DTtuner 21 Posted July 13, 2012 As the title says. Are they legal in NJ? If so, what are the requirements besides 15 round magazine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted July 13, 2012 As the title says. Are they legal in NJ? If so, what are the requirements besides 15 round magazine? 2 strikes against it - Weight and Magazine outside of the pistol grip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted July 13, 2012 No. The weapon hits the maximum weight requirement and it has a magazine well that is outside of the pistol grip. If it makes you feel any better, the Ruger 10/22 Charger is illegal as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenix_iii 0 Posted July 13, 2012 You can have magazine outside the pistol grip... the weight is the killer. Where are we seeing outside the grip is a no-no... I really need to print the stupid statutes. Question, if you have the upper and lower but keep one half at your house and the other half at some one elses house and they never 'meet', is that considered constructive intent/having all the parts to assemble? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DTtuner 21 Posted July 13, 2012 Weight?? I've never heard of weight as a delimiting factor before. Length, sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mcbethr 42 Posted July 13, 2012 I'd go find the statute, but I'm at work. Cue Vlad in 3...2...1... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted July 13, 2012 Weight?? I've never heard of weight as a delimiting factor before. Length, sure. Then you may benefit from reading the laws... ii. A semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has atleast two of the following: (1) An ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip; (2) A threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer; (3) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned; (4) Manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded; and/or (5) A semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm; and Everyone here forgot about #3 as well, as some AR pistols come with a handguard. There IS an AR15 pistol that came without the handguard, and managed to be under 50 ounces unloaded. That left the only strike to be the magazine, which would make it legal. I believe it was the Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted July 13, 2012 Never mind - misread title. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 13, 2012 This is what one looks like! And they're fun as hell to shoot Lots of muzzle flash (only a 7.5" barrel) and lots of noise! But so little recoil (it's a .223, after all) Single point sling on the stud at the back (under the tube) lets you push/pull with either 2 hands on the pistol grip (like a handgun) or one around the front of the mag/magwell (my 15 rounders are longer than the one in the photo) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nino 0 Posted July 13, 2012 Anything cool you can not own in jersey!!! Simple way to put it. Working at a gun store I tell all customers that n really it's bs bc we pay n legalize everything while gang bangers get everything off the streets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 0 Posted July 13, 2012 This is what one looks like! And they're fun as hell to shoot Lots of muzzle flash (only a 7.5" barrel) and lots of noise! But so little recoil (it's a .223, after all) Single point sling on the stud at the back (under the tube) lets you push/pull with either 2 hands on the pistol grip (like a handgun) or one around the front of the mag/magwell (my 15 rounders are longer than the one in the photo) Ok, maybe this is just the geek in me, but does anyone else think of Han Solo when they see that thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiPop33 2 Posted July 13, 2012 Didn't they discontinue the model that was legal in NJ? If so, can you custom build your own AR pistol to NJ compliances? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clintoon Eastwood 2 Posted July 13, 2012 Nice, me likey, I want one.... Do I need a PP for this too? I'm guessing yes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted July 13, 2012 Didn't they discontinue the model that was legal in NJ? If so, can you custom build your own AR pistol to NJ compliances? Maybe with this ATI Omni lower (ATI Press Release)... The Omni is a multi-caliber AR15 lower made of reinforced polymer. It is designed after a mil-spec lower and is compatible with most current AR15 lower parts kits, grips and stocks. Made with a high-grade durable polymer material, the Omni can withstand harsh environments as well as everyday wear and tear. The Omni lower will be available with either a complete finished kit including all lower internal parts and collapsible stock, or as a stripped lower. It has tested reliably with .22, .556, and .410, but is not recommended for higher calibers. The Omni stripped lower has an MSRP of just $49.95 while the complete finished kit has an MSRP of $129.95. The Omni will be available in a color choice of black or dark earth. Have fun. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted July 13, 2012 Ok, maybe this is just the geek in me, but does anyone else think of Han Solo when they see that thing? Nope. Show me a Broomhandle Mauser though, and I'll say yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted July 13, 2012 Just bought a polymer lower, perhaps I should investigate some "lightweight" pistol uppers. Edit: Hrmm, what happens if I build a pistol without ever having had a P2P for it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 13, 2012 Just bought a polymer lower, perhaps I should investigate some "lightweight" pistol uppers. Edit: Hrmm, what happens if I build a pistol without ever having had a P2P for it? You are executed by the Government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 13, 2012 BTW, I have stripped AR polymer lowers that can transfer on a P2P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Turbotezza 1 Posted July 13, 2012 You'll need a polymer/carbon upper too to make the weight. Perhaps this link would be helpful to those potential builders. https://docs.google....MVE&hl=en#gid=0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted July 15, 2012 You'll need a polymer/carbon upper too to make the weight. Perhaps this link would be helpful to those potential builders. https://docs.google....MVE&hl=en#gid=0 Just FYI. Every weight on that chart I can compare to like parts I have weighed myself are wrong. My scale agrees with multiple other folks who have weighed parts individually that we have in common. Most less than an ounce. Some are right. Some match manufacturer numbers for something other than what that chart says it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted July 15, 2012 BTW, I have stripped AR polymer lowers that can transfer on a P2P. Interesting..so the lower since it transfers as the "Pistol" is absolutely within the "Manufactured Weight" Does that make the rest of the build doesnt have to adhere to any weight limits?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 15, 2012 Interesting..so the lower since it transfers as the "Pistol" is absolutely within the "Manufactured Weight" Does that make the rest of the build doesnt have to adhere to any weight limits?? We can only wish .,, But afraid not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted July 16, 2012 We can only wish .,, But afraid not Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted July 16, 2012 Interesting..so the lower since it transfers as the "Pistol" is absolutely within the "Manufactured Weight" Does that make the rest of the build doesnt have to adhere to any weight limits?? That's actually not a bad theory... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 16, 2012 It is not manufactured until it is built into a pistol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 17, 2012 But with a polymer upper/lower pair and some ingenuity, one could yield a jersey-legal ar pistol! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted July 17, 2012 It is not manufactured until it is built into a pistol. SHHHHHH!!!!!!! don't give the NJSP any ideas, licenses are required for manufacturing. This is just adding parts to a receiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted July 17, 2012 i don't know if Bushmaster is still selling that carbon 15 type 97 AR pistol, And that was Jersey legal because it met the weight/evil features requirement. In fact, there was one on sale in this forum a year ago, I missed out because I didn't have a permit handy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 17, 2012 There are no longer any NJ legal pistols being commercially produced. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites