zoid 24 Posted January 8, 2014 Hey guys, hoping you could help shed some light on a matter I am facing. I recently switched jobs and I would rather not risk the local PD sending anything to my current job in regard to my applying for a purchase permit. Note: I already have my FID, this is only for a PP. I also have my own company with a partner and we are both considered employee/owners. But the company is based out of Maine. So can I list this as my employer? And will this be an issue with the application? Otherwise I am going to have to have a very awkward conversation with my mangers and I'd rather not go that route. Though I don't even think they mail anything for purchase permits. Still, would rather not risk it. Thanks for your input and thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikka1 2 Posted January 8, 2014 I listed my _foreign_ employer (yeah, it's kinda complicated, but all legal and consistent with IRS records, I state foreign company as a source of income there as well). Not sure if that was a reason of a long wait (most likely it wasn't) for my FID, but no questions were asked. They stated foreign office address on my P2Ps. I doubt anyone even noticed that :-) ADDED: And I have no idea if they tried to contact my employer, but I know for sure that they contacted both of my out-of-state references - first sending them questionnaires and then contacting them over the phone several months later, just before issuing me FID and P2Ps. They basically went through the same questions from the questionnaire, probably just to reconfirm that those guys exist not only in my vivid imagination. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted January 8, 2014 I dont see why it would be a problem. You are self employed. It doesnt say you need to list every single employer you may have. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AS350Driver 56 Posted January 8, 2014 My company is based in Illinois, and i've always listed it with zero issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 562 Posted January 8, 2014 Just put N/A. You don't have to even be employed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Burns 16 Posted January 8, 2014 I just got my FID card along with a pistol permit less then a month ago and my employer is in Virgina (I work as a government contractor so my employer is always changing). I had zero problems other then the wait time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worn_Holster 2 Posted January 8, 2014 In Denville, they send the same reference request form to my employer as well as to the two reference that I list. I find it irritating but my employer has no problem signing off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted January 8, 2014 I always list self-employed and they have never contacted me or mailed me anything to check with "my manager". There is no law that says you cannot have more than one employer, and nothing that says you have to list a "primary" employer. If you want to come mow my lawn please feel free to list me as your employer (as another option) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted January 8, 2014 I always list self-employed and they have never contacted me or mailed me anything to check with "my manager". There is no law that says you cannot have more than one employer, and nothing that says you have to list a "primary" employer. If you want to come mow my lawn please feel free to list me as your employer (as another option) Howard! ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ is the SAME answer I was going to type! WELL DONE MY MAN! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted January 8, 2014 Just put N/A. You don't have to even be employed. Not a good idea... 2C:39-10 c.Any person who gives or causes to be given any false information, or signs a fictitious name or address, in applying for a firearms purchaser identification card, a permit to purchase a handgun, a permit to carry a handgun, a permit to possess a machine gun, a permit to possess an assault firearm, or in completing the certificate or any other instrument required by law in purchasing or otherwise acquiring delivery of any rifle, shotgun, handgun, machine gun, or assault firearm or any other firearm, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. Just sayin' Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted January 8, 2014 Bob is correct you don't want to lie and say you are not employed if in fact you are. BUT as has been said claiming your part-time job as your employer is not a lie as it is "AN" employer. IF they want primary or largest source of income THEY need to say that, which they don't so you are on firm ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteF 1,044 Posted January 8, 2014 NA is "Not Avalable" or "Not Applicable". Putting that in a box is not a lie. If you say unemployed but are, that is a lie. Not answering a question is not lying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted January 8, 2014 NA is "Not Avalable" or "Not Applicable". Putting that in a box is not a lie. If you say unemployed but are, that is a lie. Not answering a question is not lying. But it could be construed to be false information, as it does apply and the information is available. With your right to bear arms at stake, it's not the time to split semantic hairs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 8, 2014 But it could be construed to be false information, as it does apply and the information is available. With your right to bear arms at stake, it's not the time to split semantic hairs. Yup. "The truth, the *whole* truth, and nothing but the truth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted January 8, 2014 put down self employed and the address to your buisness.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 8, 2014 put down self employed and the address to your buisness.. Precisely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 8, 2014 Give em a copy of today's Nappen court ruling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted January 8, 2014 Give em a copy of today's Nappen court ruling. ...and that would serve what purpose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted January 9, 2014 Give em a copy of today's Nappen court ruling. Totally irrelevant to what is being discussed. There is a field on the STS-033 for employment information. This is meant to be used to confirm employment - nothing else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arizona 0 Posted January 9, 2014 Just thinking, will the new law passed in NJ that has to do with firearm applicant privacy prohibit PDs from informing employers that you are applying for a firearm ? I've read the law a number of times and it seems as the law may cover this practice. They can just as easily verify employment without disclosing your application for a firearm. Thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted January 9, 2014 They have no business where you work and it has nothing to do with obtaining a firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted January 9, 2014 Just thinking, will the new law passed in NJ that has to do with firearm applicant privacy prohibit PDs from informing employers that you are applying for a firearm ? I've read the law a number of times and it seems as the law may cover this practice. They can just as easily verify employment without disclosing your application for a firearm. Thoughts? What new law? Are you referring to the court finding about additional documents or conditions? That really doesn't address the issue you raise. Only in NJ do you have to take the police to court to get them to obey the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for all the replies. Based on the above I am comfortable listing my business as my employer and will proceed as such. I don't even think they look at that except for the initial time you apply for an FID. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted January 9, 2014 Thanks for all the replies. Based on the above I am comfortable listing my business as my employer and will proceed as such. I don't even think they look at that except for the initial time you apply for an FID. Well, not exactly. The "employer info." is printed on P2Ps (i.e. your "occupation" and "employer name and address"). Not sure what good it does there, but... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blacksmythe 71 Posted January 9, 2014 Just put N/A. You don't have to even be employed. Thats what I do. No problems. Its none of their business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted January 9, 2014 In Denville, they send the same reference request form to my employer as well as to the two reference that I list. I find it irritating but my employer has no problem signing off. They only ask for two references, and there's no problem with them being out of state. I had someone out of state on my first three applications. Don't you know anyone else in NJ??? Anywhere? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted January 9, 2014 IMHO I've always thought the Employer question was left over from the 1960's when people were applying to be security guards and needed a revolver for the job. And it just may have stayed on the form because the form was never changed. But all that being said, if you own your own business and have a tax ID number, you are self-employed. I don't list that I'm in the National Guard and occasionally help out at my buddy's pizza place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted January 9, 2014 IMHO I've always thought the Employer question was left over from the 1960's when people were applying to be security guards and needed a revolver for the job. And it just may have stayed on the form because the form was never changed. But all that being said, if you own your own business and have a tax ID number, you are self-employed. I don't list that I'm in the National Guard and occasionally help out at my buddy's pizza place. I don't think asking for occupation and place of employment had anything to do with security guards. Most handgun purchases then, as now, were by people who were not LEOs or security guards. The statute permits a background investigation of sorts to get a FID or P2P. Occupation and employer are standard questions in a background investigation. If you get away with putting NA in those blocks fine but PDs would be within their rights to deny you if you fail to give that info. We can argue what race, sex, and phone number have to do with owning a firearm. I don't agree with the system but it is what it is until it is changed. I guess I'm one of the people old enough to remember this but until the mid to late 70s the form also had a question where you had to state "purpose of firearm" for a handgun. "Targetshooting" was the standard answer. I bought a Bauer 25 and a PPK on permits where I listed "targetshooting" on the applications. As with every other "targetshooting" application I never heard anything about this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tunaman 562 Posted January 9, 2014 I don't have an employer. I am disabled. N/A is the proper answer. They don't need to know anything more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted January 9, 2014 Griz, I remember the purpose question as well. Everybody put down Target Shooting, even for NAA .22's that fit behind a huge belt buckle, lol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites