NYC - Cop Shoots Suspect's Elderly Dad During Raid

[sig2009 3]

Don't know if this is a dupe but I came across this today. I'll bet the cop walks!

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/cop_shoots_suspect_elderly_dad_in_K7oRBma54vArYlBuQgjvYM

[tony357 386]

This is very unfortanate, i see no reason the officer should be prosecuted..

 

How many time do they have to arrest the same guy.. he was collared 13 times?

 

every time this guy is arrested their is a chance of someone being shot..

[sig2009 3]

This is very unfortanate, i see no reason the officer should be prosecuted..

 

How many time do they have to arrest the same guy.. he was collared 13 times?

 

every time this guy is arrested their is a chance of someone being shot..

 

It was his father who was shot and not the dealer. Well I guess in your mind the police can just shoot anyone they want and say it was an accident. Any and all cops who shoot someone by accident should go to jail like the rest of us would if we were in the same situation!

[bry@n 195]

I don't believe everything I read. I am sure there was an accident but will not convict the man until I hear all the facts. I don't believe he should get off just because he is a cop. I amn sure there are extenuating circumstances here.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Well, no information was given about why he shot, so i guess there figuring that out right now... and they'll let us know when they come up with a good enough excuse. I'm sure they would be eager to tell the media that it was a justified shooting so i take it.. it was not. There calling it accidental, or at least the media is.

[Maksim 1,504]

What is up with all the cop bashing? I am sure there will be a civil suit and the guy will get a large paycheck courtesy of nyc tax payers.

 

Are there bad cops? Absolutely, but the mAjority are great people whom you should be thanking for risking their lives.

 

If you don't agree, please leave the forum. This will not be a cop bashing homeplace.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I don't think were "cop bashing", just trying to put it into real life perspective. Like you said, the tax payers will most likely pay for this "accident". I'm going to try and shut my mouth for the remainder of this thread as to not offend anyone, but i just want to say that NYC is pretty notorious for having trigger happy cops, so that really doesn't help the mentality of the people when it happens again.

[Shug 4]

I am sure there will be a civil suit and the guy will get a large paycheck courtesy of nyc tax payers.

 

Agreed.

 

Had he been shot 41 times then this would be a different convo.

[hopper 36]

What is up with all the cop bashing? I am sure there will be a civil suit and the guy will get a large paycheck courtesy of nyc tax payers.

 

Are there bad cops? Absolutely, but the mAjority are great people whom you should be thanking for risking their lives.

 

If you don't agree, please leave the forum. This will not be a cop bashing homeplace.

Thank You !!

[tommy3rd 132]

If you don't agree, please leave the forum. This will not be a cop bashing homeplace.

You can follow that up with a "can I get an amen".

[vjf915 456]

I hate to be the one to say this but.....maybe the guy shouldn't have been hanging around a drug dealer. I don't care if it was his father, he was just asking for trouble. Family members have left each other over much smaller details, this father should have done the same. Hanging around a big drug dealer like this, something was BOUND to happen. I honestly have no sympathy for the man. On top of that, there are a lot of details that we just don't know. Maybe law enforcement busted through the door, and this guy jumped up really quick.....attracting the officers attention. Police officers are not machines, and mistakes are going to happen at some point. I do think that this is one of those circumstances where the officer can be forgiven. In order for a crime to be committed, the person must have malicious intent. Can anybody here prove that this cop beyond any reasonable doubt had malicious intent? Don't think so.

[djg0770 481]

It's the Glock's fault. :thsmiley_deadhorse:

[Anselmo 87]

I hate to be the one to say this but.....maybe the guy shouldn't have been hanging around a drug dealer. I don't care if it was his father, he was just asking for trouble. Family members have left each other over much smaller details, this father should have done the same. Hanging around a big drug dealer like this, something was BOUND to happen. I honestly have no sympathy for the man. On top of that, there are a lot of details that we just don't know. Maybe law enforcement busted through the door, and this guy jumped up really quick.....attracting the officers attention. Police officers are not machines, and mistakes are going to happen at some point. I do think that this is one of those circumstances where the officer can be forgiven. In order for a crime to be committed, the person must have malicious intent. Can anybody here prove that this cop beyond any reasonable doubt had malicious intent? Don't think so.

 

You don't need malicious intent to commit a crime. What if someone is cleaning their safe action Glock pistol and it accidentally discharged and killed someone? You can just be negligent and commit a crime.

[e80hydro 120]

The father needs to find a better class of people to hang with. His dope dealing, 15 time offender kid got him shot. They should have put two in the kid so an accident like this never happens to the father again.

[vjf915 456]

The father needs to find a better class of people to hang with. His dope dealing, 15 time offender kid got him shot. They should have put two in the kid so an accident like this never happens to the father again.

This.

[KpdPipes 388]

You know it's amazing.....If there is a newspaper or other media story about a firearm, the reporter is automatically considered to be a blithering idiot who couldnt find his own a** with both hands, and a team of search dogs.... But If it's a story that involves the Police, those same reporters are to be suddenly considered the right hand of god...

[Ray Ray 3,566]

It was an accident, that's all. Like Tony said, this kid was arrested many times before. The bullet should've been aimed at him as his life of crime will continue after this event.

[maideneddie 35]

Curious to hear the rest of the story before I pass judgement. But it sounds like another case of be careful of the company you keep. If the old man wasn't with his drug dealing scumbag son, he would not have even been put in this situation.

[XDJohnTact 49]

What is up with all the cop bashing? I am sure there will be a civil suit and the guy will get a large paycheck courtesy of NYC tax payers.

 

Are there bad cops? Absolutely, but the majority are great people whom you should be thanking for risking their lives.

 

If you don't agree, please leave the forum. This will not be a cop bashing home place.

 

+1

[GRIZ 3,369]

It was his father who was shot and not the dealer. Well I guess in your mind the police can just shoot anyone they want and say it was an accident.

 

There is not enough in the article to make a judgement if the cop should be prosecuted. "Well I guess un your mind..." statement clearly exhibits your prejudices.

 

Any and all cops who shoot someone by accident should go to jail like the rest of us would if we were in the same situation!

 

Okay how many times have you served a warrant on a heroin dealer?

[vjf915 456]

It was his father who was shot and not the dealer. Well I guess in your mind the police can just shoot anyone they want and say it was an accident.

 

There is not enough in the article to make a judgement if the cop should be prosecuted. "Well I guess un your mind..." statement clearly exhibits your prejudices.

 

Any and all cops who shoot someone by accident should go to jail like the rest of us would if we were in the same situation!

 

Okay how many times have you served a warrant on a heroin dealer?

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I guess 3 is too many for the day

[Malsua 1,422]

So here's a bit more detail.

 

Cop attempts to turn on his Surefire...which has a forward pushing button and as with every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. Push forward with left hand, resist with right hand and have the booger hook inside the trigger guard and Viola! instant chemical reaction!

 

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/flashlight_shoot_happened_before_idVqywoSeilX8BauI38OJN

'Flashlight' shoot happened before

The shooting of an innocent, unarmed elderly Bronx man by a cop who was trying to turn on a pistol-mounted flashlight is at least the second accidental police shooting in the US involving that same flashlight model.

 

But unlike Saturday’s shooting of 76-year-old Jose Colon — who survived a cop’s bullet to the stomach — an unarmed Texas man died Oct. 13 under what reportedly were strikingly similar circumstances involving the Surefire X300 flashlight.

 

The family of that dead man, suspected drug dealer Michael Anthony Alcala, is now suing the city of Plano for negligence in the shooting, where a cop claimed he inadvertently fired instead of turning on the flashlight as intended.

 

A New York firearms expert yesterday criticized the use of pistol-mounted flashlights, saying they complicate what is already a stressful situation for cops pointing guns.

 

"A handgun should be a handgun, and a flashlight should be a flashlight," said firearms instructor Kenneth Cooper, who was an expert witness for one of the NYPD officers acquitted for the 1999 shooting of unarmed Bronx man Amadou Diallou.

 

"When you put a flashlight on a weapon system, there are numerous things that you have to manipulate, and under stress, things are more difficult," Cooper said. "I don’t like flashlights on guns, I never did. I personally don’t see the necessity . . . a flashlight to me is an unnecessary hazard."

 

Derek McDonald, Surefire’s vice president of marketing, said the Plano shooting was the first time time the company had heard a claim that one of its flashlights played a role in a cop firing his gun accidentally until The Post notified him of the Colon case. McDonald also noted that Surefire has sold such products since the late 1980s.

 

"Our product is safe, has been proven safe," McDonald said. "Used in a safe manner, it doesn’t lead to accidents. It prevents misidentification and saves police lives."

 

Colon was shot during a drug raid early Saturday in his Soundview apartment when Emergency Services Officer Andrew McCormack tried to turn on the Surefire X300 flashlight mounted underneath the barrel of his Glock 9mm semi-automatic pistol, and instead pulled the gun’s trigger, sources said.

 

The light is turned on by pushing one of two switches in front of the trigger guard.

 

Colon was unarmed and not charged with a crime. But cops busted his 41-year-old son, Alberto, for heroin possession.

 

The elderly Colon, who once worked for state Sen. Ruben Diaz as a supervisor in a home-attendant program, was recovering yesterday in Jacobi Hospital, where he had been visited Saturday by both Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly. Kelly had no immediate comment when asked whether the NYPD will continue using the weapon.

 

In the Texas case, an undercover narcotics police sergeant drew his pistol on drug suspect Alcala in a dark parking lot on Oct. 13, and tried to turn on his Surefire X300 flashlight on, according to a story in the Dallas Morning News.

 

But instead of turning on the light, the cop accidentally fired the gun, killing Alcala.

 

Plano police have said they don’t believe the flashlight was a problem

[sig2009 3]

Once again and it has been said before. Blame it on the equipment before you blame the person operating it. Looks like someone needs to learn to operate a flashlight before they are allowed to carry a gun.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I don't think there is anything wrong with having the light on the gun, i do find it hard to believe the gun went off from turning it on. The design of the on/off switch is a vertical turning tab. If anything the design makes it very easy to be turned on and off as it straddles the trigger guard. I would be upset if they stopped using them tho, police need to have the ability to light there way through a situation with out the burden of loosing mobility, and unless they can manipulate the beam quickly and effectively they are painting a target on themselves.

 

Decide for yourself i guess.

[mipafox 438]

On top of that, there are a lot of details that we just don't know. Maybe law enforcement busted through the door, and this guy jumped up really quick.....attracting the officers attention.

 

I can tell you that if Latin Kings bust through my door in the middle of the night yelling, "Police!" I am going to do a hell of a lot more than jump up really quick.

[e80hydro 120]

The cop may have been ham fisted, but he's only got a split secong to react. The father laid down with the dogs and he got fleas.