FishNHard 145 Posted March 9, 2015 Ive always thought that any long gun that I have or would buy I would most likey put a scope on but the past year ive pretty much took optics off of all but my 270 the AR all the ak's m1a1 everything altho not as accurate I seem to have a lot more fun shooting open sights , anyone else prefer open to optics . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted March 9, 2015 I don't own a scope. My rifles either have iron sights and/or red dot optics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,301 Posted March 9, 2015 Both, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted March 9, 2015 My only scoped long guns are a .22lr and an air rifle. Both were packaged. Everything else is iron. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted March 9, 2015 This topic just came up in a huge thread Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted March 9, 2015 I prefer iron sights but I do have a scope on my Remington 700 and a reflex style sight on my 22 AR. everything else I own has iron sights on them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golf battery 1,223 Posted March 11, 2015 Iron. Requires more skill. Accuracy is the same if you can see the distance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jm1827 284 Posted March 11, 2015 Both, depending on the purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted March 11, 2015 Iron. Requires more skill. Accuracy is the same if you can see the distance. I wouldn't necessarily say it takes more skill to shoot irons over a RDS. I would say irons are simply a less capable system over a broad spectrum of shooting positions and are simply harder to shoot. A small but important distinction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted March 11, 2015 scope on ar-10 , irons and red dot on ar-15's Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oleg 8 Posted March 11, 2015 I have both red dot and irons on m&p 15-22 and practice with both of them every time. I am going to have a rifle with optics as well and practice all of them equally. I do not know what I will be able to see over longer distances but I have a lot of troubles seeing targets at indoor range with iron sights. I know they supposed to be blurry when you do it right, but for me it is blurry beyond recognition at 20+ yards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eric. 9 Posted March 12, 2015 Both, depending on the purpose. This. Really, it just comes down to the intended purpose. Iron sights are as good as anything if you do a lot of close up shooting. Optics become more practical, the longer the distance, for example. Obviously, these are generalizations. I'm hoping "Mr 3 gun" Vlad doesn't chime in about how guys shoot Service Rifle matches out to 600yds with iron sights, lol. Eric Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DevsAdvocate 112 Posted March 12, 2015 This is dependent on the ranges you plan to use it at: 1. 0-100m : RDS or Open Sights (I run an M-16A4 clone and AKM close with open sights) 2. 100-300m: Fixed 3x or 4x optic (ACOG) 3. 300-beyond: Fixed 10x Caveat: I can and have shot irons effectively out to 600m, as I have used Fixed 3x/4x optics out further than described above. The ranges presented are not simply for target acquisition and engagement, but most importantly for target IDENTIFICATION. This is the big reason the military moved to ACOG type optics in the last decade. It improves accuracy and lets the soldier see what they are shooting at. I currently own an SWFA 1-6X variable optic, but might sell it for a lighter fixed optic. I find variables to be pointless at low magnifications as close range stuff is still easy to acquire with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted March 13, 2015 Iron. I don't need optics for HD. Though thinking of getting an inexpensive .22lr rifle with optics, for fun of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted March 13, 2015 Iron. I don't need optics for HD.I don't understand this at all. Why would you not want a more capable system that is faster and more intuitive regardless of how stable or repeatable your shooting platform is? Why the desire to use a legacy system that has been made obsolete over the last 20 years and has since been relegated to back up/emergency status by people who use these rifles daily in the same manner as you would for HD? Why aspire to mediocrity with the tool you may very well bet your life on? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted March 13, 2015 Iron. Requires more skill. Accuracy is the same if you can see the distance. I disagree. About 16 months ago I switched from production to open in USPSA. Using the RMR requires much more muscle memory. If you don't bring the pistol up within a smaller degree radius, you will not see the dot and will spend some time searching for it. For irons, you can see the orientation of the front and rear blades in just about any position the pistol is in. Initial orientation requires more skill with the dot, but is faster with the irons. Once you acquire the iron or dot over the target, then the dot is quicker as it does not require further alignment between the front and rear blades with your eyes. As I have been using irons for 20 years, I have not acquired this muscle memory, so I still have the front site installed at a lower-90 cowitness to help me find the dot quicker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michael2013 56 Posted March 15, 2015 I don't understand this at all. Why would you not want a more capable system that is faster and more intuitive regardless of how stable or repeatable your shooting platform is? Why the desire to use a legacy system that has been made obsolete over the last 20 years and has since been relegated to back up/emergency status by people who use these rifles daily in the same manner as you would for HD? Why aspire to mediocrity with the tool you may very well bet your life on? Thanks HE, I appreciate you input. My point is that I don't expect a HD situation where the distance is more than a few yards, and I'm confident I can hit the target without optics. And, I think that acquiring target with optics takes more time (and I'll have to get my glasses ). I'm going to try optics soon and maybe will change my mind after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted March 15, 2015 Thanks HE, I appreciate you input. My point is that I don't expect a HD situation where the distance is more than a few yards, and I'm confident I can hit the target without optics. And, I think that acquiring target with optics takes more time (and I'll have to get my glasses ). I'm going to try optics soon and maybe will change my mind after that. Acquiring a target with optics takes more time? Nah! A red dot requires much less time, is usually not subjected to parallax and human error trying to see a front site through a tiny hole. As fast as you can put a red dot on a target with both eyes open, target acquired, target dead. PS, may not even need glasses unless you are really blind without them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted March 15, 2015 Here is my HD Ar.... Aimpoint Pro.... Flashlight ya can't see. Can't get much more simple. Tripod only mounted for photos. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites