Rolling stone on Camden

[Shawnmoore81 623]

This is a good read on the decline of the city of Camden.

 

 

 

 

http://m.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalypse-new-jersey-a-dispatch-from-americas-most-desperate-town-20131211

 

At this point I don't even think you can get that city back and still obey the constitution. It's just too far gone.

[Bully 749]

Funny...

 

I would posit that by actually implementing the Constitution, the city could be brought back.  Allowing citizens to have and utilize their rights instead of feeding them false promises of safety would potentially empower the inhabitants to make a comeback on their own. 

 

C

[NicePants 58]

I'm gonna agree with Topher. It's either that or exterminatus on the whole area.

[1LtCAP 4,267]

they could also oust the dumbocrats.

[Shawnmoore81 623]

Police aren't taking those streets back. It would be military. It would be like the fighting in Somalia. You'd literally have to raid house after house. It would be a Marshall law situation and would be a war.

[Handyman 5,682]

Sounds like they get some things right:

 

 

"North Camden would generally like to police itself," says Thomson. "Rather than getting a call of an adult who had assaulted a child, generally you'll get a call to send an ambulance and a police officer to the corner of 7th and York because there's a person laying there beaten nearly to death with chains."

 

[Barms 98]

"MARTIAL"

 

I'm dying to know. Do guys get this wrong so many times on purpose or is it autocorrect ?

[Arbelest 29]

2 things to fix Camden, a factory for people to work in and a quality educational to change the minds of the kids when their young.

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Non-mobile version of the article:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/apocalypse-new-jersey-a-dispatch-from-americas-most-desperate-town-20131211

[CMJeepster 2,781]

"Escape from Camden" starring Kurt Russell.

[71ragtopgoat 23]

2 things to fix Camden, a factory for people to work in and a quality educational to change the minds of the kids when their young.

Ha Ha Ha! Thats pretty funny. As if those things did not exist there before the scum moved in and destroyed it. Or in Patterson, Newark, JC, trenton and so many other places.

No what ruined it was the animals who live there and Govt trying to force the good people to live with them via section 8 and and other low income housing programs.

They did what any good person would do under that kind of situaltion.They moved leaving it to the dirt bags.

Eventually the whole state will be like camden isf the Govt keeps pushing the housing issue.

[Handyman 5,682]

For the money they will pay trying to clean up Camden, they could:

 

1. Build a wall around it

2. Buy housing elsewhere for any law abiding residents who would like to leave

3. Let it completely self-destruct into ashes

[mcbethr 42]

2 things to fix Camden, a factory for people to work in and a quality educational to change the minds of the kids when their young.

 

Bravo!!! Nothing stops a bullet like a job.

 

We can talk all we want about the 2nd Amendment.  If the average Camden resident had $600 they wouldn't go out and buy a gun, they would use it to bay their overdue electric bill.

 

Guns won't fix Camden but jobs and education will.

[Handyman 5,682]

Guns won't fix Camden but jobs and education will.

 

A noble idea, but there has to come a time when a critcal mass, a point of no return is reached. Camden's was long ago.

 

Some people just won't be helped. If you get a grant a put up a basketball hoop, in a week the rim is torn off and the backboard is tagged with gang signs.

[maintenanceguy 512]

Build a big factory in Camden and the factory will want to best employees.  They will look outside of Camden.  A factory, or any other business could not survive if they had to rely on the available employment pool in Camden.

 

Education of children might work in generation II if the parents weren't telling their kids that the teacher is wrong and that they don't have to listen in class, do homework, sit in their seats, or not take weapons to school.   Right now, there is no winning in Camden.  The best we can hope for is for a few strong, determined kids to grab their boot-straps and climb their way out to make something of themselves somewhere else.  

 

We can't help.  We largely are responsible for making Camden what it is by trying to help people to do everything  they needed to do for themselves.

[Malsua 1,422]

The only way to fix Camden is to depopulate it.  No, not force people to move or kill them or whatever...simply create the circumstance by which they self evacuate.

 

There's a reason why lions hang around the watering hole.  It is because other creatures come there to drink.   Remove the water(government handouts), the wildebeests leave and the lions go away as well.

 

Once the place is empty, bulldoze it or burn it.    This is what is happening in Detroit because they ran out of other people's money.  In some length of time, perhaps 25-50 years, once enough of the poison has been drained from Detroit, the city will be renewed.

 

Camden needs to be cutoff, not propped up by adding more education money or other government programs.  You need to starve the cancer.

[mipafox 438]

Upward mobility is most directly linked to intact families and church. And not at all related to poverty.

 

Bringing some jobs into Camden and spending more money on their schools, even the "right" way, will accomplish nothing.

 

The more people there are on the government dole the worse Camden gets. Until you stop giving them money that will not change no matter how much more money you send there. Because the government dole always pressures people away from families and away from responsibility. And the people allocating that money to them have no problem with that reality.

[svt3183 14]

sterilization....as long as each POS creates 5 more POS's we are screwed

[jm1827 284]

sterilization....as long as each POS creates 5 more POS's we are screwed

And some of those POSs  create 6 or 7 or 10 more so we are screwed even quicker!

[71ragtopgoat 23]

Upward mobility is most directly linked to intact families and church. And not at all related to poverty.

 

Bringing some jobs into Camden and spending more money on their schools, even the "right" way, will accomplish nothing.

 

The more people there are on the government dole the worse Camden gets. Until you stop giving them money that will not change no matter how much more money you send there. Because the government dole always pressures people away from families and away from responsibility. And the people allocating that money to them have no problem with that reality.

This. Necessity is the mother of invention. As long as we keep feeding them they wont find it necessary to act responsible.

[virpacalis 1]

Mars, Martis, m., Roman Ares. By metonymy, martial law is the law of war. Probably not the best solution in the states. Good education, jobs, and people with money will do wonders. So will the opposite, as is abundantly clear.

[Handyman 5,682]

The only way to fix Camden is to depopulate it.  No, not force people to move or kill them or whatever...simply create the circumstance by which they self evacuate..

Yeah, but do we really want this? Where do we want them to relocate to? Cherry Hill, Livingston and Rumson?

 

I would argue it is better to have an area that is a readily-identifiable cesspit. Normal people will know not to go anywhere near it. The animals that live there can kill each other all they want. Like on maps before the discovery of the New World, "Here there be monsters."

 

If you can't kill a cancer, at least try to contain it.

[svt3183 14]

AGREE X 1,000,000,000.  there is a big aparmtment complex in my town that used to be pretty nice with a lot of retirees and young people.  they started putting section 8 in the building and voila....they are shit holes now filled with ex-camdenites.  local news involving crime now most often is from the complex and includes topics such as crack dealers, strong armed robberies, car burglaries, etc.  Look around, they are actively trying to destroy our towns with these policies.  Build walls, fences, whatever to keep them in and and give them more weapons with the hope they all kill each other.

 

Yeah, but do we really want this? Where do we want them to relocate to? Cherry Hill, Livingston and Rumson?

I would argue it is better to have an area that is a readily-identifiable cesspit. Normal people will know not to go anywhere near it. The animals that live there can kill each other all they want. Like on maps before the discovery of the New World, "Here there be monsters."

If you can't kill a cancer, at least try to contain it.

[njJoniGuy 2,133]

And some of those POSs  create 6 or 7 or 10 more so we are screwed even quicker!

Same with the child-molester-worshipping folks in the sand-filled part of the world

[Malsua 1,422]

Yeah, but do we really want this? Where do we want them to relocate to? Cherry Hill, Livingston and Rumson?

 

 

 

Poison is in the concentration.   They won't take over Cherry Hill or other affluent areas, they'll end up in AC or Philly or NYC or other giant urban cesspools that have enough enforcement to bottle them up in neighborhoods instead of fouling the entire city.

[Sixtytwo327 14]

Since we're under the hood fixing Camden - lets slap a 200% import tariff on everything made in China, and use the money to pay for urban renewal (abandoned building demolition, trash and city services, etc.) in areas that lack a broad enough tax base to be self supporting.

 

Great article - RS has some of the best Journalism.