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consent to mental health records check

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This is regarding the form that is part of the paperwork in applying for the firearms purchaser id card about consenting to mental health records.

When they ask for mental health records, how deep do they want to know or look for exactly? I saw a psychiatrist a few times for mild stuff like ADHD and slight autism. I was never hospitalized or anything like that and definitely am not a mentally unstable person. My criminal background is crystal clean also. But should I be worried that I'm going to be rejected for this? Do they even know if I went to a psychiatrist since again I was never hospitalized or went through a court or anything like that? 

 

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4 hours ago, Persona non grata said:

They will go deep. If you ever saw a mental health professional, put it down. Having seen a mental health professional isn't a disqualifier on its own, but not disclosing it is.

I'm guessing something as simple as that doesn't show up on a nicks background check which takes place at the gun shop but does in the police departments search then. Thanks NJ, Blah, I hate this state.

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I wouldn't risk being denied for lying, I'd just write that you saw one a few times for minor ADHD.
They may request that you get a note saying you're safe to own a firearm, though, and THAT may be difficult.

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With the caveat IANAL,

In the past, I have had reason to think long and hard about this topic.  You may be able to search and find some of my past posts on this topic.    So a few “bottomline” thoughts as follows:

1. The more relevent issue is how you will answer question #26 on the STS-033 form. IMO you clearly need to answer “Yes”. In particular , note words “ever” and “outpatient “ that are part of the question.  

2. Lying on the STS-033 form is a felony. Said felony would disqualify you from ever owning forearms.  Hence you must be truthful.  You do not want to lie and forever have to worry about the lie being discovered, whether now or anytime in the future.

3. Given you answer "Yes" to Q#26, in the box state "See attached letter" and include a carefully written letter describing your issue and treatment.  See Lambo's recommendation above. Keep it short, simple, and factual.

4. Once you answer "Yes", you will by definition always have to answer "Yes" on future STS-033 applications. But at least you will be able to make reference to the fact you have been approved in the past(ie your current application). 

5. The mental health form is so they can check with the county to see if you were ever committed to a mental institution.  With that said, some police depts will use that to dig deeper.

6. Hopefully your application will be processed smoothly and promptly.  HOWEVER,  once you start this process, you must be must be ready to see it through it's ultimate conclusion no matter what, even if it requires a doctor's note, lawyer, appeal to Superior Court, whatever.  You do not want to be Denied by your local PD and let that decision stand. 

Msg me privately for any further questions you may have.

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I mean I don't consider going to a specialist 5 years ago when I was in college and had trouble focusing to be a mental disorder. I don't see this person anymore and she wouldn't write a note saying it's safe for me to own a firearm because I'm sure she doesn't even remember me and the 30 minute conversation we had. That's ridiculous if they would discriminate for something like that and if they did I'd try to sue for violating my second amendment rights. I have no criminal background or was ever hospitalized or deemed dangerous by a specialist.

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2 hours ago, oldguysrule649 said:

With the caveat IANAL,

promptly.  HOWEVER,  once you start this process, you must be must be ready to see it through it's ultimate conclusion no matter what, even if it requires a doctor's note, lawyer, appeal to Superior Court, whatever.  You do not want to be Denied by your local PD and let that decision stand. 

Msg me privately for any further questions you may have.

I wouldn't be willing to do all that. I'd just have to wait until I eventually move to a state that respects my rights as an American citizen and I'll only have to pass the nicks background check which would be no problem since again I have no criminal background or hospitalization background.

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2 hours ago, SJG said:

What makes you think Nics cannot find out about this since you posted your history on a public forum

I don't think they're running the check on my username on this forum. I don't see how anything other than arrests and hospitalizations would come up on there. Medical records I think are otherwise private and frankly nobodies business.

 

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From what I've been told my a mental health professional, they are basically just looking to see if you've ever been committed or reported by a professional as suicidal or having threatened someone. They don't talk to therapists or such and mental health professionals aren't going to say anything to the police even if they are asked unless they directly threaten to kill themselves or someone else. Revealing any of your medical information would destroy the whole basis of being someone you can safely talk to.

Also, there's no database or anything with everyone's therapy/psychology records so the only searchable thing the police can find is officially reported institutionalization.

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1 hour ago, Greenday said:

From what I've been told my a mental health professional, they are basically just looking to see if you've ever been committed or reported by a professional as suicidal or having threatened someone. They don't talk to therapists or such and mental health professionals aren't going to say anything to the police even if they are asked unless they directly threaten to kill themselves or someone else. Revealing any of your medical information would destroy the whole basis of being someone you can safely talk to.

Also, there's no database or anything with everyone's therapy/psychology records so the only searchable thing the police can find is officially reported institutionalization.

AHHH!  Then we have nothing to worry about here! No need for worries at all! YOU SIR ARE DELUSIONAL!!! This state and it's systems are rife with corruption and injustice. Please don't try to put our minds at ease here. You just showed your true colors to us all! You are a plant or should I say a weed here that simply does not belong! 

Of course people who threaten to kill themselves or others in the presence of a mental heath professionals should not have access to guns! That's common sense! But when your Podiatrist who is treating you for a toenail fungus hears in casual conversation that you are for the 2nd Amendment and turns you in as a danger to yourself or others, the story changes!

We are not gullible idiots here at NJGF, so stop wasting your time and ours! JUST GO AWAY! You are so transparent, it's ridiculous!

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22 minutes ago, JohnnyB said:

AHHH!  Then we have nothing to worry about here! No need for worries at all! YOU SIR ARE DELUSIONAL!!! This state and it's systems are rife with corruption and injustice. Please don't try to put our minds at ease here. You just showed your true colors to us all! You are a plant or should I say a weed here that simply does not belong! 

Of course people who threaten to kill themselves or others in the presence of a mental heath professionals should not have access to guns! That's common sense! But when your Podiatrist who is treating you for a toenail fungus hears in casual conversation that you are for the 2nd Amendment and turns you in as a danger to yourself or others, the story changes!

We are not gullible idiots here so stop wasting your time and ours! JUST GO AWAY!

....What? I am so confused.

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You do not have to answer yes for being prescribed adderall or Ritalin. You can safely answer no if that is what you are worried about. If you answer yes you will need a medical doctor to clear you.


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I retired this month. My company transported military arms and goods around the world on behalf of the US Government. I had to get a security clearance and background check regularly. I see a Psychiatrist for Insomnia, Anxiety, Depression and ADHD. I never had a problem. These are things that many people suffer from these days. I had my last background check from a US Defense/Security Agency  just two months ago and was approved with no problems. My PDOC said that they are only obligated to provide information that they deem to be a danger to themselves or others.

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I retired this month. My company transported military arms and goods around the world on behalf of the US Government. I had to get a security clearance and background check regularly. I see a Psychiatrist for Insomnia, Anxiety, Depression and ADHD. I never had a problem. These are things that many people suffer from these days. I had my last background check from a US Defense/Security Agency  just two months ago and was approved with no problems. My PDOC said that they are only obligated to provide information that they deem to be a danger to themselves or others.
So you don't disclose to PRNJ. Which is the correct thing to do.

Many People get on this forum and take the holier than though you must submit to the government attitude. I've always wondered do they practice what they preach?

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As a data point, I don't disclose anything, I sign the waiver, and never had a problem. 

However, I did as a young child have to attend court mandated family therapy due to my brother's extra legal antics and the repercussions thereof. 

It's never been an issue. 

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