NJ LAWMAKERS ANNOUNCE PLANS TO DESTROY RIGHT TO CARRY

[Krdshrk 3,878]

57 minutes ago, TuscanRaider said:

Also private property is still allowed….Costco, the mall, Lowe’s, ShopRite, etc.  Most daily trips are still protected. 

The Restaurants/Bars one is big.  I can't go over to my Elk's lodge to get a bite while carrying - they serve alcohol.  Any old restaurant - unless it's BYOB, you're screwed.

I also have carried in Museums, Libraries, entertainment facilities, stadiums, and Dr's offices...  

Gonna have to load and unload in the car discreetly more now...

[RadioGunner 218]

It could be worse, like NY. This is a setback but not a total loss. 99% of my routine won't change.

[Walkinguf61 40]

3 hours ago, Xtors said:

Utter BS. Obama, Trump and Biden appointees.

Correct me if I am wrong but that includes:

(6) within 100 feet of a place where a public gathering, demonstration or event is held for which a government permit is required, during the conduct of such gathering, demonstration or event;

(9) a nursery school, pre-school, zoo, or summer camp;

(10) a park, beach, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit, or any part of such a place, which is designated as a gun-free zone by the governing authority based on considerations of public safety;

(12) a publicly owned or leased library or museum;

(15) a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises;

(17) a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games or contests are held;

(18) a casino and related facilities, including but not limited to appurtenant hotels, retail premises, restaurant and bar facilities, and entertainment and recreational venues located within the casino property;

(21) a health care facility, including but not limited to a general hospital, special hospital, psychiatric hospital, public health center, diagnostic center, treatment center, rehabilitation center, extended care facility, skilled nursing home, nursing home, intermediate care facility, tuberculosis hospital, chronic disease hospital, maternity hospital, outpatient clinic, dispensary, assisted living center, home health care agency, residential treatment facility, residential health care facility, medical office, or ambulatory care facility;

Thank you for the breakdown.

Let’s look at the positives. Even the anti-2A judges are saying the new private property assumption is BS. 

[brucin 923]

52 minutes ago, Krdshrk said:

Gonna have to load and unload in the car discreetly more now

I refuse to unload and load in the car. I find it to be unsafe. I stand at the back of the hatch back and place it in the safe there. If someone sees it fuck em. I'm following the law.

[ALAN553 27]

going to breakfast at a diner and they serve alcohol....watch out!

[xXxplosive 827]

some day citizens will honor, respect and obey the US Constitution as written and not put up with this attempt to disarm ......any longer.....omo.

[antimatter 139]

My taxes are easier to follow than all this crap!

Are the Seaside boardwalks off limit?  I don’t see any signs and can’t determine if these changes apply now.   

[xXxplosive 827]

As usual, they've succeeded in making this very confusing....better watch it....omo.

[Grima Squeakersen 483]

8 hours ago, brucin said:

I refuse to unload and load in the car. I find it to be unsafe. I stand at the back of the hatch back and place it in the safe there. If someone sees it fuck em. I'm following the law.

That assumes one is fully complying, and not just locking up a loaded weapon. That requires some risk comparisons on my part. If you were required to enter an establishment in a very bad neighborhood unarmed, allowing the weapon to be clearly seen in the process would IMO not just risk some panicked imbecile running in circles while screaming and shouting "HE HAS A GUN!!!", but some thug breaking Into your car and stealing your weapon while you were gone.

[Grima Squeakersen 483]

12 hours ago, Xtors said:

Utter BS. Obama, Trump and Biden appointees.

Correct me if I am wrong but that includes:

(6) within 100 feet of a place where a public gathering, demonstration or event is held for which a government permit is required, during the conduct of such gathering, demonstration or event;

(9) a nursery school, pre-school, zoo, or summer camp;

(10) a park, beach, recreation facility or area or playground owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit, or any part of such a place, which is designated as a gun-free zone by the governing authority based on considerations of public safety;

(12) a publicly owned or leased library or museum;

(15) a bar or restaurant where alcohol is served, and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises;

(17) a privately or publicly owned and operated entertainment facility within this State, including but not limited to a theater, stadium, museum, arena, racetrack or other place where performances, concerts, exhibits, games or contests are held;

