Another problem from the Storm

[Maksim 1,504]

Ok, someone got a timeout for being an ignoranus.

 

In any case, Al, I feel for you. The good news is... there is no record of your recent purchases. lol. Maybe trenton should be flooded, and then the state will operate the way it was supposed to, you know, actually destroy the records.

 

My town did not do permits for a few weeks after storm, and just getting to it now, and they do it once a week. Felt bad bothering them.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

TK brought up a very good point about issuing authorities not performing their duties in terms of Permits and what not. I have zero complaints here because my PD get's it done on time, but to have people sitting around for 6+ months isn't even excusable unless of course there is some circumstance with the person applying or in this case a PD that is barely operating. I mean imagine if you worked in the private sector, had a month to complete a job that took you 2 weeks at most to do, and you took 6 months to actually do it.... You wouldn't keep that job very long. AND plenty of people work on salary and work extra hours with out being compensated to get their work done. NJ picked this system and they shouldn't be making excuses for it's short comings, these PD's should either be complaining that they don't have the resources to do it, or find someway to get them done in 30 days with out having to pretend the FBI or state is taking months to do a background check. IMO policemen represent the law. If KPD's pd can't issue permits because of this disaster then the state should be taking immediate action and advise people to temporarily use the NJSP so they can continue to represent the law. Maybe i'm just pointing out the obvious flaw that we all see with the permit system and i don't want to get into the bureaucratic BS that takes place in a PD. Now for one second just imagine if the PD's complained hard enough and they did reform the system for the worse, imagine if the state gave them 6 months to issue.....

 

there was no reason to turn this into an us vs them thread, almost all of the responses in here could have been worded in a civil way that got your point across. The fact is your rights don't cease because of an emergency, even if the state or fed believe otherwsie, and the STATE should recognize that, they should also recognize that placing the responsibility on individual PD's is a huge short coming for any number of reasons. And yes, im smoking crack.

 

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[jrfly3006 42]

Lets all calm down and take a breath..hundreds of people lost everything and are now living in shelters..and we're worried about permits?...really?...this type of disaster isnt all that common so why dont we have maybe just a smidge of patience here..is the whole permit system a complete waste of time and money?..absolutely...no argument here...we all know the system wont change..no matter how much lobbying is done by local PD..and everyone wanted leaner municipal budgets..where workers have to multi-task...well you got it..and when SHTF people are reassigned to other duties..and please stop telling me how efficient and accountable the Private sector is..worked in it for 10yrs..plenty of friends now working in various industries..gobs of ass covering/kissing and perks..do I complain about their $50 per meal allowance..stadium suites..private black cars at airports...no way..great for them..and because I buy products from companys they work for..do I get to say I pay their salary...nope..were not socialists....yet..

[jamesbod 0]

Today, the primary value of law enforcement to a community is to be a revenue stream. Until this changes the us vs them mentality will continue to grow.

Yes, less time chasing down speeders & more time solving real crimes.

[hd2000fxdl 422]

OK smart ass, here is the deal. I have no desire to become a tax feeding, entitled, elitist douchebag but I am tired of them acting like some sort of martyr for their "sacrifice" to "protect" me from myself. Give up the ridiculous pay, benefits and pension and volunteer your service and I might have a little more respect for you. In the interim defend bs laws and bureaucratic regulations contrary to the rights and liberties of law abiding citizens and their freedom to protect and defend themselves, their families and property and I'll continue to call you on being and/or supporting the douchebags that do. UmOK smart ass?

 

Dude, Chill, if you ever meet some of the current and retired LEO's on this forum, you would know that every single one of them I have met from here are stand up good guys who also enjoy firearms like we all do here. Especially the ones in this thread.

[Handyman 5,682]

TK brought up a very good point about issuing authorities not performing their duties in terms of Permits and what not. I have zero complaints here because my PD get's it done on time, but to have people sitting around for 6+ months isn't even excusable unless of course there is some circumstance with the person applying or in this case a PD that is barely operating. I mean imagine if you worked in the private sector, had a month to complete a job that took you 2 weeks at most to do, and you took 6 months to actually do it.... You wouldn't keep that job very long.

 

Exactly. Either follow the law or change the law. Next time you have 30 days to pay a traffic violation, tell the court you can't get around to it for 90 days and see how that works. Doesn't the front of the Supreme Court read "Equal Justice Under Law?" I guess there should be a footnote "*unless you are a government authority."

 

If a cyclone wipes out a town's ability to function I can see permits being delayed. But in many towns permits are habitually delayed - that is to say, our rights are infringed upon - because to observe our rights is an inconvenience. Maybe an LEO on here can answer: how long does it really take to process an application? If I bring you an application and you have nothing else to do, how long does it take to make the calls/faxes/whatever? 20 minutes?

[A-Tech 8]

 

Obviously the sarcasm wasn't high enough in what I said. Apologies as I am the farthest thing from what was said. It was meant as "oh not again" kind of thing.

[djg0770 481]

Lets all calm down and take a breath..hundreds of people lost everything and are now living in shelters..and we're worried about permits?...really?...this type of disaster isnt all that common so why dont we have maybe just a smidge of patience here..

 

Uh ok - so if instead, because of a state of emergency, your right to worship at your church was blocked? Or your right to free speech? Or your right to remain silent??

 

KPD actually was spot on - there's no reason the state can't step in an fix this in an instant and RESTORE OUR RIGHTS. My point originally was that had Keansburg PD turned around his application within the timeline he wouldn't be saying anything right now. And his point (clearly) was that my point was accessory to the case really cause even if he HAD obtained his permits someone else can't apply RIGHT NOW, and that's the ultimate point.

 

Will the state step in and fix this? On their priority list, it's below the 1,000,000th task.

[jrfly3006 42]

Exactly..one thing learned may be that other depts can process when a local PD looses capability to do so..100% agreed..problem I have here was the comments by a predictable few that LE is using this situation to actively restrict 2a rights..and that they derive some enjoyment out of it...yes the system sucks and is unfair..but the richard head politicians created this process...believe me when I say that cops would rather not be in the business of issuing permits

[jamesbod 0]

Uh ok - so if instead, because of a state of emergency, your right to worship at your church was blocked? Or your right to free speech? Or your right to remain silent??

KPD actually was spot on - there's no reason the state can't step in an fix this in an instant and RESTORE OUR RIGHTS.

 

These township folks can do anything. You just have to pay more property taxes to hire more staff.

All these guys here are saying that there are priorities & our gun ownership rights are in the back burner after an emergency.

At least you regained power in X # of days, right? Would you rather have heat or a pistol permit?

[A-Tech 8]

Would you rather have heat or a pistol permit?

 

Can't believe it took this long to make this point. Essentially, THIS, is what it all boils down to. The wants of a few, or the necessities of everyone else. I know the OP wasn't being pushy but some of the other comments made here are just outright selfish. Drive through the shore area and then see how important your permit wait time is.

[jrfly3006 42]

 

 

These township folks can do anything. You just have to pay more property taxes to hire more staff.

All these guys here are saying that there are priorities & our gun ownership rights are in the back burner after an emergency.

At least you regained power in X # of days, right? Would you rather have heat or a pistol permit?

 

 

Can't believe it took this long to make this point. Essentially, THIS, is what it all boils down to. The wants of a few, or the necessities of everyone else. I know the OP wasn't being pushy but some of the other comments made here are just outright selfish. Drive through the shore area and then see how important your permit wait time is.

 

^^^^^^Bravo!!!!^^^

[PeteF 1,044]

Can't believe it took this long to make this point. Essentially, THIS, is what it all boils down to. The wants of a few, or the necessities of everyone else. I know the OP wasn't being pushy but some of the other comments made here are just outright selfish. Drive through the shore area and then see how important your permit wait time is.

 

Are you kidding me? Police don't get power restored. Police don't get gas lines repaired. In a area of emergency they try to get things to go as smoothly and safely as possible.

But guess what issuing permits IS PART OF THE DEPARTMENTS JOB. Why should this part of the job be any lower than responding to a minor fender bender, writing a parking ticket etc.

[djg0770 481]

At least you regained power in X # of days, right? Would you rather have heat or a pistol permit?

 

Took longer to restore power than to get my last round of permits. Seriously.

[jrfly3006 42]

 

 

Are you kidding me? Police don't get power restored. Police don't get gas lines repaired. In a area of emergency they try to get things to go as smoothly and safely as possible.

But guess what issuing permits IS PART OF THE DEPARTMENTS JOB. Why should this part of the job be any lower than responding to a minor fender bender, writing a parking ticket etc.

Were you a cop working in the devastated areas? You sound like such an expert in police duties in times of emergency. This should be in the papers "GUN OWNERS UPSET AT DELAYS IN PISTOL PERMITS--WANT POLICE TO GET BACK TO THEIR DESK". That would go a long way helping the pro-gun cause in this state.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Were you a cop working in the devastated areas? You sound like such an expert in police duties in times of emergency. This should be in the papers "GUN OWNERS UPSET AT DELAYS IN PISTOL PERMITS--WANT POLICE TO GET BACK TO THEIR DESK". That would go a long way helping the pro-gun cause in this state.

I don't think the PD's should be held accountable for the delay in permits because they have other work to take care of because of the storm... The STATE should be held accountable for this.. they decided to place a system that barely works on a normal day, let alone the complete collapse of the the system when there is an emergency. Trample the rights of a few....

The state puts an unnecessary burden on the PD's, you have multiple agencies in the process which makes it extremely inconsistent unreliable and inefficient.

 

WE did have the police escorting power crews and DPW crews all over town so they did take part in the restoration process, they also probably received 50x the normal calls per day. In fact we thanked our local PD for finally getting a power crew to our house to fix our power line that had a tree on it, it was a serious fire hazard and the power company never responded. 2 house down from me an elderly man died when a tree fell on his power line and caught the house on fire during last years storm.

[BlueLineFish 615]

Yeah cause permits are more important than other essential tasks like stopping looters, escorting food and fuel trucks, making sure power crews can work safe and the like. Sorry if permit paperwork is not high on the priority list.

[BlueLineFish 615]

I agree local depts should be out of the permit process. They aren't so deal with it. They prioritize.

[KpdPipes 388]

Can't believe it took this long to make this point. Essentially, THIS, is what it all boils down to. The wants of a few, or the necessities of everyone else. I know the OP wasn't being pushy but some of the other comments made here are just outright selfish. Drive through the shore area and then see how important your permit wait time is.

 

My ppoint is, and was this isnt a short-term problem..for those of us affected it is a LONG TERM problem. Right no my local dept is looking at months before they can get back to "Normal" operations. In the mean time they're operating out of a trailer in a church parking lot. Nobody is jumping up and down and demanding permits right now..but what happens, 2 or 4 or 6 months down the road?The easiest thing all around would be to allow residents of affected communities to use NJSP until the PD's are back up..the question is whether or not it'll be allowed.

[KpdPipes 388]

Are you kidding me? Police don't get power restored. Police don't get gas lines repaired. In a area of emergency they try to get things to go as smoothly and safely as possible. But guess what issuing permits IS PART OF THE DEPARTMENTS JOB. Why should this part of the job be any lower than responding to a minor fender bender, writing a parking ticket etc.

 

The agencies we are talking about have NO FACILITIS..NO records, NO computers...Nothing. If you want to **** about wait times start your own thread and stop trolling mine.

[BlueLineFish 615]

Plus..a lot of agencies that are up and running are helping other agencies. I know my dept helped jersey city for a few weeks and now we are going to help out down south

[PeteF 1,044]

The agencies we are talking about have NO FACILITIS..NO records, NO computers...Nothing. If you want to **** about wait times start your own thread and stop trolling mine.

 

Any other responsibilities the department has that they should stop doing?

 

Some how payroll is done, 911 service is done, I guess having 1 lieutenant/detective from the town doing a job that they have to do BY LAW is asking too much.

 

No I am not bashing any given LEO, but a department that says we are too busy, or it's too low of a priority is taking a slackers approach to doing THEIR JOB.

 

Last year my towns PD was flooded and caught fire during Irene. All PD functions were moved to a bunch of temporary trailers setup 2 days after the storm. Somehow they were able to continue with permits from the temporary trailers. They took ZERO time longer to process applications than before the storm.

[jrfly3006 42]

Good heavens some people are hopeless...get on with your life..youll get your handguns....Im sure those in FEMA housing will be thrilled to know their depts are getting back to important things

[Jon 264]

Okay, this has gone on long enough.