pjd832 146 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 11:07 AM, 1LtCAP said: we could do that before too That would depend if your mailbox was within 15 feet of the center of the road or not lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 Another committee meeting livestream (audio only) happening NOW: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings/media-player?committee=AOF&agendaDate=2022-10-24-13:00:00&agendaType=M&av=A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fred2 367 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, DirtyDigz said: They are not in the NJ bill, specifically, that I can find. However there are several clauses in the NJ Bill that could be applied to houses of worship depending on the facilities/events: "a school, college, university, or other educational institution and on any school bus;" - bible school " a child care facility or day care center;" - if church is providing child care/day care "a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack, or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games, or contests are held;" - Performances / Bingo games In addition to the catch-all "private property". How are you going to bring your target rifle to school to shoot on the High School Rifle team if you can't take it on the bus? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
silverado427 10,730 Posted October 24, 2022 I'll bet murphys all wet over this blunder by brandon/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Another committee meeting livestream (audio only) happening NOW: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings/media-player?committee=AOF&agendaDate=2022-10-24-13:00:00&agendaType=M&av=A guess it's done already? says no media found..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 27 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Another committee meeting livestream (audio only) happening NOW: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/live-proceedings/media-player?committee=AOF&agendaDate=2022-10-24-13:00:00&agendaType=M&av=A I listened to the hearing. The head of the retired police association basically said the following " I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE AND SUPPORT EVERYTHING IN THE BILL AS LONG AS I AND OTHER RETIRED POLICE CAN CARRY". For all of you devotees of law enforcement on this forum, I WANT YOU TO SIT QUIETLY FOR A FEW MINUTES AND LET THAT SINK IN.... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: guess it's done already? says no media found..... Yes, it was short. Limited to discussion of bill amendments only. PBA lobbyist begged for exemptions for retired/off duty LEO, NJ judiciary representative begged for NJ judiciary to be released from PTC process immediately upon bill taking effect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: guess it's done already? says no media found..... oh no I listened to it, it's quite telling....AND YEH IT PASSED. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 Just now, marlintag said: oh no I listened to it, it's quite telling....AND YEH IT PASSED. Passed this particular committee. The bill still has to pass add'l legislative steps before it is law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Passed this particular committee. The bill still has to pass add'l legislative steps before it is law. 90 days or less..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 now here's a question.....if ones application is already submitted when they sign this.......which cost do they hafta pay? the highway robbery price? or the current price? also.....does any of the organizations already have suits drafted to go against this, seeing as this all flies directly int he face of bruen? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 1LtCAP said: does any of the organizations already have suits drafted to go against this, seeing as this all flies directly int he face of bruen? ANJRPC has stated they will file a suit and seek a TRO immediately after Murphy signs into law. Lawsuits can't be filed against bills, only once they become law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bomber 1,092 Posted October 24, 2022 17 hours ago, JohnnyB said: "You may not carry on train You may not carry on plane You may not carry here nor there You may not carry anywhere.." I've never seen that before. It'd be funnier if they left out the "A Gun" line and just said carry, people would get it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 24, 2022 1 minute ago, marlintag said: I listened to the hearing. The head of the retired police association basically said the following " I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE AND SUPPORT EVERYTHING IN THE BILL AS LONG AS I AND OTHER RETIRED POLICE CAN CARRY". For all of you devotees of law enforcement on this forum, I WANT YOU TO SIT QUIETLY FOR A FEW MINUTES AND LET THAT SINK IN.... Yep. But it’s not because that is the actual belief. That is the price of getting these particular lawmakers to change it. Look how the bill’s sponsor said “ so you support the bill” or thanked someone for being on his side when they clearly were not. It’s the price they demand. If you watched the prior hearing with the state PBA representative, he did the same thing and was very careful with his words when another lawmaker asked him if retired cops felt betrayed by this law. Do you know what didn’t work ? Talking about the constitution with these people.They don’t care. While I do want my exemption, we should be thankful that they went “ full ret—-“on their law. Most of it will not survive a court challenge and the case law allowing carry gets cemented in law. The link for the audio didn’t work. Do you have another link? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Walkinguf61 said: The link for the audio didn’t work. Do you have another link? Recording is now up: https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/archived-media/2022/AOF-meeting-list/media-player?committee=AOF&agendaDate=2022-10-24-13:00:00&agendaType=M&av=A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
galapoola 102 Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/22/2022 at 10:54 AM, BigGuns said: You're not suppose to question this. For the first time, people can get a CCW in NJ. You should just accept it. They can now CCW from their front door to their mailbox, and back. This is a win for gun owners, right? Ha, your mailbox is generally on the 8 foot setback so not on your property. Before Bruen, couldn’t even get the mail and carry. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Walkinguf61 said: Yep. But it’s not because that is the actual belief. That is the price of getting these particular lawmakers to change it. Look how the bill’s sponsor said “ so you support the bill” or thanked someone for being on his side when they clearly were not. It’s the price they demand. If you watched the prior hearing with the state PBA representative, he did the same thing and was very careful with his words when another lawmaker asked him if retired cops felt betrayed by this law. Do you know what didn’t work ? Talking about the constitution with these people.They don’t care. While I do want my exemption, we should be thankful that they went “ full ret—-“on their law. Most of it will not survive a court challenge and the case law allowing carry gets cemented in law. The link for the audio didn’t work. Do you have another link? try this one.... https://www.njleg.state.nj.us/archived-media/2022/AOF-meeting-list/media-player?committee=AOF&agendaDate=2022-10-24-13:00:00&agendaType=M&av=A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DAHL 59 Posted October 24, 2022 My prediction is that the Cancel Carry Bill will be voted on this week and pass. Then it will be up to ANJRPC, the NRA and the FPC to challenge this in court. This is NJ and all logic on firearms possession and carry is rejected. To say that banning citizens who have taken classes, qualified on a range, vetted with three background checks, from carrying in both public and private places is not only wrong it is unconstitutional. To hear both the state and local police associations state that they support this bill is frightening. Concealed carry holders would carry just as responsibly as police would. We are law abiding, peaceable and should not be prejudged as criminals. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, galapoola said: Ha, your mailbox is generally on the 8 foot setback so not on your property. Before Bruen, couldn’t even get the mail and carry. my mailbox is wihin my fenced in yard. also....if it were on the curb, and we're responsible for the sidewalk in front of our property....should we not be able to carry out there? i mean....isn't it even more ridiculous that i'd have to unholster to go out to do the grass and edging out there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 26 minutes ago, DAHL said: My prediction is that the Cancel Carry Bill will be voted on this week and pass. Then it will be up to ANJRPC, the NRA and the FPC to challenge this in court. This is NJ and all logic on firearms possession and carry is rejected. To say that banning citizens who have taken classes, qualified on a range, vetted with three background checks, from carrying in both public and private places is not only wrong it is unconstitutional. To hear both the state and local police associations state that they support this bill is frightening. Concealed carry holders would carry just as responsibly as police would. We are law abiding, peaceable and should not be prejudged as criminals. Not this week, I believe Scott Bach said November or December the latest this past Sunday when he was with Anthony Colandro (gun for hire) podcast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike77 169 Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Walkinguf61 said: Yep. But it’s not because that is the actual belief. That is the price of getting these particular lawmakers to change it. Look how the bill’s sponsor said “ so you support the bill” or thanked someone for being on his side when they clearly were not. It’s the price they demand. If you watched the prior hearing with the state PBA representative, he did the same thing and was very careful with his words when another lawmaker asked him if retired cops felt betrayed by this law. Do you know what didn’t work ? Talking about the constitution with these people.They don’t care. While I do want my exemption, we should be thankful that they went “ full ret—-“on their law. Most of it will not survive a court challenge and the case law allowing carry gets cemented in law. The link for the audio didn’t work. Do you have another link? Because these people are trying to create laws, based on "feelings", not constitutional law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 24, 2022 Does anyone have a link to the most current version of the bill. This bill with all the proposed admendments is quickly changing and not always for the better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmaster1313 61 Posted October 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, Walkinguf61 said: Does anyone have a link to the most current version of the bill. This bill with all the proposed admendments is quickly changing and not always for the better Link to the bill and amendments etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Walkinguf61 said: Does anyone have a link to the most current version of the bill. This bill with all the proposed admendments is quickly changing and not always for the better Don't worry you will get your exemptions...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 24, 2022 They set this up beautifully for the court case. The majority of this bill will be struck down . How does one ask permission to enter with the firearm at most places ? It’s next to impossible. Section 24 makes most of NJ off limits to carry by default . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 i'm listening to the retired trooper beg now. i'm thiiissssssss close to my blue-line flags coming down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 24, 2022 the amendments were written by retired leo????? how the f is that even legal???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walkinguf61 40 Posted October 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, marlintag said: Don't worry you will get your exemptions...... It actually looks like it backfired. The active exemption that was added screwed the retirees. Section 24 is a huge problem. I am curious how this bs interacts with LEOSA. A private individual can exclude LEOSA carriers but the government can’t make them. Can the state require an affirmative permission however? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted October 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: i'm listening to the retired trooper beg now. i'm thiiissssssss close to my blue-line flags coming down. I told you, listening to that retired troopers' selfish comments had me shaking my head in disbelief. Not in a care in the world for anybody else but themselves....the disregard they have it's shameful...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,751 Posted October 24, 2022 NJ is going to get a boot up their asses when this gets challenged in court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites