Online poker...

[ogfarmer 138]

888 and wsop both have apps

[Newtonian 453]

I love poker. REAL poker. Dealer's choice. Human beings playing across from one another.

 

IMO Texas Hold' 'Em is a sucker's game. It's almost pure gambling, especially in the last 50% of rounds in a tournament. And any casino poker game is a sucker's game unless you're very lucky. 

 

(If you want to hear the story of my fantastic luck, let me know).

 

If you want to make $$ at poker learn to play the game, learn the odds, read a goddamned book, and find some suckers in your neck of the woods. Otherwise, 99.9999999999% of you will lose money. Don't waste your time, your lives, or your livelihoods.

 

Casino games (and online games) are stacked against you. Don't be an asshole and ruin your life.

[iCARRY 0]

Wow Newtonian, tell me how you really feel.

[10X 3,301]

They all ask for your SS it is required for identification purposes

 

I like poker as much as the next guy, but there is no way on earth I'm going to give my social security number to a gaming website hosted God-knows-where by God-knows who.

[almiz111 26]

Whoa! Whoa! Don't know what's really itching him but here is what itches me.

 

I did read a book, Studied the odds a bit. But it's just a bit of fun for pennies, dimes, mebbee a couple of bucks. Aint gonna ruin my life.

 

Read my lips: JUST A BIT OF FUN.  And duh, casinos are in the business of making money by setting the odds in their favor. Don't like that? Go play tennis. Shoot some bullets. Kill a deer.

 

And another WOW. LOL.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

I love poker. REAL poker. Dealer's choice. Human beings playing across from one another.

 

IMO Texas Hold' 'Em is a sucker's game. It's almost pure gambling, especially in the last 50% of rounds in a tournament. And any casino poker game is a sucker's game unless you're very lucky.

 

(If you want to hear the story of my fantastic luck, let me know).

 

If you want to make $$ at poker learn to play the game, learn the odds, read a goddamned book, and find some suckers in your neck of the woods. Otherwise, 99.9999999999% of you will lose money. Don't waste your time, your lives, or your livelihoods.

 

Casino games (and online games) are stacked against you. Don't be an asshole and ruin your life.

Lol

 

Is there luck involved? Yes of corse always is. Is there skill involved? You bet.

Don't like tournament play? Play cash. This post made me scratch my head. Sounds like you read a book or 2 on poker? So what poker games do you play then? Since obviously hold em isn't your cup of tea. Someone suck out on you too many times?

[Newtonian 453]

Lol

 

Is there luck involved? Yes of corse always is. Is there skill involved? You bet.

Don't like tournament play? Play cash. This post made me scratch my head. Sounds like you read a book or 2 on poker? So what poker games do you play then? Since obviously hold em isn't your cup of tea. Someone suck out on you too many times?

I played poker in college at least 400 times. We played dealer's choice, quarter/half, 3 raises. That was the early '70s.

 

I know that sounds like a pussy game to all you card slingers, but that's how poker was played until 12-13 years ago, when Texas Hold' Em became synonymous with "poker," when it invaded the TV (read: that great slimy central nervous system that brainwashes almost everybody). 

 

The problem with tournament style hold'em is the hands become more valuable as the game progresses. You can win 5 pots early on, but lose one later on and you're out. In that style of game bluffing becomes more valuable than card reading. Longevity and tenaciousness have little value. It's a TV game. 

 

The last time I was in a poker room was in Niagara Falls about 7 years ago. The casino was 100 feet from our hotel room. I walked in and there were two five card stud tables, with very long waiting lines. Every other table was Hold 'Em. Also very long lines.

 

I looked around, and saw all those suckers plunking down $5 and $10 chips, $20 and $40 blinds, disregarding the rake. That told me it was a sucker's game. All those guys with the sunglasses and visors, with their lucky charms by their sides. Everybody eager to punish "string" bets. 

 

C'mon.

[Mikeythumbs 1]

Any game as it gets short handed the starting hand values go up and if not for the increasing blind format a tourney would take forever. Yes there is luck involved in tourney poker but there is luck involved in live games also. The rake at the lower limit games is tough to beat that is why lost people that play for a living play higher limit. That is also why the low limit games are rock city a lot of the time because the more hands you play the more the rake affects you making it harder to beat. I not saying many of the people that play all the time are going to make their living doing it (not sayinh I could either) but at least it you have a better chance of coming out ahead from a night of play then any other game in the house.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

You fail to realize all that bluffing and playing the players and cards in the board rather than your own cards requires some skill. At least if you want to be profitable.

[gleninjersey 2,141]

I love poker. REAL poker. Dealer's choice. Human beings playing across from one another.

 

IMO Texas Hold' 'Em is a sucker's game. It's almost pure gambling, especially in the last 50% of rounds in a tournament. And any casino poker game is a sucker's game unless you're very lucky.

 

(If you want to hear the story of my fantastic luck, let me know).

 

If you want to make $$ at poker learn to play the game, learn the odds, read a goddamned book, and find some suckers in your neck of the woods. Otherwise, 99.9999999999% of you will lose money. Don't waste your time, your lives, or your livelihoods.

 

Casino games (and online games) are stacked against you. Don't be an assholeu and ruin your life.

Wow...sounds like somebody had/has a gambling problem or at the very least can't handle a few bad beats. Many people would say the same about shooting. Why blow all that money on guns and (especially) ammo!

 

If it is not your cup of tea, don't play. Pretty absurd to come on here and blasts everyone who enjoys it.

[Newtonian 453]

Wow...sounds like somebody had/has a gambling problem or at the very least can't handle a few bad beats. Many people would say the same about shooting. Why blow all that money on guns and (especially) ammo!

 

If it is not your cup of tea, don't play. Pretty absurd to come on here and blasts everyone who enjoys it.

I've been inside casinos a total of nine times in my entire life; three of those times were during a single weekend a chess tournament held at Foxwoods about 15 years ago. The Niagara experience I related was the second-to-last time I set foot in a casino. The last time was about 3 years ago, when I visited that joint out in PA. I lost $2 in the machines

 

I played in a free bar game for about a year and a half, but free poker is like kissing your own sister.

 

I've studied poker extensively, and did very well (for the times and my income) between ages 18 and 25. During those college (and beyond) games I of course had some very bad nights, but nothing that broke the bank. If I lost my $30 stake I would leave. I've never had what anyone would term as a "gambling problem."

 

I enjoyed poker before the Hold-'Em craze because, frankly, I did not consider it gambling. A game with limited raises and bets is the ultimate because you know your odds range at every juncture. If you enjoy quickly calculating odds, and you're somewhat decent at remembering cards (I'm a bridge player), you can make pretty good money in almost any game. 

 

The "cone of uncertainty" is magnified many-fold in tournament-style poker. You call a bet and, where your potential liability may have been $12 or $72 in traditional games, depending on the stakes, it can now be $1200 or $15,000. Bluffing, a part of the game I cherish, is reduced to pure, unadulterated, uncalculated bullying. Since players are not 100% using real money, but the fraction of their stake that their chip holding represents, they tend to be reckless. 

 

All these factors, in addition to rising blinds, contribute to the element of chance in tournament-style poker and diminish the impact of skill. This is not just my opinion, it is a scientific fact. And anyone, anyone will tell you that when you play in a casino the rake will always, inevitably bankrupt you.

 

Maybe I was too adamant about my feelings on that bastard child of TV marketing, Texas Hold 'Em. Sorry about that. I was not putting down anyone who enjoys Hold 'Em tournaments. They are a lot of fun. They're just not for me, for the reasons given.

 

No comparison whatsoever to shooting, btw. I never heard of someone losing the rent money because he went through a case of .45s at Cherry Ridge.

[ogfarmer 138]

[DSD1026 48]

been to AC once in my life (before i lived here), never been to Vegas..  i dont gamble, i dont have enough money to lose on it..  but if you enjoy it, by all means do it.. never played poker in my life, even as a friendly game..

[checko 180]

Plenty strategy in hold em. If you don't think so, you may not have a strong grasp on the game.

 

I still don't like to play online though. Takes out a necessary dynamic for me.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

I've been inside casinos a total of nine times in my entire life; three of those times were during a single weekend a chess tournament held at Foxwoods about 15 years ago. The Niagara experience I related was the second-to-last time I set foot in a casino. The last time was about 3 years ago, when I visited that joint out in PA. I lost $2 in the machines

 

I played in a free bar game for about a year and a half, but free poker is like kissing your own sister.

 

I've studied poker extensively, and did very well (for the times and my income) between ages 18 and 25. During those college (and beyond) games I of course had some very bad nights, but nothing that broke the bank. If I lost my $30 stake I would leave. I've never had what anyone would term as a "gambling problem."

 

I enjoyed poker before the Hold-'Em craze because, frankly, I did not consider it gambling. A game with limited raises and bets is the ultimate because you know your odds range at every juncture. If you enjoy quickly calculating odds, and you're somewhat decent at remembering cards (I'm a bridge player), you can make pretty good money in almost any game. 

 

The "cone of uncertainty" is magnified many-fold in tournament-style poker. You call a bet and, where your potential liability may have been $12 or $72 in traditional games, depending on the stakes, it can now be $1200 or $15,000. Bluffing, a part of the game I cherish, is reduced to pure, unadulterated, uncalculated bullying. Since players are not 100% using real money, but the fraction of their stake that their chip holding represents, they tend to be reckless. 

 

All these factors, in addition to rising blinds, contribute to the element of chance in tournament-style poker and diminish the impact of skill. This is not just my opinion, it is a scientific fact. And anyone, anyone will tell you that when you play in a casino the rake will always, inevitably bankrupt you.

 

Maybe I was too adamant about my feelings on that bastard child of TV marketing, Texas Hold 'Em. Sorry about that. I was not putting down anyone who enjoys Hold 'Em tournaments. They are a lot of fun. They're just not for me, for the reasons given.

 

No comparison whatsoever to shooting, btw. I never heard of someone losing the rent money because he went through a case of .45s at Cherry Ridge.

 

See I dont really ENJOY tournament style hold em as much as cash games.  And LIMIT poker is WAYYYY too limited for me.  I can calculate odds just as well playing No limit.  Just takes a little more time and knowledge.  In LIMIT poker IMO you are more or less playing with luck rather than skill.  I always felt that people would chase more because you couldnt price them out of a pot.  No Limit requires WAY more skill and knowledge of the game.  Its just that much more complex.

 

 

Plenty strategy in hold em. If you don't think so, you may not have a strong grasp on the game.

 

I still don't like to play online though. Takes out a necessary dynamic for me.

Like reading players?  I def feel the same.  WHen I used to play online i would just play the cards and the board and not really try to learn the players.  This time around Im taking notes on each player I play with.  Yeah I cannot look at them for tells, but at least I have notes on their player style and such.  But yeah, there is nothing like playing in a brick and mortar casino!

[Newtonian 453]

See I dont really ENJOY tournament style hold em as much as cash games.  And LIMIT poker is WAYYYY too limited for me.  I can calculate odds just as well playing No limit.  Just takes a little more time and knowledge.  In LIMIT poker IMO you are more or less playing with luck rather than skill.  I always felt that people would chase more because you couldnt price them out of a pot.  No Limit requires WAY more skill and knowledge of the game.  Its just that much more complex.

 

 

Like reading players?  I def feel the same.  WHen I used to play online i would just play the cards and the board and not really try to learn the players.  This time around Im taking notes on each player I play with.  Yeah I cannot look at them for tells, but at least I have notes on their player style and such.  But yeah, there is nothing like playing in a brick and mortar casino!

A poker player loves people who chase. They are your bread and butter. Chasing is not the same as going all in on J-8-5-2 unsuited. 

 

My specific example was of calling with several people betting after you. You have no idea what that particular round will cost you, so you can only calculate odds within that zone of uncertainty, which is basically the guy holding the most chips. What was wise with a $6 potential loss is not wise when you could lose $600, or get chased out by someone who has watched too much TV poker.

 

During my trip to Connecticut I played 5 card stud all three nights. The first two nights the game was very tight. Even though there were limits the players played very intelligently. I was maybe plus or minus $50 for those two nights, I don't remember. The third night I played at a table of retired people who had taken the bus up from the city. I made close to $400, which paid for my hotel.

 

The point is to make money, no? Try finding a table like that today in AC.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

Yes, but only in certain situations.  When I price someone out of a hand, I want them out of the hand and I want to end it there..  If I have top pair, top kicker and feel that my hand is best at the time but there are 2 cards to a flush on the board, there is a good chance that the rest of the hand is a coin flip.  I dont like flipping coins to win hands, and I dont always want someone chasing, esp when there are that many outs to beat my hand.  I would rather win that $20 pot, then lose a $40 one because I couldnt price them out of the hand.

[ogfarmer 138]

^ this

 

 

I have been playing holdem pretty seriously for almost a decade. I don't claim to be a pro or online superstar.

 

I enjoy the game very much. Yes you win and lose, nothing is a guarantee. As the years have gone by I have improved my game an will continue to play.

 

Tourney's and cash are two entirely different entity's. Online vs F2F are two entirely different entity's also. I really don't like playing online that much cause I feel the suck outs are much more common and people chase way too much. But I still play.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

Oh, just to add. my User name is a combo of liking cars and poker.  Lugnuts and the Nuts in poker.. lol

 

I have also been playing for about 8 years now.  The 2 years prior to my daughter being born I acutally made about $10k playing very part time.  Doesnt sound like a lot, but at the time I was prob only making like $30k a year.  I won a few nice tournys and some cash here and there.  Even won on vacation on a cruise ship, paid for the whole vacation then some.  Good times

[ogfarmer 138]

nice

[TheLugNutZ 21]

we really should try to get a NJGF poker game going or something...

[ogfarmer 138]

Shooting and Poker are my two hobbies

[ogfarmer 138]

There was a thread but since folks are so spread out and different calibers of players it seemed to fizzle. Some wanted tournys while others wanted cash, others wanted .05-.10 while others wanted $1-$2.

 

I personally will play anything as long as its holdem, I hate omaha

[checko 180]

There was a thread but since folks are so spread out and different calibers of players it seemed to fizzle. Some wanted tournys while others wanted cash, others wanted .05-.10 while others wanted $1-$2.

 

I personally will play anything as long as its holdem, I hate omaha

I'm down for central jersey. Lol. And Omaha is fun dude. Creates havoc.

[ogfarmer 138]

yes it does. and I have lost to much $ cause of that havoc!

[TheLugNutZ 21]

lol

 

Well i would be down for anything, tournament or cash.  I think tournament would be good, then anyone who is knocked out can always start a cash game...

 

$1/2 is the norm, but i would do smaller stakes as well.  .5/.10 is a bit small though.  But whatever, it is what it is, poker is poker and I enjoy it either way.

 

I am also NOT an Omaha player, not for money anyway.  Just too many odds to play, i cant see myself being profitable. I would prob play REALLY tight haha

[Mikeythumbs 1]

Straight Omaha or HL8B Straight omaha is too much of a nuts game HL8B on the other hand is fun as hell. I really like HORSE even though I HATE razz. That game is a soul crusher at least in high you have a pair of aces in razz you start with A23 and end up with freaking 4 of a kind or an K high but it does generate action

[Newtonian 453]

we really should try to get a NJGF poker game going or something...

That would be awesome. I'd even play, if after my tirade you'd invite me

[checko 180]

I think a tourney would work best to be honest. Less stressful for everyone and friendlier.

[TheLugNutZ 21]

I agree.  Does anyone have a range/club with an area a game can be hosted at?