NJGunGeek1980 1 Posted March 1, 2013 So I am in the process of getting my first AR15 and the shop i am getting it from is making it Jersey Compliant by pining the stock i asked them if it could be pined after i held the rifle so if i wanted it pined closer it could be they said no it had to be pined all the way back. No i have read the jersey law and i do not see any anything in there saying where it has to be pined just that it has to be. Can anyone shed some light on this thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BleedingOrange36 0 Posted March 1, 2013 It's probably already pinned there and they are trying to charge you extra to make it compliant..... Or not and they have no clue what they are talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted March 1, 2013 It can be pinned in any position you want it to be. If it's a "Compliant" model it may already be pinned at the furthest position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FLHX 1 Posted March 1, 2013 The stock can be pinned anywhere you want it, it just has to be pinned. I have gone into the shop I use the guy had my son shoulder the rifle multiple ways before he pinned the stock. I would drop in and ask to see the rifle to see what he is doing. This sounds fishy to me. I have never pinned a stock in the last position it not comfortable for me or my kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted March 1, 2013 Yes, this is correct. I blind pinned mine myself to the position I like to shoot it. I would take it somewhere else. If you are handy, you can pin it yourself. Its super easy. I purchased a roll pin assortment from amazon.com. PM me and I can walk you through it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted March 1, 2013 It's not the law. If they won't pin it where you like, call TJ Sporting Arms in Central Jersey. They will do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpacemanFry 51 Posted March 1, 2013 I'm curious, how are stocks pinned in place? How un-doable is the process? I've only dealt with fixed or fully adjustable (OOS) so I've never actually seen a pinned one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted March 1, 2013 Do tell...what shop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGunGeek1980 1 Posted March 1, 2013 Honestly would rather not say do not know if they visit these forums and don't want to cause any issues as they seem to have normal prices on stuff still and are not price gouging like everyone else. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pizza Bob 1,488 Posted March 1, 2013 Just ask them to show you the statute that says they have to be pinned in the fully extended position. They can't because there is none. Just points up the nonsense of the AWB - I can pin (sorry, not pine - unless you were looking for a wooden stock and we've all misunderstood ) a stock in the shortest position or the longest position, but cannot have it adjust from one to the other - makes no sense. Good luck - I wouldn't worry about offending the shop - they need to stop spreading misinformation, things are bad enough as they are. Adios, Pizza Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJ_ 0 Posted March 1, 2013 It is fairly easy to do yourself. I watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLSmCug0cxI and did mine without any issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
82ndAbnRVN 7 Posted March 1, 2013 Brick Armory? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted March 1, 2013 You have to remove the outer stock off the tube and determine a hidden location that you can drill in -between two lock positions with the stock in the location you wish. Remember that it has to be "blind pinned" where it can't be backed out. In the extension tube you only drill through one wall, not all the way through. It's a two step process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted March 1, 2013 Blind pinning is not necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nikos 31 Posted March 2, 2013 So I am in the process of getting my first AR15 and the shop i am getting it from is making it Jersey Compliant by pining the stock i asked them if it could be pined after i held the rifle so if i wanted it pined closer it could be they said no it had to be pined all the way back. No i have read the jersey law and i do not see any anything in there saying where it has to be pined just that it has to be. Can anyone shed some light on this thanks. What make & model AR are you purchasing? Stag, S&W and some other manufacturers sell compliant models that use a fixed stock which look like their collapsable counterparts. They're not pinned since there is only one position in the buffer tube that's fastened with a screw. If what you say is true, I would be suspicious of the FFL -- especially if you're being charged extra to make the AR compliant. Is he doing any compliancy work other than just "pinning" the stock? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted March 2, 2013 Tell that to a jersey judge. I can see it now... "Uh your honor, I didn't know the pin I put in my stock was removable" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holeshot 3 Posted March 2, 2013 Tell that to a jersey judge. I can see it now... "Uh your honor, I didn't know the pin I put in my stock was removable" I asked him and he didn't say a word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jto966 1 Posted March 2, 2013 It's not the law. If they won't pin it where you like, call TJ Sporting Arms in Central Jersey. They will do it. Do it yourself or take it to one the others suggested taking it to. JMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jto966 1 Posted March 2, 2013 Yes, this is correct. I blind pinned mine myself to the position I like to shoot it. I would take it somewhere else. If you are handy, you can pin it yourself. Its super easy. I purchased a roll pin assortment from amazon.com. PM me and I can walk you through it. It's not the law. If they won't pin it where you like, call TJ Sporting Arms in Central Jersey. They will do it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soju 153 Posted March 2, 2013 Does Pine make good stocks? I always thought pine was a softer wood and wouldn't be that good for a rifle stock. I guess I was thinking something like walnut would make a much better stock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted March 2, 2013 Actually I thought he was just pining over it ! :-). Oh no here we go Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted March 2, 2013 Blind pinning is not necessary. This. The law does not discribe HOW the stock should be made non-collapsable, only that the stock cannot collapse, or fold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted March 2, 2013 True but history of Nj shows that their mindset of pinning is the same as a muzzle device. Do you really want to get into a pissing contest with a judge about being able to remove a roll pin without destroying the the thing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted March 2, 2013 Show me 'history'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 2, 2013 Show me 'history'. *crickets* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alowerlevel 77 Posted March 2, 2013 Tell that to a jersey judge. I can see it now... "Uh your honor, I didn't know the pin I put in my stock was removable" Care to show where the law says that it has to be permanent? Hell not even a pinned and welded brake is permanent, I can get one off in about 2 minutes with a grinder. *crickets* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted March 2, 2013 I'm not trying to be an ass, just trying to establish fact from opinion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OfcrFek 21 Posted March 13, 2013 Ait, this is a little off topic, but I'm trying to get a pin out of a stock. More specifically a S&W M&P 15-22 pinned 6-point stock. From what I understand, there is no spring in the tube like a real AR, it's just hollow. I was told by the shop I bought it from I can remove it by drilling through the opposite side, and poking it through. Quite frankly, I don't want to do that. I somehow got it out before with no tools at all, and like an a$$hole, put it back in before putting on the 1-point sling adapter I bought. Now I can't seem to get it back out for the life of me, no matter what tools I try to use. ....any suggestions....? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,754 Posted March 13, 2013 Ait, this is a little off topic, but I'm trying to get a pin out of a stock. More specifically a S&W M&P 15-22 pinned 6-point stock. From what I understand, there is no spring in the tube like a real AR, it's just hollow. I was told by the shop I bought it from I can remove it by drilling through the opposite side, and poking it through. Quite frankly, I don't want to do that. I somehow got it out before with no tools at all, and like an a$$hole, put it back in before putting on the 1-point sling adapter I bought. Now I can't seem to get it back out for the life of me, no matter what tools I try to use. ....any suggestions....? You may be able to use an 'EZ Out', which is a screw extractor. It should bite into the roll pin, and compress it enough for you to remove the pin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted March 14, 2013 if you use a magpul stock with a friction lock (ctr, str etc), you don't need to drill the extension, just the friction lock as it will not allow the lever to unlock the stock if the friction lock is closed... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites