Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 To complement my for sale add since I can't post it there... http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php/classifieds/item/1060-complete-wet-tumbler-setup/ I still get asked about the cleaning process using stainless steel media. I had some really nasty brass that needed a good shine. Here's how I did it -- how the brass started... 1st I need to knock out the primers -- I dump a manageable load into a cookie tin to work with The hornady LNL set up to knock out primers -- That's a lee de-capping die Just feed and crank the handle -- doesn't take very long They are dirty... From the bin they get dumped into a long, thin, plastic bag. It's only 5+ pounds of brass in this load -- they where all winchester brass already separated -- figured I would keep them that way Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 From the bag, they go in the drum -- 5 pounds of brass gets 7 pounds of media -- I find about 2 pounds more media than brass works good The additives... Lemi Shine crystal, lemi shine rinse additive, small bathroom cup for liquid dish soap, and a 44 mag shell to measure the crystal -- I've been using the lemi shine rinse aid lately too -- It seems to help prevent spots on the clean brass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 A half of a cup of liquid dish detergent and a .44 mag shell full of lemi shine -- The drum is filled with cold to warm water and detergents dumped in -- Once everything is in, I top off the water level to here -- and seal it up -- This is a light load -- Just 5 pounds of brass -- I have done 11 pounds of brass with 13 pounds of media with this setup. Total weight of loaded drum Spin it --- Picture shows my tumbler, it's not the same as what I have for sale, was my 1st version Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 I let this load spin for 3.5 hours -- Generally I'll run 4 or 5 hours but since this load was so small I didn't need the run time 1st thing I do when it's rinsing time is to put used dryer sheets into the drain to catch any pins that escape. What it looks like when you 1st open it up -- Thats all thick soap suds Slowly dump off some of the black water... a look into the drum -- just a few cases pulled from the drum... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 Here's how I set up to separate the pins from the brass and rinse -- an old colander in a bucket with a cracked bottom -- On top of the bucket, I use a lyman media separator -- Since it's a small load I can dump the whole thing into the separator -- If it was an 11 pound load I would do it in 2 or 3 dumpings I mix the load around with my hands and most of the pins will drop out into the bucket -- you still get a few pins that stay inside of brass but a simple shake in your hands and you can hear if there are pins inside to rinse I use a bucket filled with water... Brass in the water, dumped into the separator, rinsed, and back in the bucket -- I do this 5 or 6 times Once rinsed it get dumped on a towel -- then into the brass separator and over the dehumidifier for 24 hours to dry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Respect2A 0 Posted October 4, 2013 So you copied the bigdawg tumbler almost to a T and now you are selling them on this forum? Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted October 4, 2013 It's a neat contraption...but just seems like WAAAYYY too much hassle for me...lol Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 So you copied the bigdawg tumbler almost to a T and now you are selling them on this forum? Interesting. Saw an idea and made it better, safer --- Thats what this world is built on Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 4, 2013 It's a neat contraption...but just seems like WAAAYYY too much hassle for me...lol I started reloading for precision rifle back in the late 80's -- I got it engrained into my system to clean primer pockets. I know a lot of you guys don't for pistol but I just couldn't get away from it This actually saves me time by cleaning those primer pockets for me -- does it matter? It does to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjd832 146 Posted October 4, 2013 I started reloading for precision rifle back in the late 80's -- I got it engrained into my system to clean primer pockets. I know a lot of you guys don't for pistol but I just couldn't get away from it This actually saves me time by cleaning those primer pockets for me -- does it matter? It does to me. They sure do look clean ..,that's for sure! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monmouth 19 Posted October 10, 2013 Thank you for the thread. You helped me with my clean brass/media seperation process. I use harbor freight dehydrators to dry brass and most of my brass still has primers in them. It also takes me 3 hours to tumble brass but I can dry it just as quickly with the dehydrators. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 10, 2013 Your welcome -- Be careful with the primers still in them, I believe they will corrode if not dried completely Why don't you knock out the primers 1st and get the benefit of clean primer pockets? Lee decapping die makes it easy. How many cases fit in a dehydrator? I've never seen one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nuclearheli 40 Posted October 10, 2013 Yup, only I bought the SS Media Kit from http://www.stainlesstumblingmedia.com/ about a year and a half ago. If you want to see the process in action watch their video on-line or on youtube. My brass comes out better than new every time. With my Dillon 650 and automatic case feeder I can remove the primers on the dirty cases in no time. About 3,000/hour. I put my clean cases in an Al deep pan and put them on the clothes dryer sneaker rack. Run the dryer for about 15 minutes and they are dry as a bone. I store them in containers with desiccant to keep them dry and shiny. Great system. I will never tumble with media again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted October 26, 2013 This thread is awesome, thank you for making it. One question I have is how do you attach the agitator inside the drum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 27, 2013 This thread is awesome, thank you for making it. One question I have is how do you attach the agitator inside the drum? The agitators are attached using stainless steel flat head screws and stainless washers with stainless nylock nuts all #10 The screws get drilled all the way thru both drum and agitator and then countersunck into the outside of the drum -- The trick is to do this 2" from the end of the pipe then the other fittings will seal the holes when glued on I have to make a drum tomorrow night, I'll take pictures Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Respect2A 0 Posted October 27, 2013 If you want to see how to make one visit the Brian Enos forums. You can see how to make one. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130815&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1 If you want to buy one then Google big dawg tumblers and buy one from him. Really nice guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 27, 2013 If you want to see how to make one visit the Brian Enos forums. You can see how to make one. http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=130815&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1 If you want to buy one then Google big dawg tumblers and buy one from him. Really nice guy. respect2a has some sort of relation to big dawg -- you don't like what I built -- stay the hell out of my thread I'll be at OBRPC tomorrow morning if you'd like to talk -- otherwise I'd appreciate if you keep you comments to yourself Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted October 27, 2013 Ive seen both the big dog, and heavyopps tumbler. heavyopps tumbler is better built and superb quality. I bought his and have no regrets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted October 27, 2013 respect2a has some sort of relation to big dawg -- you don't like what I built -- stay the hell out of my thread I'll be at OBRPC tomorrow morning if you'd like to talk -- otherwise I'd appreciate if you keep you comments to yourself "Meet you in the school yard at 3:15" see how silly it sounds? Let the guy comment nobody cares! Nice project informative. that's what this forum is about. BTW way too much work for me...LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
medic2264 11 Posted October 27, 2013 heavyopps tumbler is better built and superb quality. I bought his and have no regrets Same here, great product, and well built. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Respect2A 0 Posted October 27, 2013 This forum isn't meant for people to build a product and then sell it. If he wants to do so he should pony up the money and become a vendor. This thread basically amounts to an advertisement for his tumbler. Besides the fact that he stole someone's design and tried to pass it off as his own. Sure he might have made it a little better but that's not the point. The OP is just being bitchy at me because he knows what he did. Just getting tired of his constant " advertising" is all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted October 27, 2013 Besides the fact that he stole someone's design and tried to pass it off as his own. Sure he might have made it a little better but that's not the point. Actually, the world is full of people that saw someone else's design and "stole" it and improved on it. If BigDawg didn't patent his design, it's no harm, no foul. In fact, there are people who PURPOSELY don't patent their ideas. Those people generally fall into two categories - the first category is the person who doesn't want his "secret" available to the public in 17 yrs so that someone else can "steal" it. The second category is people who willingly share their ideas in order that the collective world can benefit from their design, knowing that their design may be knocked off or improved upon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Respect2A 0 Posted October 27, 2013 Actually, the world is full of people that saw someone else's design and "stole" it and improved on it. If BigDawg didn't patent his design, it's no harm, no foul. In fact, there are people who PURPOSELY don't patent their ideas. Those people generally fall into two categories - the first category is the person who doesn't want his "secret" available to the public in 17 yrs so that someone else can "steal" it. The second category is people who willingly share their ideas in order that the collective world can benefit from their design, knowing that their design may be knocked off or improved upon. I know that and agree with you. That's why I said but that's not the point. It's not always economically viable to patent something. Ever tried? It's very time consuming and expensive. Lawyers involved if you want to do it right. Just because someone doesn't patent something doesn't mean they look forward to having someone rip off their design. I don't know how this guy improved it anyway. Again not really my point. My point in case someone missed it is that if he wants to sell his tumblers on here he needs to get a forum vendor account. Some of us see this post as innocent and informative while some see what it really is... Advertising. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickC 23 Posted October 27, 2013 I know that and agree with you. That's why I said but that's not the point. It's not always economically viable to patent something. Ever tried? It's very time consuming and expensive. Lawyers involved if you want to do it right. Just because someone doesn't patent something doesn't mean they look forward to having someone rip off their design. I don't know how this guy improved it anyway. Again not really my point. My point in case someone missed it is that if he wants to sell his tumblers on here he needs to get a forum vendor account. Some of us see this post as innocent and informative while some see what it really is... Advertising. Thank God for you, and your ability to see through his lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AverageJoe 95 Posted October 28, 2013 This forum isn't meant for people to build a product and then sell it. If he wants to do so he should pony up the money and become a vendor. This thread basically amounts to an advertisement for his tumbler. Besides the fact that he stole someone's design and tried to pass it off as his own. Sure he might have made it a little better but that's not the point. The OP is just being bitchy at me because he knows what he did. Just getting tired of his constant " advertising" is all. Forum Vendors are meant for businesses like FFL's, gun shops, etc. the OP is a Premier Member ...which not only supports the site, it grants access to sell in the classifides...nothing wrong with makin a few tumblers and selling them to forum members. IF the OP started an LLC selling tumblers then he should be a vendor lol...other than that no reason to go on bout this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_G 51 Posted October 28, 2013 My point in case someone missed it is that if he wants to sell his tumblers on here he needs to get a forum vendor account. Some of us see this post as innocent and informative while some see what it really is... Advertising. Who are you to decide that he NEEDS to become a forum vendor? I don't see Admin or Moderator, under your user name. If the Admins feel he is taking advantage, they will contact him. At this point all he is doing is offering to build a few tumblers for those that don't have the resources (equipment, welding skills, etc.) to do it themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickC 23 Posted October 28, 2013 Who are you to decide that he NEEDS to become a forum vendor? I don't see Admin or Moderator, under your user name. If the Admins feel he is taking advantage, they will contact him. At this point all he is doing is offering to build a few tumblers for those that don't have the resources (equipment, welding skills, etc.) to do it themselves. You're obviously not at the same intellectual level as Respect2A and there for can't comprehend the brilliance of his statements. People like you NEED people like him to warn/help these feeble minded forum members. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alec.mc 180 Posted October 28, 2013 Tell us genius, how does one exactly inovate a spinning drum? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A-Tech 8 Posted October 28, 2013 I guess whenever a forum member has a good idea to improve the lifestyle of shooting, he/she should keep to themselves and not try to share... If you don't like the "advertisement" than move on and don't read. What does it matter to you if he is a forum vendor? Do you benefit monetarily? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heavyopp 167 Posted October 31, 2013 Ok Guys -- Back to building stuff -- I do appreciate the support from all of you I've been a little delayed in building a drum but got the bulk of it done tonight -- Another long picture laden post to follow -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites