AlDente67 563 Posted April 21, 2014 Hi all, I am working on accessories lately, like earrings and bangles. I'd like to add some slings to items I have. Some come with one point harness attachment, and some with front and back (2-point, I suppose). Do you buy locally or order online? I like to see what I'm buying, depending on what it is. But not confident that the LGS will have what I need. Any advice? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted April 21, 2014 One point slings are only good for keeping your long gun from hitting the ground. Other than that they are useless pos imo. Your long gun dangles in front of you hitting your knees and gets in the way of anything you want to do. I like the EZ Sling. Once you have it on you can easily holster your long gun, move it to your back out of the way completely. If you need your long gun you can quickly reach over your shoulder and redeploy. You can use your long gun from either shoulder with no further adjusting. There is a You Tube on this. They used to include a DVD showing you how to set it up and use it. These have been around for nearly 15 years I know of. There may be something better out there but I've been satisfied with the EZ Sling for nearly 15 years. High Exposure may chime in and has more knowledge of what's on the market now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Worn_Holster 2 Posted April 21, 2014 I have the Quick Cuff Tactical Sling and it a very innovative design. I use a sling when hunting to give me more stability. I don't use a sling often at the range, except maybe when I shoot my Marlin 795. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted April 21, 2014 Magpul makes something they call a "Multi Mission Sling," which can be used as either a two point or one point sling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaiser7 33 Posted April 21, 2014 Actually, besides the obvious (carrying a longarm) I'm not entirely sure what slings are for. I heard they're for stabilizing the weapon, by wrapping the sling around your arm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boejoula 0 Posted April 21, 2014 I have the VTAC bungee sling. Not bad but I recommend a non bungee sling lol. Just some nylon would be fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 21, 2014 Sling selection: Avoid 3 point sling like a male prostitue with AIDS and a chloroform soaked rag. They are beyond useless. Single point slings - They are not the end of the world and you can run them if you have to, but they leave a lot to be desired. They flop around when released smacking you in the groin (read balls), They offer no additional stabilization when shooting, and they move around making it difficult to retrieve the rifle after being released. And you can forget taking a knee or bending over to pick something up, your barrel becomes an instant lawn dart. The only place where they really shine is switching shoulders. It is a nice ability to have but other slings allow it too and without all the negatives. 2-point slings - the basic 2 point sling makes a decent carry strap, but is a horrible "fighting" sling. With a little ingenuity and elbow grease you can modify them to work, but the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. Now, the Modern 2-point Quick Adjust sling - like the BFG BCAS or the VTAC - is where it's at. I have both types but I prefer the BFG VCAS as it has no loose running end. The downside to that being that it offers less inherent adjustment in the system. The Quick Adjust 2 Point slings have all the advantages of a two point sling - holds the rifle close/tight to the body when released, doesn't flop around when moving with a slung rifle, offers adjustable stability while shooting, and still gives the shooter the ability to switch shoulders quickly and easily like a single point system. Win - Win - Win. Attachment points: Getting the sling attachment points as close to the receiver as possible on both ends will set you up for success. You can use a Tangodown PR4, a Burnsed Loop, a MI Sling plate, a Magpul ASAP, whatever you like, that puts the sling as close to where the receiver extension meets the lower as possible. (I like the ASAP and the Tangodown PR4 for this. I have also used the MI version of the TD PR4 with good success.) You want the front the front attachment point as close to where the rail/barrel meets the receiver as possible. Some rail systems - DD Omega, LaRue Tactical - offer sling sockets there standard. Other handguards options may require you to buy a sling loop (ACE and VTAC make good ones) or socket (IWC makes a good one for use with Magpul MOE Handguards and Gear Sector makes a great one for throwing on a railed forend) to place on the rail where you want it. The further forward you have the sling, the more you can throw off your zero. I have seen a zero move by as much a 4" at 100 yards by a shooter tightening a sling while shooting. Keeping the sling attachment point close together enhances the abilities of the quick adjust 2 Point sling. It offers more adjustment, holds the rifle higher on your body (very helpful if you are vertically challenged like me ) keeping it from banging into your knees if moving with a slung rifle or from turning into a lawn dart if you take a knee or bend over to pick something up. This setup allows you to switch shoulders like a single point sling, and keeps the rifle tighter to you so it moves around less when slung making it easier to recover. It also gives you more room/slack in the total system when reloading and clearing malfunctions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted April 21, 2014 Sling selection: Avoid 3 point sling like a male prostitue with AIDS and a chloroform soaked rag. They are beyond useless. Single point slings - They are not the end of the world and you can run them if you have to, but they leave a lot to be desired. They flop around when released smacking you in the groin (read balls), They offer no additional stabilization when shooting, and they move around making it difficult to retrieve the rifle after being released. And you can forget taking a knee or bending over to pick something up, your barrel becomes an instant lawn dart. The only place where they really shine is switching shoulders. It is a nice ability to have but other slings allow it too and without all the negatives. 2-point slings - the basic 2 point sling makes a decent carry strap, but is a horrible "fighting" sling. With a little ingenuity and elbow grease you can modify them to work, but the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. Now, the Modern 2-point Quick Adjust sling - like the BFG BCAS or the VTAC - is where it's at. I have both types but I prefer the BFG VCAS as it has no loose running end. The downside to that being that it offers less inherent adjustment in the system. The Quick Adjust 2 Point slings have all the advantages of a two point sling - holds the rifle close/tight to the body when released, doesn't flop around when moving with a slung rifle, offers adjustable stability while shooting, and still gives the shooter the ability to switch shoulders quickly and easily like a single point system. Win - Win - Win. Attachment points: Getting the sling attachment points as close to the receiver as possible on both ends will set you up for success. You can use a Tangodown PR4, a Burnsed Loop, a MI Sling plate, a Magpul ASAP, whatever you like, that puts the sling as close to where the receiver extension meets the lower as possible. (I like the ASAP and the Tangodown PR4 for this. I have also used the MI version of the TD PR4 with good success.) You want the front the front attachment point as close to where the rail/barrel meets the receiver as possible. Some rail systems - DD Omega, LaRue Tactical - offer sling sockets there standard. Other handguards options may require you to buy a sling loop (ACE and VTAC make good ones) or socket (IWC makes a good one for use with Magpul MOE Handguards and Gear Sector makes a great one for throwing on a railed forend) to place on the rail where you want it. The further forward you have the sling, the more you can throw off your zero. I have seen a zero move by as much a 4" at 100 yards by a shooter tightening a sling while shooting. Keeping the sling attachment point close together enhances the abilities of the quick adjust 2 Point sling. It offers more adjustment, holds the rifle higher on your body (very helpful if you are vertically challenged like me ) keeping it from banging into your knees if moving with a slung rifle or from turning into a lawn dart if you take a knee or bend over to pick something up. This setup allows you to switch shoulders like a single point sling, and keeps the rifle tighter to you so it moves around less when slung making it easier to recover. It also gives you more room/slack in the total system when reloading and clearing malfunctions. This. Might as well copy this to notepad and save it on your comp for future use. I use a padded vtac and am happy with it. I'm not a fan at all of 1 pts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boejoula 0 Posted April 21, 2014 Sling selection: Avoid 3 point sling like a male prostitue with AIDS and a chloroform soaked rag. They are beyond useless. Single point slings - They are not the end of the world and you can run them if you have to, but they leave a lot to be desired. They flop around when released smacking you in the groin (read balls), They offer no additional stabilization when shooting, and they move around making it difficult to retrieve the rifle after being released. And you can forget taking a knee or bending over to pick something up, your barrel becomes an instant lawn dart. The only place where they really shine is switching shoulders. It is a nice ability to have but other slings allow it too and without all the negatives. 2-point slings - the basic 2 point sling makes a decent carry strap, but is a horrible "fighting" sling. With a little ingenuity and elbow grease you can modify them to work, but the juice just isn't worth the squeeze. Now, the Modern 2-point Quick Adjust sling - like the BFG BCAS or the VTAC - is where it's at. I have both types but I prefer the BFG VCAS as it has no loose running end. The downside to that being that it offers less inherent adjustment in the system. The Quick Adjust 2 Point slings have all the advantages of a two point sling - holds the rifle close/tight to the body when released, doesn't flop around when moving with a slung rifle, offers adjustable stability while shooting, and still gives the shooter the ability to switch shoulders quickly and easily like a single point system. Win - Win - Win. Attachment points: Getting the sling attachment points as close to the receiver as possible on both ends will set you up for success. You can use a Tangodown PR4, a Burnsed Loop, a MI Sling plate, a Magpul ASAP, whatever you like, that puts the sling as close to where the receiver extension meets the lower as possible. (I like the ASAP and the Tangodown PR4 for this. I have also used the MI version of the TD PR4 with good success.) You want the front the front attachment point as close to where the rail/barrel meets the receiver as possible. Some rail systems - DD Omega, LaRue Tactical - offer sling sockets there standard. Other handguards options may require you to buy a sling loop (ACE and VTAC make good ones) or socket (IWC makes a good one for use with Magpul MOE Handguards and Gear Sector makes a great one for throwing on a railed forend) to place on the rail where you want it. The further forward you have the sling, the more you can throw off your zero. I have seen a zero move by as much a 4" at 100 yards by a shooter tightening a sling while shooting. Keeping the sling attachment point close together enhances the abilities of the quick adjust 2 Point sling. It offers more adjustment, holds the rifle higher on your body (very helpful if you are vertically challenged like me ) keeping it from banging into your knees if moving with a slung rifle or from turning into a lawn dart if you take a knee or bend over to pick something up. This setup allows you to switch shoulders like a single point sling, and keeps the rifle tighter to you so it moves around less when slung making it easier to recover. It also gives you more room/slack in the total system when reloading and clearing malfunctions. Why do you prefer the BFG? I have the VTAC bungee and want to get a non-bungee one. Just wondering what the differences are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 21, 2014 I prefer the BFG VCAS for two reasons, one subjective and one objective. Objectively, I do not like the free running end of the VTAC. I prefer the closed loop of the BFG VCAS even though it offers a more limited range of adjustment. Subjectively, I am short and I don't need as much adjustability as the VTAC provides. I have feet of sling left over once I am all adjusted, even in armor - and I will still manage to lawn dart my barrel taking a knee. The BFG VCAS offers me just enough adjustability to stay versatile, but controls the rifle enough that I can sling it and forget about it while doing other tasks. I have no experience with the VTAC Bungee. I see it retains the running end like the standard VTAC so I would probably still prefer the BFG VCAS. I am also unsure about the whole "bungee" aspect. I used to have a bungee 1 point sling (before the quick adjust 2 point slings were on the scene) and the bungee drove me nuts. I would just get everything where I want it and then it would stretch and the rifle would go exactly where I didn't want it. No thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boejoula 0 Posted April 21, 2014 I prefer the BFG VCAS for two reasons, one subjective and one objective. Objectively, I do not like the free running end of the VTAC. I prefer the closed loop of the BFG VCAS even though it offers a more limited range of adjustment. Subjectively, I am short and I don't need as much adjustability as the VTAC provides. I have feet of sling left over once I am all adjusted, even in armor - and I will still manage to lawn dart my barrel taking a knee. The BFG VCAS offers me just enough adjustability to stay versatile, but controls the rifle enough that I can sling it and forget about it while doing other tasks. I have no experience with the VTAC Bungee. I see it retains the running end like the standard VTAC so I would probably still prefer the BFG VCAS. I am also unsure about the whole "bungee" aspect. I used to have a bungee 1 point sling (before the quick adjust 2 point slings were on the scene) and the bungee drove me nuts. I would just get everything where I want it and then it would stretch and the rifle would go exactly where I didn't want it. No thanks. The bungee is good for when its tight against the body and you have to grab it and get it up real quick. The bungee will stretch so you can shoulder the rifle without making any adjustments. The problem is when running/jogging, it acts the same as a single point. Only its a few inches from your head (the one on your shoulders). So the effect is the same in that aspect. I'm assuming the non-bungee version would do the same but with a lot less play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackDaWack 2,895 Posted April 22, 2014 I prefer the BFG VCAS for two reasons, one subjective and one objective. Objectively, I do not like the free running end of the VTAC. I prefer the closed loop of the BFG VCAS even though it offers a more limited range of adjustment. Subjectively, I am short and I don't need as much adjustability as the VTAC provides. I have feet of sling left over once I am all adjusted, even in armor - and I will still manage to lawn dart my barrel taking a knee. The BFG VCAS offers me just enough adjustability to stay versatile, but controls the rifle enough that I can sling it and forget about it while doing other tasks. I have no experience with the VTAC Bungee. I see it retains the running end like the standard VTAC so I would probably still prefer the BFG VCAS. I am also unsure about the whole "bungee" aspect. I used to have a bungee 1 point sling (before the quick adjust 2 point slings were on the scene) and the bungee drove me nuts. I would just get everything where I want it and then it would stretch and the rifle would go exactly where I didn't want it. No thanks. I plan on getting my VTAC tailored. That running end is a SOB for us short or skinny guys... It has the adjustability i need but that running end i had to roll up and rubber-band at the end. I'm gonna cut off what ever i dont need, leave a little extra for anything that might need me to loosen it up a bit... but goddamn they make it so a 120lb 5'5" or a 300lb 6'5" person could use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barms 98 Posted April 22, 2014 Someone make this topic a sticky. Or an FAQ. So great so concise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted April 22, 2014 i just watched the video for the ezsling. looks cool....but over complicated too. high exposure......as always, your answer is super/crazy informative. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted April 22, 2014 i just watched the video for the ezsling. looks cool....but over complicated too. high exposure......as always, your answer is super/crazy informative. The EZ sling isn't really complicated once you set it up and try it out. It does let you do a lot of things thatyou didn't think a sling was for. I agree HE has the most knowledge of what's out there and what's good and what's garbage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 22, 2014 Thanks for the kind words Do keep in mind though that everything I type is from a "tactical" (god I hate that word sometimes) or "fighting with a gun" standpoint - not a shooting, hunting, gaming, etc.. frame of reference. There is some crossover but what works for me in my experience may not work for everyone else's needs. I had one of the EZ Slings. It is basically an updated version of a 3 point sling - almost like a quick adjust 3 point. Other than the "backpack" mode, everything the EZ sling does can be done with a quick adjust 2-point sling easier and faster. Plus there are a couple little tricks that you can do to make the QA 2-point sling work for you even better when switching shoulders or securing the long gun to your front or back to use two hands to accomplish another task. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted April 22, 2014 HE brings out a very important point here. What works for me may not work for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted April 23, 2014 yes, he does. i meant no offense when i made my comment about the ezsling. i was simply making an observation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 23, 2014 Boejoula, Getting rid of your VTAC Bungee sling eh? 1LtCAP, I don't think anyone took offense to your post brother! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boejoula 0 Posted April 23, 2014 Boejoula, Getting rid of your VTAC Bungee sling eh? Yea, you want it?! Lol. Its been sitting around since I got it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted April 23, 2014 yes, he does. i meant no offense when i made my comment about the ezsling. i was simply making an observation. No offense taken:)! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted April 23, 2014 I use a Magpul MS3 and Mission Spec IAS sling. Both are 1-2 point convertible slings. My AR has a Magpul ASAP on it as well as a Magpul RSA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted April 23, 2014 I really like the Magpul attachment points and hardware. I f'n hate their slings. They are too thin for the tubular material that are made from and they roll and bind when trying to adjust making you have to use two hands to get your sling where you want it. Do not like. I actually cut 2 MS3 slings up just to get the hardware and use it with a BFG VCAS on 2 rifles that had ASAP plates and MOE sling mounts on MOE Handguards. Luckily, now that the modular MS1 sling is out you can buy just the hardware for a relatively painless sum instead of buying a $40 sling just to cut it up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites