NJSP REQUALIFICATION

[xXxplosive 824]

....so who really knows what's going on here....omo.

[dajonga 397]

13 hours ago, kc17 said:

Thank you. I would be great if you could post final outcome here as well. I do not have a "book of feces" account anymore.

Will do!

[bennj 215]

Good evening David, I also requalified with Mr. Cope this Tuesday the 19th (took my original qual with him in Aug. 2022).  I actually had rescheduled the week before the new qualification came out on 9/17, but Mr. Cope had the new S.P. 182 CCare form, which replaced the interim qual of 7/18, which replaced the qual prior. I'm also not on facebook and appreciate your willingness to keep us informed here on the forum.

Thanks again,

Ben

[ALAN553 27]

so i'm trying to understand the new deadline for requal.  I and others are holding permits with either a court order order or your chief's signature...it may not expire until 2025....My shooting qual done at RTSP certainly works...so its just the 1 hour course.  But lets say I don't own a computer, i still use a flip phone, i don't even know what a message board is....how would I know that anything has changed? there are no overhead signs on Route 80 reminding me to requalify, nothing in the newspapers....Will the court or my chief contact me?  Do they issue me a new ID card that looks or states something different than what I already have.  Sort of like the 15 round mag ownership ban, how are the unconnected supposed to know that they may be in legal trouble?  Just saying....  

[xXxplosive 824]

....so who really knows what's going on....omo.

[124gr9mm 859]

50 minutes ago, ALAN553 said:

so i'm trying to understand the new deadline for requal.  I and others are holding permits with either a court order order or your chief's signature...it may not expire until 2025....My shooting qual done at RTSP certainly works...so its just the 1 hour course.  But lets say I don't own a computer, i still use a flip phone, i don't even know what a message board is....how would I know that anything has changed? there are no overhead signs on Route 80 reminding me to requalify, nothing in the newspapers....Will the court or my chief contact me?  Do they issue me a new ID card that looks or states something different than what I already have.  Sort of like the 15 round mag ownership ban, how are the unconnected supposed to know that they may be in legal trouble?  Just saying....  

The short answer is that you're responsible to follow the law, so so there's no exemption/exception for not having online access.

There are plenty of older guys who STILL have 15 and 17 round magazines at the range, and those were outlawed years ago.

For CCW I suspect things will be done in a half-assed way where different PD's do different things.

[ALAN553 27]

yup...I knew the short answer...just venting on little people/elected officials are when it comes to governing. 

[revenger 473]

so I got my new forms from RTSP for the new requirements and dropped one off at my local PD and since the court issued mine I sent a copy to them as well.

yesterday I got an envelope from the morris county court containing the exact same letter I got when they told me to resubmit it to local PD to add guns.   I guess they don't care about it anymore.

[124gr9mm 859]

2 hours ago, revenger said:

so I got my new forms from RTSP for the new requirements and dropped one off at my local PD and since the court issued mine I sent a copy to them as well.

yesterday I got an envelope from the morris county court containing the exact same letter I got when they told me to resubmit it to local PD to add guns.   I guess they don't care about it anymore.

There is no need to engage the court.

They haven't cared about it in months...but don't run afoul of what's listed in their order.

[brucin 923]

I shot my requal at GFH at the end of August. My PD has not contacted me but I will send them a copy via certified mail mid December just to cover my ass. I'm waiting till then because I want to see if they contact me.

[dajonga 397]

FaceSpace Update from Shooters Sporting Center...

READ THE ENTIRE POST BEFORE CALLING THE STORE! We will not answer any questions that are shared in this post. (We also will not be answering questions on the post until the end of the day.)

PERMIT TO CARRY QUALIFICATIONS

The State of NJ posted a memorandum on September 17, 2023 pertaining to the Permit to carry “Civilian Carry Assessment and Range Evaluation (CCARE) Protocol”. Dated September 15th, 2023

*** See attached photos ***

After discussions with the NJSP Firearms Investigation Unit & our course instructors, we have decided on a plan of action to ensure every PTC holder who qualified at Shooters Sporting Center are in compliance with the law.

We will REQUALIFY all of our customers at NO

charge!

The requalification will be free ONLY IF proof of initial qualifications at Shooters Sporting Center is provided. You must bring a copy of your original qualifications or receipt to be requalified. It will be REQUIRED to show either one of these documents. If you DO NOT have proof of your initial qualification course or receipt, you will have to sign up for an initial PTC course.

This course will be hosted at specific times. Please call the store @ 609-296-4080 to schedule your course, YOU MUST STATE YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE THE COURSE TO REQUALIFY AND YOU HAVE PROOF OF YOUR INITIAL COURSE. Failure to provide proof at time of requalification, you will not be permitted to shoot.

DO NOT CALL IF YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO SCHEDULE FOR THIS COMING WEEK, once the week is full we will start the following week. We have time! Do not panic!

Holsters are REQUIRED to requalify. You must bring a holster with the gun you intend to use for the qualification course.

Please be PATIENT as we try to get everyone scheduled as quickly as possible, we have qualified so many customers in the last year.

DISCLAIMER!!!!!

RUDENESS WILL NOT BE TOLERATED! Please be patient & kind. Our staff will be overwhelmed by phone calls.

The CCARE course must be completed by December 31st.

We will be giving the FREE course starting tomorrow September 29th.

Due to the changes in length of the course & instruction given we will be increasing the price of initial qualification courses to $120 beginning October 1st. Our instructors have and always will give you the most up to date information supplied to us.

Thank you for making it to the bottom of our post!

 

[xXxplosive 824]

23 hours ago, xXxplosive said:

....so who really knows what's going on....omo.

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[xXxplosive 824]

On 9/18/2023 at 4:27 PM, Grima Squeakersen said:

I have a recent email from the range where I qualified (Shooters) stipulating on behalf of my instructor, Dave Cope, and themselves, that my qualification complies with the current requirements and will remain vaild through the expiration of my permit in 2024. Since I also have USLS coverage, I will continue to carry without losing any sleep over this issue (or non-issue, if you prefer).

Ooops...........

[dajonga 397]

Dajonga disclaimer... I work at Shooters.

Dajonga's summary of the big takeaways here...

- Don't be mean to us. We know this sucks. We know it is BS. We know the AG and Murphy suck, but we don't want to hear it every single time we take a call. Please, no profanity. We do not like this any more than you do.... We like it less, in fact. This creates more work for us. Be patient, be kind. Be a jerk to us and you will likely be asked to take your business elsewhere.

- Please do not call the store to ask questions about what is clearly stated above.... Our phones ring off the hook already. If every one of the nearly 4000 people who have qualified with us calls, it will be chaos.

- Only call the shop to schedule your qual. Clearly state that you are scheduling for a re-qualification or an initial qualification

- If you can prove you took your qualification with Shooters, you get to reshoot for free. NO EXCEPTIONS! As a serious gun owner in NJ who is accustomed to all of the insane paperwork needed to own guns in NJ, if you failed to keep a copy of your qual and/or your receipt, you have made a mistake. Be a grownup, admit you made a mistake & learn from it. Yes, we have a copy of your Qual in our records. No, we will not go up to the offices looking through thousands of pages of paperwork to provide a copy for you. 

- You will need a holster. 

- You will shoot 50 rounds.. 10 rounds each at 3, 5, 7, 10 & 15 yards in 5 round strings. There are no time restrictions

- The requal is shooting only and will only take 20 minutes or so.

- If you are shooting the qual for the first time or have lost your paperwork and need to take the whole thing again, the price for the classroom and shooting has increased from $90 to $120.

[xXxplosive 824]

Hmmm.....4000 quals @ 100 bucks ea. ....looks like 400,000.00 $$$ for .....Yowza.

[dajonga 397]

14 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

Hmmm.....4000 quals @ 100 bucks ea. ....looks like 400,000.00 $$$ for .....Yowza.

Not quite sure where you are going with this one.....

 

 

[kc17 622]

15 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

Hmmm.....4000 quals @ 100 bucks ea. ....looks like 400,000.00 $$$ for .....Yowza.

 

Just now, dajonga said:

Not quite sure where you are going with this one.....

 

 

Agreed, Shooters is doing requals at no charge. 

[antimatter 139]

inside or outside holster?

 

[124gr9mm 859]

56 minutes ago, dajonga said:

Dajonga disclaimer... I work at Shooters.

Dajonga's summary of the big takeaways here...

- Don't be mean to us. We know this sucks. We know it is BS. We know the AG and Murphy suck, but we don't want to hear it every single time we take a call. Please, no profanity. We do not like this any more than you do.... We like it less, in fact. This creates more work for us. Be patient, be kind. Be a jerk to us and you will likely be asked to take your business elsewhere.

- Please do not call the store to ask questions about what is clearly stated above.... Our phones ring off the hook already. If every one of the nearly 4000 people who have qualified with us calls, it will be chaos.

- Only call the shop to schedule your qual. Clearly state that you are scheduling for a re-qualification or an initial qualification

- If you can prove you took your qualification with Shooters, you get to reshoot for free. NO EXCEPTIONS! As a serious gun owner in NJ who is accustomed to all of the insane paperwork needed to own guns in NJ, if you failed to keep a copy of your qual and/or your receipt, you have made a mistake. Be a grownup, admit you made a mistake & learn from it. Yes, we have a copy of your Qual in our records. No, we will not go up to the offices looking through thousands of pages of paperwork to provide a copy for you. 

- You will need a holster. 

- You will shoot 50 rounds.. 10 rounds each at 3, 5, 7, 10 & 15 yards in 5 round strings. There are no time restrictions

- The requal is shooting only and will only take 20 minutes or so.

- If you are shooting the qual for the first time or have lost your paperwork and need to take the whole thing again, the price for the classroom and shooting has increased from $90 to $120.

I think it's GREAT that you're taking care of people like this.

For folks who qualified after July 21 and received the SP 182 (but not the new SP 182 with CCARE) do they still have to requal?

[1LtCAP 4,264]

59 minutes ago, xXxplosive said:

Hmmm.....4000 quals @ 100 bucks ea. ....looks like 400,000.00 $$$ for .....Yowza.

and they'll probably be lucky for a 2% net profit. if they manage to do more than break even.......

[dajonga 397]

2 hours ago, 124gr9mm said:

I think it's GREAT that you're taking care of people like this.

For folks who qualified after July 21 and received the SP 182 (but not the new SP 182 with CCARE) do they still have to requal?

I believe so.

At issue with the pre CCARE (SEPT 17, 2023) Shooters qualification is Shooters never did any holster work before. Now we are being forced to do it.

[dajonga 397]

2 hours ago, antimatter said:

inside or outside holster?

 

I do not think it matters, only that it be secure.

Keep in mind, an OWB holster can be considered concealed if covered with a long shirt or jacket.

[124gr9mm 859]

3 minutes ago, dajonga said:

I believe so.

At issue with the pre CCARE (SEPT 17, 2023) Shooters qualification is Shooters never did any holster work before. Now we are being forced to do it.

Got it.

Kudos for the way you're taking care of this.  I'll be shooting my re-qual this weekend...

[dajonga 397]

I am sorry if this thread has turned into a Shooters FAQ... that was not my intention.

I just want to add some clarity to the confusion.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

What a confusing mess the state has made of this!  Personally, I'm going to sit back and wait to see how things shake out over the next couple of months.

[Combat Auto 174]

21 hours ago, dajonga said:

Dajonga disclaimer... I work at Shooters.

Dajonga's summary of the big takeaways here...

- Don't be mean to us. We know this sucks. We know it is BS. We know the AG and Murphy suck, but we don't want to hear it every single time we take a call. Please, no profanity. We do not like this any more than you do.... We like it less, in fact. This creates more work for us. Be patient, be kind. Be a jerk to us and you will likely be asked to take your business elsewhere.

- Please do not call the store to ask questions about what is clearly stated above.... Our phones ring off the hook already. If every one of the nearly 4000 people who have qualified with us calls, it will be chaos.

- Only call the shop to schedule your qual. Clearly state that you are scheduling for a re-qualification or an initial qualification

- If you can prove you took your qualification with Shooters, you get to reshoot for free. NO EXCEPTIONS! As a serious gun owner in NJ who is accustomed to all of the insane paperwork needed to own guns in NJ, if you failed to keep a copy of your qual and/or your receipt, you have made a mistake. Be a grownup, admit you made a mistake & learn from it. Yes, we have a copy of your Qual in our records. No, we will not go up to the offices looking through thousands of pages of paperwork to provide a copy for you. 

- You will need a holster. 

- You will shoot 50 rounds.. 10 rounds each at 3, 5, 7, 10 & 15 yards in 5 round strings. There are no time restrictions

- The requal is shooting only and will only take 20 minutes or so.

- If you are shooting the qual for the first time or have lost your paperwork and need to take the whole thing again, the price for the classroom and shooting has increased from $90 to $120.

I would think most folks who didn't keep a copy of their Shooters Qual can get it from their PD. My PD had us give them a copy of it.

 

[dajonga 397]

55 minutes ago, Combat Auto said:

I would think most folks who didn't keep a copy of their Shooters Qual can get it from their PD. My PD had us give them a copy of it.

 

Correct, that is an option I forgot about.

[Combat Auto 174]

4 hours ago, dajonga said:

Correct, that is an option I forgot about.

Is the RE-qual done indoors or outdoors and is it one person at a time or a line-up of people?

[dajonga 397]

7 hours ago, Combat Auto said:

Is the RE-qual done indoors or outdoors and is it one person at a time or a line-up of people?

Indoors.

As for how many people are on the line, I do not know. I have been off for a few days and have not witnessed the Re-Qual in action.

[124gr9mm 859]

17 hours ago, dajonga said:

Indoors.

As for how many people are on the line, I do not know. I have been off for a few days and have not witnessed the Re-Qual in action.

About 10 at a time. 

VERY well done. It's almost like an assembly line.  You get a briefing in the classroom about the course of fire and how guns will be handled, then you go in and shoot. 

When you're done shooting there's already  another group sitting in the classroom behind you, briefed and waiting to go shoot.

One guy in my squad didn't pass, so this is not just an administrative exercise.  You have to demonstrate safe handling and hit 40 out of 50.

This is a fantastic response by Shooters.