Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted January 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said: I don't have much of an issue with it either with one proviso - The LEO must not freak out and treat you as a threat just because you are legally armed. If anything, it should allow him/her to adopt a more relaxed posture as it is highly unlikely that a legal carrier is going to do anything dumb. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. It should definitely not be an excuse to disarm the person and run the gun's serial number on a fishing expedition for a collar. I haven’t had any LEO interaction while being armed, but the local officers I know have told me that they do tend to look favorably on those who have a LTC. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,750 Posted January 1, 2023 43 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted January 1, 2023 45 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said: I haven’t had any LEO interaction while being armed, but the local officers I know have told me that they do tend to look favorably on those who have a LTC. I did when I was on patrol. I didn’t run into too many however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
revenger 473 Posted January 1, 2023 Any training requirement should include training for 911 dispatchers and every compensated responder. 911 dispatchers on how to identify a "karen" call vs. an active incident and cops that "citizens" are allowed to have guns on them. an official "read and initial" type of form for each to sign and keep in their files that were trained and understand the constitution and laws. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted January 1, 2023 14 hours ago, JohnnyB said: Right! They broke the law by carrying a handgun without a permit. That was a crime. The add on charges were standard capacity magazines and hollow points. If they had not committed a crime, no large cap or hollow point charges would have ever happened! FIFY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted January 1, 2023 Curious of any LEOs opinions on the new bill, and wether they intend to enforce. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted January 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mike77 said: Curious of any LEOs opinions on the new bill, and wether they intend to enforce. We will never know and it will depend on the circumstances. A lot will pretend not to see something, while others will be forced to act because they can’t pretend not to have seen something due to body cams , a Karen pointing to it , etc. And some will tend to enforce it . That’s why it’s important to get the law changed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted January 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Walkinguf61 said: Technically a premises permit is a carry permit . And NYC often issues premises permits with a “ green “ card saying the person can carry the gun while hunting . The premises license is also green. They are all possession licenses and technically the premises and target/sport is a restriction. 1 hour ago, Walkinguf61 said: We will never know and it will depend on the circumstances. A lot will pretend not to see something, while others will be forced to act because they can’t pretend not to have seen something due to body cams , a Karen pointing to it , etc. And some will tend to enforce it . That’s why it’s important to get the law changed. And let's not forget that there are MANY who think that ONLY the police should have guns. Especially the higher ups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted January 1, 2023 17 hours ago, JohnnyB said: How many cases of someone being charged for stopping at a restaurant while on the way to a range. Not the range, but there is a woman who was stopped and arrested with an unloaded gun in her trunk going from Pennsylvania to her second house in NJ. She stopped to text her girlfriend (i.e. obey the law) and the cop pulled up behind her, spotted a loose round in the car and then got arrested. Quote For possession of a hollow point round in his car. The woman above and also Brian Aitken. Quote Possession of a 15 round mag where no other crime was committed, etc, etc. You don't! Because it does not happen! But we live in fear of being the first! A member here got caught with a large capacity mag. The cops did nothing to him! The problem is if you ever have to use it, it will go from being a clean, self defense shoot to a gun crime. This guy had multiple issues: https://www.silive.com/crime-safety/2022/12/gun-nj-transit-driver-from-si-used-to-shoot-teen-had-extended-clip-authorities-allege-records-show-old-arrests-on-si.html But the shoot itself was not the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted January 1, 2023 17 hours ago, JohnnyB said: If you are carrying concealed with the proper handgun, holster and clothing, you won't print so Karen will never know you are armed! Law enforcement has training to spot concealed guns. The NYPD's training is quite comprehensive. I've seen it. In the era of stop and frisk some were very skilled at spotting weapons. And some would stop and frisk you anyway even if all they had was a "hunch." Personally I don't want to have to walk around worrying about whether the cops will see me if I reach for something on a shelf and my shirt lifts and exposes the gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b47356 21 Posted January 1, 2023 13 hours ago, Walkinguf61 said: Just give a little more hope What is amazing about a case being considered in conference? They all get considered. Over 99% of them get rejected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted January 1, 2023 23 hours ago, Mr.Stu said: Are you talking about the new NJ safety course that has yet to be defined by the Superintendent of NJSP? The instructors and range also need to be approved by the Superintendent. How is it possible that Pine Tree Rifle Club has advance knowledge and approval before anyone else has heard a word from the Superintendent? That's the NY requirement. The NY State police developed the standard after the passing of their carry killer bill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucin 923 Posted January 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Oakridgefirearms said: Doesn't NY also have a "Premises Permit" ? I believe that was only for NY city.. It's been 10 years since I received my NY permit and can't recall if premises was on the application. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, RadioGunner said: Law enforcement has training to spot concealed guns. The NYPD's training is quite comprehensive. I've seen it. In the era of stop and frisk some were very skilled at spotting weapons. And some would stop and frisk you anyway even if all they had was a "hunch." Personally I don't want to have to walk around worrying about whether the cops will see me if I reach for something on a shelf and my shirt lifts and exposes the gun. People were shocked how I knew they had a gun or knife on them and where they had it without frisking them. It’s a perishable skill. But a few months ago, a retired cop friend of mine and I went out to dinner. He tapped me exactly where I was carrying a small 380. It’s a skill that we develop. But I have also missed things too. 1 minute ago, brucin said: I believe that was only for NY city.. It's been 10 years since I received my NY permit and can't recall if premises was on the application. It was before the CCIA changes . I don’t know about now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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RadioGunner 218 Posted January 1, 2023 2 hours ago, b47356 said: What is amazing about a case being considered in conference? They all get considered. Over 99% of them get rejected. YouTube is such trash clickbait these days Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted January 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, RadioGunner said: YouTube is such trash clickbait these days You know how many "Breaking 2A News" clips pop up in my feed daily?? Too Many! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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RadioGunner 218 Posted January 1, 2023 17 minutes ago, samiam said: Fear is the one and only effective weapon that an authoritarian government possesses. There is no way that such a government can apprehend and imprison, or murder, all those involved in large scale disobedience of authoritarian edicts. That is why civil disobedience was such a potent strategy in the civil rights movements of the 1960s. You would have to have mass disobedience for it to be effective. And we know at least a few, and I suspect more than a few cops will enforce. Probably to bump up their arrest numbers so they can cite it in promotions and performance reviews. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted January 1, 2023 39 minutes ago, samiam said: Are you claiming that an effective armed defense against tyranny can be conducted from withint the four walls of your home? I find that premise extremely dubious. And the argument is about "carry", period. "Concealed carry" vs. "carry" is a distinction created by our wonderful government. No. Open and concealed carry have been seen as historically different. Open carry was seen as fair warning in some places where concealed carry was seen as dubious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted January 1, 2023 5 hours ago, revenger said: Any training requirement should include training for 911 dispatchers and every compensated responder. 911 dispatchers on how to identify a "karen" call vs. an active incident and cops that "citizens" are allowed to have guns on them. an official "read and initial" type of form for each to sign and keep in their files that were trained and understand the constitution and laws. And who makes the news? The person who treats the Karen call as real or the 911 operator who treats a Karen call as such and turns out to be wrong ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted January 2, 2023 2 hours ago, RadioGunner said: YouTube is such trash clickbait these days That guy, specifically, always has clickbait videos. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted January 3, 2023 Isnt there a Jan 3 hearing somewhere today? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted January 3, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mike77 said: Isnt there a Jan 3 hearing somewhere today? Doesn't look like it: Live Proceedings | NJ Legislature (state.nj.us) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted January 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: Doesn't look like it: Live Proceedings | NJ Legislature (state.nj.us) Ok thx. Thought GFH said 1 of the groups was today, and others the 5th. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fring Spield 1 Posted January 3, 2023 The hearing wouldn't involve the NJ Legislature anyway. The relevant hearing would be in Federal District Court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,922 Posted January 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, Mike77 said: Isnt there a Jan 3 hearing somewhere today? I think today is the due date for NY to explain to Sotomayor why the 2nd Circuit's stay on the TRO should stand. I'm not sure if there is a hearing for that. I think the plaintiff's response to the NJ AG's brief from Friday for the SAF/FPC/CNJFO/NJ2AS TRO request is also due today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted January 3, 2023 44 minutes ago, Mr.Stu said: I think today is the due date for NY to explain to Sotomayor why the 2nd Circuit's stay on the TRO should stand. I'm not sure if there is a hearing for that. I think the plaintiff's response to the NJ AG's brief from Friday for the SAF/FPC/CNJFO/NJ2AS TRO request is also due today. NJ submitted their response on 12/30. The hearing for Injunction is scheduled for Jan 5th. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted January 3, 2023 Don’t expect it until this afternoon. A common strategic tactic is to save it until the last minute to not allow your opponent time to respond. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites