Firearmageddon: Lessons Learned.

[SgtToadette 59]

So I was having an interesting conversation at work today about the current state of the firearm industry. In dealing with ammunition and firearm shortages, I think there's a lot of lessons we can take away from this situation.

 

I think concepts of ammunition commonality and supply can be very important to look at. Within a few weeks after Newtown, almost all the popular ammunition was run dry or prohibitively expensive. So many of us buy guns specifically for tactical roles like self-defense and SHTF scenarios, and we generally choose guns that shoot ammunition we perceive to be commonly available.

 

In a SHTF situation, the economy is rendered either permanently or temporarily inoperable, thus resupply of ammunition from manufacturers will be excluded from the equation along with supply from non-local sources like internet vendors. It may actually be beneficial in these types of situations to make use of obscure ammunition, unless you intend to obtain ammunition through...ahem...offensive means.

 

It should also become more clear that it is in an individual's interest to have a reasonably sized stockpile of ammunition set aside specifically for a situation where ammunition is needed, SHTF or otherwise.

 

I think there are other aspects to consider that are being demonstrated in this current situation, and I'd like to hear how it has changed your guys' attitudes for the future.

[jm1827 284]

For me it reaffirmed my need to get back into re-loading

[BlueLineFish 615]

Reaffirmed i need to hoard even more. Ammo and guns

[RobertJames 14]

Reaffirmed i need to hoard even more. Ammo and guns

 

Is that even possible? I mean is there anything you don't own? :lol3

[BlueLineFish 615]

yes. A bunch more guns and a ton more ammo. Trying to hurry up on getting the guns so i can just concentrate on ammo

[RobertJames 14]

I saw several thousand small rifle primers for sale today, and I kind of regret not buying some. However, everyone is out of .224 bulletts. I hope the primers are still there when I go back.

 

On the up side, I'm getting an 11-87 Premier. :wild:

[JustJoe 0]

Get ammo, lots of it. And a couple of more guns.

[RobertJames 14]

Get ammo, lots of it. And a lot more guns.

 

Fixified

[Malice4you 627]

I'd stuck to "common" calibers with all my purchases prior to Newtown, figuring I'd be saving money on ammo. I'd planned to eventually get some other calibers, but after seeing how bare the shelves are of all my common calibers, I decided to start adding less common stuff to my collection, as much as I can afford to...

 

Not that .40 S&W, .357 Sig, or 10mm aren't common as well, but they're less commonly used than 9mm and .45ACP...

 

I have started looking into reloading, but I don't think I can afford to do so at this point...

[SgtToadette 59]

I'd stuck to "common" calibers with all my purchases prior to Newtown, figuring I'd be saving money on ammo. I'd planned to eventually get some other calibers, but after seeing how bare the shelves are of all my common calibers, I decided to start adding less common stuff to my collection, as much as I can afford to...

 

Not that .40 S&W, .357 Sig, or 10mm aren't common as well, but they're less commonly used than 9mm and .45ACP...

 

I have started looking into reloading, but I don't think I can afford to do so at this point...

 

This was exactly the point I was trying to drive home. Even owning a .40S&W firearm with a .357sig barrel would be a good idea. Variety is never a bad thing when options are limited.

[Iggyort 44]

Lessons learned from “ The Great Panic of 2012 “

 

Maintain a minimum of 6,000 rounds of:

• .223
  
• 9mm
  
• .40 S&W
  
• .45ACP
  
• 
  

Maintain a minimum of 500 of:

• OO Buckshot Shells
  

Maintain a minimum of 12,000 rounds of:

• .22LR
  

 

Replace ammunition as soon as it is used

 

Have enough components to reload 6k of all calibers listed above

 

Have a minimum of ten magazines for each critical firearm

 

Have enough spare parts to include, spare bolts , firing pins,springs ,pins, magazine spare parts and charging handles to keep all critical firearms working

[SgtToadette 59]

Have enough spare parts to include, spare bolts , firing pins,springs ,pins, magazine spare parts and charging handles to keep all critical firearms working

 

I wanted to mention that, too. I placed an order for my AR upper about a week ago and plan to purchase a spare BCG, which is especially important since my AR will be using a lot of proprietary parts.

[SpacemanFry 51]

Anybody wanna band together and buy/make an ammunition plant?

[hd2000fxdl 422]

yes. A bunch more guns and a ton OR more ammo. Trying to hurry up on getting the guns so i can just concentrate on ammo

 

Added the word you missed, your welcome.

 

 

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[SgtToadette 59]

Anybody wanna band together and buy/make an ammunition plant?

 

Somehow I don't think the state of New Jersey would approve.

[Dan 177]

Stashing ammo and components when they are readily available is no longer a tin-foil hat activity.

 

It seems lately that lots of ex-tinfoil hat stuff is now real stuff.

[71ragtopgoat 23]

6000 rnds is an awful lot. What would you do with it if SHTF I mean you cant really bug out with 40,000 rounds of ammo.

And if you got in a situation where you needed it you would be giving it away to fellow defenders.

[ClangClang 14]

It depends on what you think is really coming down the pike. In a true Bug Out SHTF situation (say, another Hurricane Sandy) folks like BLF above are going to lose $50K in guns and ammo to rising flood waters. I don't think there's anything wrong with hoarding, but I don't really see the point in it, other than as a hobby or as collecting.

 

If America gets the total shaft on new gun control with regard to transfers, large gun collections will instantly depreciate heavily.

 

Some people here have 30-40 or more guns (which is rad). But I would rather stop buying guns at 15 and start spending the rest of my time and money on taking courses with the best trainers in the country. That would be way more worthwhile than adding a 41st gun to the safe.

[Handyman 5,682]

Somehow I don't think the state of New Jersey would approve.

 

Somehow I think a lot of us might not care what the State of NJ thinks much longer.

[SgtToadette 59]

Somehow I think a lot of us might not care what the State of NJ thinks much longer.

 

[Maksim 1,504]

45 GAP.... yup.... Gaston Glock sucks suck it. You can find 45 gap ammo. What now? lol

 

In all seriousness, This is why you stock up on a year or two years worth of reloading components. The ability to know you can produce ammo if you need to... priceless.

[JustJoe 0]

Lessons learned from “ The Great Panic of 2012 “

 

Maintain a minimum of 6,000 rounds of:

• .223
  
• 9mm
  
• .40 S&W
  
• .45ACP
  
• 
  

Maintain a minimum of 500 of:

• OO Buckshot Shells
  

Maintain a minimum of 12,000 rounds of:

• .22LR
  

 

Replace ammunition as soon as it is used

 

Have enough components to reload 6k of all calibers listed above

 

Have a minimum of ten magazines for each critical firearm

 

Have enough spare parts to include, spare bolts , firing pins,springs ,pins, magazine spare parts and charging handles to keep all critical firearms working

 

Dayum brosef. I want to be on your side when the shotin' starts.

[Iggyort 44]

Dayum brosef. I want to be on your side when the shotin' starts.

 

 

Shooting starts???

Please relax with your SHTF fantasies.

Most members here shoot three matches a month with an average 275 rounds per match

That equals to 825 rounds a month times 9 months of the competition season = 7,425 rounds without including any practice

 

Suddenly 6k of ammo does not seem like a lot of ammo during shortages

 

 

No we can go back to the SHTF fantasies

[BleedingOrange36 0]

 

 

Shooting starts???

Please relax with your SHTF fantasies.

 

 

No we can go back to the SHTF fantasies

[JustJoe 0]

Shooting starts???

Please relax with your SHTF fantasies.

Most members here shoot three matches a month with an average 275 rounds per match

That equals to 825 rounds a month times 9 months of the competition season = 7,425 rounds without including any practice

 

Suddenly 6k of ammo does not seem like a lot of ammo during shortages

 

 

No we can go back to the SHTF fantasies

 

Dude, put it back inside your pants, cut back on the coffee. It was meant as a joke.

[BigHayden 77]

Some people here have 30-40 or more guns (which is rad). But I would rather stop buying guns at 15 and start spending the rest of my time and money on taking courses with the best trainers in the country. That would be way more worthwhile than adding a 41st gun to the safe.

 

Dude, 16 comes after 15.

 

I'm just f*%king with you.

[WVisHome 0]

I'm having a hell of a time finding 7mm-08 ammo.

 

I never in my life imagined that would be a hard caliber to find in a crunch, yet it's all gone....a lot of the online stuff is gone too.

 

 

I stopped at Gene's yesterday and bought primers and powder. I'll be placing my order for a press and dies tonight.

[Njbanshee 9]

I'm going to concentrate on getting two more specific rifles. I'm also going to concentrate on ammo and reloading components. I'm going to work on accessories for other guns I have. I will stop buying guns just to build my collection.

[RUTGERS95 890]

I'm going into reloading and loading up on that......

[incinerator950 0]

Ladies, you're both pretty.