nooch450 41 Posted September 17, 2022 Check out the below link to the bill, no text yet but it didn't take the anti gunners down in Trenton long before deciding that their "sensible gun laws" are no longer good enough since the state is now forced to operate under the US constitution and issue carry permits. (Even tho many counties are still refusing) This fight is unfortunately far from over... https://njleg.state.nj.us/bill-search/2022/A4502 7 minutes ago, nooch450 said: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 17, 2022 Curious to see who gets exempted. Police of course. Armored car drivers? Campaign donors and other "more equal" people? 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nooch450 41 Posted September 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, RadioGunner said: Curious to see who gets exempted. Police of course. Armored car drivers? Campaign donors and other "more equal" people? If the restrictions closely reflect what the judges in Ocean County are doing then we know there's definitely a conspiracy between the branches of government to infringe on our right to bear arms. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted September 18, 2022 wow, and many counties haven't issued a single carry permit yet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
antimatter 139 Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, nooch450 said: If the restrictions closely reflect what the judges in Ocean County are doing then we know there's definitely a conspiracy between the branches of government to infringe on our right to bear arms. What is ocean county doing now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 18, 2022 1 hour ago, antimatter said: What is ocean county doing now? Issuing permits with restrictions, including not allowed to carry in your vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted September 18, 2022 As New York attempts to severely limit areas where people can carry, it was just a matter of time before our rulers jumped in to "protect" us from the widespread presence of firearms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bushmaster1313 61 Posted September 18, 2022 Is this a Stealth Bill Amyone have a link Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted September 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Bushmaster1313 said: Is this a Stealth Bill Amyone have a link Link is in the first post - it hasn't been fleshed out yet which means they're writing it up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted September 18, 2022 sooo they're prolly gonna mimic ny...how long will it take till they get put in their place? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said: sooo they're prolly gonna mimic ny...how long will it take till they get put in their place? 5-10 years Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Lostboy 105 Posted September 19, 2022 My gun identifies as invisible I guess. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Lostboy 105 Posted September 19, 2022 Wasn't 99% of this covered by Thomas? I don't understand how NY is getting away with what they are and I feel the same about any future infringements from NJ. These are the people who say they "support the second amendment" but easily excuse all infringements as "common sense measures". I absolutely despise those words. There is nothing common sense about any of the (gun) laws in this state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 19, 2022 "They" do what they want and get sued. It takes years and a ton of money to get crap like this fixed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdF 323 Posted September 20, 2022 Of course, this is necessary as the SCOTUS ruling allows for these sensitive areas. They need to be clearly defined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
father-of-three 243 Posted September 20, 2022 Many states, even free states, have restrictions, but they tend to be literally few and far between. The New York and New Jersey governments appear to be doing this solely as a second amendment workaround, because they can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadayo 39 Posted September 23, 2022 https://pub.njleg.state.nj.us/Bills/2022/A5000/4502_I1.PDF Text of the bill was just posted. Most of it was anticipated I believe. Absent is any mention of a business having to specifically state that conceal carry is allowed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostboy 105 Posted September 23, 2022 "If it seems like a soft-target it is and will continue to be." May as well be what the bill reads. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacklunch 22 Posted September 23, 2022 Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues: any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals; any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices; the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit; a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event; a publicly owned or leased library or museum; any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises; any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing; any place of public worship; and any public transit vehicle or facility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadayo 39 Posted September 23, 2022 Not a law yet. It's not on the Assembly Judiciary Committee schedule yet. Hopefully some of the language can be changed or amended before it comes up for a vote. The penalties for a permit to carry holder are crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GlockityGlockGlock 21 Posted September 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Lostboy said: "If it seems like a soft-target it is and will continue to be." May as well be what the bill reads. "jUsT CaLL tHe pOliCe" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadayo 39 Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, TDIguy said: Under the bill, it would be a crime of the fourth degree to possess a firearm in or upon any of the following venues: any part of the buildings or grounds of a health care facility licensed by the Department of Health, including but not limited to a hospital, nursing home, or other similar residential facility or a provider of services for the care, support and treatment of individuals; any part of the buildings or grounds of a building or portion of a building owned, leased, or operated by a government entity including, but not limited to, polling place, courthouses, law enforcement stations and offices; the grounds of a park, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county, or local government unit; a youth sports events during and immediately preceding and following the event; a publicly owned or leased library or museum; any bar, restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; any site or facility where cannabis is sold for consumption on the premises; any public demonstration, which the bill defines as a procession, gathering, or an assemblage of persons in a public place, where the gathering is in pursuit of a common purpose of demonstrating support for, or opposition to, a person, matter, issue, or thing; any place of public worship; and any public transit vehicle or facility. also, it is not in the summary of the bill but in the body it states - any part of the buildings or grounds of a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games, or contests are held Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marlintag 223 Posted September 23, 2022 It's insane and radical on many levels. It even makes private property not owned by the government or town a sensitive location. Most synagogues and churches are private property that can make their own decisions. I also saw NO EXEMPTION for law enforcement in the current bill so, police would be as defenseless as us. Now, we know why many counties (including mine) have not issued a single permit, this is the guidance they are waiting for. This bill will be signed into law before dinner time and then they will start issuing permits... (correct thread re-post) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,296 Posted September 23, 2022 I've deleted the list of sensitive areas I copied from the bill--they were posted while I was still typing. Note, there are inconsistencies between the body text of the bill, and the summary at the end. Possession at a public demonstration is apparently prohibited as well, and the entertainment facility restriction is left off of the summary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted September 23, 2022 Also tucked in there: "c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. 28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 30 guilty of a crime of the third degree." ------ Got that fudds and hunters? Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadayo 39 Posted September 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: Also tucked in there: "c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. 28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 30 guilty of a crime of the third degree." ------ Got that fudds and hunters? Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon. That is current law actually. Anything underlined is new. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, CMJeepster said: Also tucked in there: "c. Rifles and shotguns. (1) Any person who knowingly has in 25 his possession any rifle or shotgun without having first obtained a 26 firearms purchaser identification card in accordance with the 27 provisions of N.J.S.2C:58-3, is guilty of a crime of the third degree. 28 (2) Unless otherwise permitted by law, any person who 29 knowingly has in his possession any loaded rifle or shotgun is 30 guilty of a crime of the third degree." ------ Got that fudds and hunters? Now you're going to have to get one and they're change the rules to get one soon. That’s actually good and is existing law. You can carry an unloaded rifle or shotgun with just a FID Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, marlintag said: It's insane and radical on many levels. It even makes private property not owned by the government or town a sensitive location. Most synagogues and churches are private property that can make their own decisions. I also saw NO EXEMPTION for law enforcement in the current bill so, police would be as defenseless as us. Now, we know why many counties (including mine) have not issued a single permit, this is the guidance they are waiting for. This bill will be signed into law before dinner time and then they will start issuing permits... (correct thread re-post) I’m sure they will exempt police. The unions will make lots of noise to also make sure retirees are exempted too. Houses of worship in other states have private security teams because of nut jobs shooting up churches. This bill has no exemption for those. So now it will be open season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites