. To the extent that the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational “use” of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute “redesign,” such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”

[NJGF 375]

I guess elections do have consequences.

[vjf915 455]

Consequences?  Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, this is a good thing.

[Rob0115 1,080]

There are positive consequences.

 

I'm not sure this helps in NJ given anything affected by this is illegal in NJ.

[FXDX 307]

Consequences?  Unless I'm reading this incorrectly, this is a good thing.

 

in case you missed it it is a reference to one of Obama's famous lines

[carl_g 561]

W00t!!

[Krdshrk 2,766]

There are positive consequences.

 

I'm not sure this helps in NJ given anything affected by this is illegal in NJ.

 

Dunno how that covers this thing...

[Rob0115 1,080]

Dunno how that covers this thing...

 

I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front?  Grab it around the mag well?  

[fishnut 2,357]

I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front? Grab it around the mag well?

tactical oven mitt

[Krdshrk 2,766]

I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front?  Grab it around the mag well?  

 

It has a big magwell grip on it now. 

[SuRrEaLNJ 293]

not to be overly negative, but this is where my head went after reading that this morning. haven't they flip flopped or at least changed their stance on pistol braces a few times now? whats to stop them from doing another letter reversing this decision?

[tattooo 220]

That is a fair point....also just about every pistol we would want a brace on is over 50oz....still sucks for us

 

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[Krdshrk 2,766]

That is a fair point....also just about every pistol we would want a brace on is over 50oz....still sucks for us

 

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Manufactured weight... though if you modify it after the fact you can use it...

[Maksim 1,498]

I never got the point of the pistol ARs.

 

Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me.   If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse).

[Krdshrk 2,766]

I never got the point of the pistol ARs.

 

Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me.   If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse).

 

I got a "SBR" without having to get a tax stamp and can do in PRNJ.

 

Also... it's blasty fun.

[Rob0115 1,080]

I never got the point of the pistol ARs.

 

Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me.   If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse).

 

I have a SP5K and it is fantastic to shoot.  I also applied for a tax stamp to SBR it like my Sig Sauer MPX-P 9mm.  

[robot_hell 72]

I never got the point of the pistol ARs.

 

Even at this year's shot there was the HK MP9 pistol clone thingie.... did absolutely nothing for me.   If you want an SBR... just build an SBR... (outside of socialist Jersey ofcourse).

 

I think they make slightly more sense in states where concealed carry is for pistols only. Still not sure why you'd ever want to CC an AR, though.

 

In my state loaded carry of long guns in a vehicle is a legal gray area. I bet people use AR pistols as a workaround for that as well.

[Foxhunter 4]

I got a "SBR" without having to get a tax stamp and can do in PRNJ.

 

Also... it's blasty fun.

Can you tell us how to do it

[Krdshrk 2,766]

Can you tell us how to do it

Extar EXP-556 - the only one that's being produced right now that's NJ Legal.

[tattooo 220]

Manufactured weight... though if you modify it after the fact you can use it...

Oh o.k....thanks

 

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[Walt of Destiny 412]

Interesting development, because it would make this little item legal to shoulder occasionally.

 

https://suarezinternational.com/personal-defense-weapon-kit-for-glocks/

[fishnut 2,357]

Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR?

[Walt of Destiny 412]

Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR?

I would say no since the purpose of the Mauser stock is to shoulder the weapon. The "braces" are primarily designed to be used off the shoulder and against the forearm to stabilize the weapon. Ostensibly for handicapped persons but with benefits to the fully capable as well.

[Malice4you 554]

Semi related question. Is a broom handle mouser with the wood holster attached to the pistol grip to form a stock a SBR?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/if-person-has-pistol-and-attachable-shoulder-stock-does-constitute-possession-nfa

 

 

If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm?  

Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items.

[26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11]

 

I'd do some further research but I remember reading about that when looking up AOW laws

[Krdshrk 2,766]

I think you can dump the mag for a sig brace but how do you handle the front?  Grab it around the mag well?  

 

Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't...

 

[Walt of Destiny 412]

Funny how a small picture could encompass the whole world for many of us.

[Walt of Destiny 412]

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/if-person-has-pistol-and-attachable-shoulder-stock-does-constitute-possession-nfa

 

If a person has a pistol and an attachable shoulder stock, does this constitute possession of an NFA firearm?

 

 

 

 

Yes, unless the barrel of the pistol is at least 16 inches in length (and the overall length of the firearm with stock attached is at least 26 inches). However, certain stocked handguns, such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items.

[26 U.S.C. 5845, 27 CFR 479.11]

 

I'd do some further research but I remember reading about that when looking up AOW laws

I stand corrected. Carry on...

[Rob0115 1,080]

Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't...

 

 

Very cool picture.  

[Zeke 5,496]

Forgot I have a newer pic... with the magwell on... Ignore the other stuff... or don't...

 

knob creek. Very justified

[DeerSlayer 241]

Wasn't there at one time another jersey legal AR pistol with a buffer tube? Carbon 15? That you could now put a sig brace on, correct?

 

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