TCinJ 7 Posted February 4, 2012 The sad truth is that sometimes people that succeed (whether it be business, sports, etc.) are aszholes. It doesn't take away from their accomplishments, but I guess we'd like to think that the people who make the products we love, the TV shows we laugh about, and the professional sports we enjoy are all really nice folks. Take Steve Jobs from Apple. He was a ruthless businessman and marketeer - not a visionary. He wasn't a very nice guy, either. I bet the millions of Apple fanboys don't care. And for some, as long as it works well and they like it, they don't care if it came from the bowels of h3ll. I've never heard of Ed Brown guns. I'm sure he doesn't care. If he really is doucherocket, I hope his business suffers because of it. He isn't Ruger, he's a small custom gunsmith. He's a big fish in a little custom pond. When his sales eclipse Sig, then he can be a doucherocket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted February 4, 2012 Apples to oranges. The whinterviewer didn't go to Ed Brown's establishment, he went to the Shot Show -- a place companies pay good money for rental space to promote their business and products. Ed Brown being the face of his business should have left his arrogance at home instead of treating many people with an attitude that may hurt his business. It defeats the purpose of him being there. You are making the mistake of thinking they have the same goals and purpose that you have in your head. At $7000 for some of his handguns he is not selling these to everyone. So he didn't want to deal with some of the people, big deal. Just because a few people feel he was rude (these are the type of people that go whine on the internet the most) doesn't mean he didn't talk to some of the people that his company needed him to talk to. Shotshow is a dealers convention, not a public one. You are either a dealer or have a press pass. Now a days anyone with a website can get press credentials, so excuse him if he doesn't know every single one of them or who knows maybe he knows and doesn't want to be on his webshow because he doesn't like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted February 4, 2012 Ed is a typical old-school pragmatic engineer type, who probably doesn't suffer fools gladly. His reputation proceeds him. http://www.edbrown.com/about.htm Maybe Ed needs to produce some similar videos like this fellow Tom to redeem himself after bruising his ego. How he could ever top these two is beyond my comprehension. http://www.youtube.c...187/656CbWpy9JQ http://www.youtube.c...114/to3hjQv4UeI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 I agree with Maks 100%, it's friggen shot show! If he didn't want to do the interview have one of his employee's do it instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted February 4, 2012 Betting you dollars to doughnuts that Ed Brown will still sell every gun he makes and at an insane premium. If I asked you why are you buying one of this guns will the answer be "Cause they are great guns." or "Because I want a old man to cuddle me and tell me how awesome my web channel is". Guys you need some perpsective, Shot Show used to be a "old fashioned press", dealers, and distributors only. Now anyone can get a "press" tag and the thing might as well be open to the public. Ed Brown didn't go there to shmooze the customers or some youtube's exhibitionist need for self promotion. He went there to let his distributors know what guns he is offering. You do NOT rent a booth at shot show to meet with your customers, you rent a booth because you want to talk to the guys selling to your customers. Just because a guy with a camera is butthurt over how he was treated buy a gunsmith it doesn't really mean he won't sell every gun he makes. He doesn't need to sell 10000 guns to 10000 people at small margins, he sells 100 guns to 100 people at huge margins. The internet is wonderful, but get over it, it isn't what makes his buinsess, and likely it won't be what breaks his business. Hell, his refusal to talk with a funny looking guy with a camera who gives me personally every bad vibe there is, wont stop me from buying Ed Brown parts for my guns, I have in the past, they served me well, and thats all I care about. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCinJ 7 Posted February 4, 2012 IMO, regardless whether this "weapons education" guy is a weenie or not, Ed Brown should have sucked it up and did a three minute interview to pimp his products instead of having the guy whine about how rude he is. It should have gone more like this: 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted February 4, 2012 IMO, regardless whether this "weapons education" guy is a weenie or not, Ed Brown should have sucked it up and did a three minute interview to pimp his products instead of having the guy whine about how rude he is. Why? Most of the people watching that guy's video will never spend the money to buy one of his guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anselmo 87 Posted February 4, 2012 Les Baer did a nice interview with the fanboy guy. When you spend big, big bucks on a handgun, you're not just buying a pretty gun that goes bang when you pull the trigger. You are buying a certain brand mystique. Just like my wife wanting to buy a Louie Vitton handbag. Other gun/purses do the same thing and look just as nice but they don't have the brand status; they don't rise to works of art. That artistic value is diluted if the guy's name on the merchandise is a jerk. Whereas, being able to shake hands and chat with an artist/craftsman like Les Baer increases my desirability for his work. And ShotShow is not open to the general public, it's supposed to only allow in those in the gun industry. If you can't be nice to them then why go to the show? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted February 4, 2012 This guy is looking to make money on the back of Ed Brown. He didn't want to do a video to "promote" Ed Brown, he wanted to do the video to promote and shill for himself. It is awfully self-evident to me. This guy Tom is nothing more than a Leech that has some money for nice toys. And his big web site is a whole year old, big deal! Not for nuthin, but I wish to applaud Ed Brown for blowing this guy off! Tom will surely go blue in the face waiting for his apology, and righfully so IMHO! I've been around a lot longer than most of the members of this forum. If I put a video camera in my hands and get a press pass to the Shot Show does that make me an expert or a video tycoon or a "force to be reckoned with"? Give me a F-ing break! All this clip means to me is that Mr. Brown has the unique ability to smell a turd from a mile away........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCinJ 7 Posted February 4, 2012 Why? Most of the people watching that guy's video will never spend the money to buy one of his guns. Why? I'd rather leave a legacy of being a nice guy that made a great product than an aszhole that made a great product any day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 This guy is looking to make money on the back of Ed Brown. He didn't want to do a video to "promote" Ed Brown, he wanted to do the video to promote and shill for himself. It is awfully self-evident to me. This guy Tom is nothing more than a Leech that has some money for nice toys. And his big web site is a whole year old, big deal! Not for nuthin, but I wish to applaud Ed Brown for blowing this guy off! Tom will surely go blue in the face waiting for his apology, and righfully so IMHO! I've been around a lot longer than most of the members of this forum. If I put a video camera in my hands and get a press pass to the Shot Show does that make me an expert or a video tycoon or a "force to be reckoned with"? Give me a F-ing break! All this clip means to me is that Mr. Brown has the unique ability to smell a turd from a mile away........ I understand Dave, but his booth was empty. Which tells me he's there "just to show his face" and no more. He could've hired or brought with him some representatives to handle this guy and others for this event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted February 4, 2012 I understand Dave, but his booth was empty. Which tells me he's there "just to show his face" and no more. He could've hired or brought with him some representatives to handle this guy and others for this event. Yeah! You should write him an e-mail as people love when random people tell them how to run their company! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 Yeah! You should right him an e-mail as people love when random people tell them how to run their company! Isn't that what all the others do there? I bet Henry Repeating Arms had some Representatives there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted February 4, 2012 How much do you want to bet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted February 4, 2012 Why? I'd rather leave a legacy of being a nice guy that made a great product than an aszhole that made a great product any day. Maybe, but he wants to leave a legacy of being a great gunsmiths, all consideration secondary. History doesn't remember the nice guys, it remembers the great ones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 How much do you want to bet? Oops Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted February 4, 2012 If I spend that amount of coin on a gun it better be a damn fine gun. Also customer service better be excellent. If I have those two I cold care less if the owner is a doucher. I just care about the gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted February 4, 2012 Betting you dollars to doughnuts that Ed Brown will still sell every gun he makes and at an insane premium. If I asked you why are you buying one of this guns will the answer be "Cause they are great guns." or "Because I want a old man to cuddle me and tell me how awesome my web channel is". Guys you need some perpsective, Shot Show used to be a "old fashioned press", dealers, and distributors only. Now anyone can get a "press" tag and the thing might as well be open to the public. Ed Brown didn't go there to shmooze the customers or some youtube's exhibitionist need for self promotion. He went there to let his distributors know what guns he is offering. You do NOT rent a booth at shot show to meet with your customers, you rent a booth because you want to talk to the guys selling to your customers. Just because a guy with a camera is butthurt over how he was treated buy a gunsmith it doesn't really mean he won't sell every gun he makes. He doesn't need to sell 10000 guns to 10000 people at small margins, he sells 100 guns to 100 people at huge margins. The internet is wonderful, but get over it, it isn't what makes his buinsess, and likely it won't be what breaks his business. Hell, his refusal to talk with a funny looking guy with a camera who gives me personally every bad vibe there is, wont stop me from buying Ed Brown parts for my guns, I have in the past, they served me well, and thats all I care about. +1! Vlad, I almost peed my pants I laughed so hard! You said what I was trying to and are so much more eloquent than Moi, lol! The "Kids" on the forum live & die by the internet, thinking that the Sun rises & falls because of it and probably use a text message to talk with a loved one in the same f-ing room! Meanwhile, back in the real world, guys like Ed Brown pay real money to produce those beautiful 4-color hand-outs & brochures that his dealers probably PAY HIM FOR! And those same dealers probably pre-qualify who they hand them out to! Ed Brown users LOVE the beautiful Brochure Porn! Ed Brown does the Brochures because THEY WORK FOR HIM! The niche market that buys Ed Brown doesn't need the internet to order something. They're still comfortable with that little invention from Alexander Graham Bell! Ed Brown will sell his guns year(s) in advance and continue to do so no matter how many internet wheenie's get their tighty-whitey's in a twist. Or produce a boring video making themselves look like such a schmuck, that guys like me who never thought of buying Ed Brown, will suddenly clamor to obtain one. So here it is: IF I ever buy another .45 (I have 3 or 4 already) it will be Ed Brown, JUST BECAUSE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted February 4, 2012 . Just like my wife wanting to buy a Louie Vitton handbag. Other gun/purses do the same thing and look just as nice but they don't have the brand status; they don't rise to works of art. That artistic value is diluted if the guy's name on the merchandise is a jerk. Lets try this experiment .. next fashion show have your wife get a press badge for making youtube reviews of fashion accessories, then ask your wife to walk up to the head designer of LV and ask for 5min. Odds are he/she/it will say no. I'll bet when she posts a video on the internet about how rude the LV designer was, they'll still be fine and sell what they want to sell. Nothing against your wife btw, just using this as an example, a thought experiment if you will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 Yeah, i'm not seeing Ed Brown losing any money at all on this. If you make some of the best guns in the world nobody really cares that your an old fudd. The guns run! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
reloaderguy 30 Posted February 4, 2012 It appears from the posts on some of the other boards that some other people that went to Shot had the same experience with Brown behaving like a dick and they were not media people. I will not buy products from someone who has an attitude toward the gun public as he does! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted February 4, 2012 It is not the gun PUBLIC. Shot show is explicitly closed to the public. Not everyone there thrives on rolling on the ground with his products like Costa for the random internet videos. If you are unhappy that the guy is a grumpy fellow, then don't buy his products, pleanty others will when what they care about is some bit of metal that works. I'll tell you this much, there are a couple hundred dollars worth of his metal in my 1911 and they've served me well through a few seasons of USPSA shooting. Would buy again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 4, 2012 It is not the gun PUBLIC. Shot show is explicitly closed to the public. Not everyone there thrives on rolling on the ground with his products like Costa for the random internet videos. If you are unhappy that the guy is a grumpy fellow, then don't buy his products, pleanty others will when what they care about is some bit of metal that works. I'll tell you this much, there are a couple hundred dollars worth of his metal in my 1911 and they've served me well through a few seasons of USPSA shooting. Would buy again. It's a sales pitch, and he failed. But his products sell themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpecialK 193 Posted February 4, 2012 I had a thought (yeah they still happen from time to time). Gun buyers often feel every guns fall into the same category of buyer because they are all sold at the same place. If they didn't have to be sold at a FFL Would the higher end sell at high end shops like Bloomingdales and the lower end stuff at Walmart? The firearms market is seriously disfigured by all the restrictions put on the sale of them. Not saying that we need to revamp everything or not, just saying it's something to think about when you are getting pissy about a dealer or manufacture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted February 4, 2012 It is not the gun PUBLIC. Shot show is explicitly closed to the public. Not everyone there thrives on rolling on the ground with his products like Costa for the random internet videos. If you are unhappy that the guy is a grumpy fellow, then don't buy his products, pleanty others will when what they care about is some bit of metal that works. I'll tell you this much, there are a couple hundred dollars worth of his metal in my 1911 and they've served me well through a few seasons of USPSA shooting. Would buy again. I agree, if you don't like it don't buy one. I'm in the market for a 1911, and with so many good choices out there you start to look at how a company handles it's business and customers, or potential customers. After seeing how rude this guy really seems to be, with so many accounts of his rude behavior it is hard for me to even consider an ed brown anymore. I can buy another 1911 that is just as good from someone who appreciates my business, and i will do so. I would not demand an apology that is just ridiculous, take your bruised ego, and spend your money else where. Personally, i think his pistols are a bit over priced to begin with. To say he wont loose money is not true, i was pretty set on buying an ed brown and no longer want to give my money to someone who doesn't appreciate my business. He may continue to sell out year after year, but that doesn't mean he isn't loosing business. Also in regards to your previous post: Does Ed brown really have distributors? I thought he sold directly to his customers for the most part? as in you place an order with him and he makes you what you want. I have never seen a legit production ed brown 1911 that is distributed to the masses.people are claiming the booth was rather empty and whats the point in showcasing merchandise that distributes cannot buy. He shouldn't be at shotshow by those standards alone unless im leaving out some details... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted February 4, 2012 Why? Most of the people watching that guy's video will never spend the money to buy one of his guns. That didn't stop guys like Ronnie Barret or John Paul from talking to Nutnfancy. That didn't stop Les Baer from talking to weaponseducation. Plenty of "high dollar" people spend a couple minutes talking to the guys from youtube even though the chances are pretty slim that the youtubers that watch the videos will ever buy their products. That said, this "weaponseducation" guy makes me appreciate Nutnfancy just a little bit more Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted February 4, 2012 Les Baer did a nice interview with the fanboy guy. When you spend big, big bucks on a handgun, you're not just buying a pretty gun that goes bang when you pull the trigger. You are buying a certain brand mystique. Just like my wife wanting to buy a Louie Vitton handbag. Other gun/purses do the same thing and look just as nice but they don't have the brand status; they don't rise to works of art. That artistic value is diluted if the guy's name on the merchandise is a jerk. Whereas, being able to shake hands and chat with an artist/craftsman like Les Baer increases my desirability for his work. And ShotShow is not open to the general public, it's supposed to only allow in those in the gun industry. If you can't be nice to them then why go to the show? because..and No offense to OUR people who went to Shot..Anybody with a $50.00 camera can make a Videoblog on Youtube and get a Media Pass. Mark Larue has a rep for not being the nicest guy out there..but the wuality of his products and the Customer service to his Customers outweigh his acerbic personality any day. Sorry but this guy came off like a teenaged Girl who got stood up by the Football Captain and is now out to make him Pay. Buy Brown's Stuff or don't..Me? I Use his parts and will continue to do so, because if i have an issue or a problem, they make it right. NOW, if he made Crappy products (Like some "Speshul" guys), or had crappy/nonexistant customer service/delivery (Like some JACkoffs out there), then his being an a-hole might make a difference..i know people who will probably go to Brown for their next 1911 BECAUSE of the way this You-Dude was whining. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sixtytwo327 14 Posted February 4, 2012 Yeah, I've gotta call BS on this Weapons Education guy. I’ve heard of Ed Brown, but I've never heard of “Weapons Education” before… so who is promoting whom, exactly? Maybe Ed Brown was/is a jerk, but so what? I'll take a good gun sold by an @$$ over a lemon sold by a silver-tongue salesman any day. So this guy bought some expensive guns; what does he want, dinner and a movie? It's also pretty self-aggrandizing and arrogant (and insulting) to tell an industry figure, "I sold some guns for you, so you need to talk to me." What a disgusting sense of entitlement. Finally, you do NOT get an interview by asking the interviewee to do an interview, then say you have a "Media Pass" so you're "allowed to film." These Internet blogger guys think that because they have a video camera and a YouTube account, they're the next H.L. Mencken. No - do your background research, introduce yourself and roll right into a knowledgeable question. Show subjects respect and don't waste their time. Be polite but persistent, and don't cry like a little girl if someone slams a door in your face. If you do these things, even difficult subjects will (eventually) talk. I did it for a few years, and I can tell you, it's a hell of a lot of hard work to prepare for a single interview, let alone an industry show... but hey, welcome to life as a journalist. Looks so easy on TV, right? Allright, rant over. Carry on. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2Alpha 6 Posted February 4, 2012 If you are in the market and have the means for an Ed Brown, you aren't going to care what this whiney little **** says, nor would there be any value to his opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