(18) a casino and related facilities, including but not limited to appurtenant hotels, retail premises, restaurant and bar facilities, and entertainment and recreational venues located within the casino property;

(21) a health care facility, including but not limited to a general hospital, special hospital, psychiatric hospital, public health center, diagnostic center, treatment center, rehabilitation center, extended care facility, skilled nursing home, nursing home, intermediate care facility, tuberculosis hospital, chronic disease hospital, maternity hospital, outpatient clinic, dispensary, assisted living center, home health care agency, residential treatment facility, residential health care facility, medical office, or ambulatory care facility;

"Utter BS" is an understatement. The only defensible basis for reinstating those restrictions is if the judges believe that NJ could ultimately prevail on the test of compliance with the Bruen guidance on congruence with 1787 and 1791 requirements, and there is no way in Hell even those 2 idiot liberals sincerely believes that.

[brucin 923]

3 minutes ago, Grima Squeakersen said:

"Utter BS" is an understatement. The only defensible basis for reinstating those restrictions is if the judges believe that NJ could ultimately prevail on the test of compliance with the Bruen guidance on congruence with 1787 and 1791 requirements, and there is no way in Hell even those 2 idiot liberals sincerely believes that.

That's not on me. That's on the state legislature for passing a stupid unconstitutional law. I have a safe and an alarm and insurance.

[1LtCAP 4,264]

1 hour ago, Grima Squeakersen said:

"Utter BS" is an understatement. The only defensible basis for reinstating those restrictions is if the judges believe that NJ could ultimately prevail on the test of compliance with the Bruen guidance on congruence with 1787 and 1791 requirements, and there is no way in Hell even those 2 idiot liberals sincerely believes that.

nah. they're just throwing a hissy fit thinking they're gonna get away with it. hopefully they'll get spanked.

 

1 hour ago, Grima Squeakersen said:

That assumes one is fully complying, and not just locking up a loaded weapon. That requires some risk comparisons on my part. If you were required to enter an establishment in a very bad neighborhood unarmed, allowing the weapon to be clearly seen in the process would IMO not just risk some panicked imbecile running in circles while screaming and shouting "HE HAS A GUN!!!", but some thug breaking Into your car and stealing your weapon while you were gone.

that's not on him. if he's unloading, placing in a lockbox that's fastened in the vehicle, then he has complied with the law. if it's stolen at that point, then it is on the legislature, and/or the judges that just reinstated this crap, and perhaps they should all be sued accordingly.

 

 that all said.......i'm hoping that the 2a groups are "judge shopping" like the left does to find a judge that'll kill this latest problem.

[Walkinguf61 40]

8 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

nah. they're just throwing a hissy fit thinking they're gonna get away with it. hopefully they'll get spanked.

 

that's not on him. if he's unloading, placing in a lockbox that's fastened in the vehicle, then he has complied with the law. if it's stolen at that point, then it is on the legislature, and/or the judges that just reinstated this crap, and perhaps they should all be sued accordingly.

 

 that all said.......i'm hoping that the 2a groups are "judge shopping" like the left does to find a judge that'll kill this latest problem.

Do you think it will be that simple? They will suspend th permit pending their investigation of the theft if what happens in NY is any indication.

[1LtCAP 4,264]

Just now, Walkinguf61 said:

Do you think it will be that simple? They will suspend th permit pending their investigation of the theft if what happens in NY is any indication.

nothing is ever that simple. but we've been ignoring the one thing that would make them think twice, and that they do to us all the time....hit them in their purse. and the judges, ag's, prosecutors? all of those who went against this knowingly, need to be sued professionally and personally.

[Mr.Stu 1,927]

3 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

nothing is ever that simple. but we've been ignoring the one thing that would make them think twice, and that they do to us all the time....hit them in their purse. and the judges, ag's, prosecutors? all of those who went against this knowingly, need to be sued professionally and personally.

They already thought of that and wrote laws to protect themselves. Their argument is that nobody would do the job if they could get sued into poverty. The problem is there is no recourse when they deliberately break their oath to uphold the Constitution.

[Shocker 151]

11 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

unless it's BYOB, you're screwed.

Some say that since the text says “…alcohol is SERVED…” would include the BYO places.
 

Clear as mud, as usual

[TuscanRaider 8]

4 minutes ago, Shocker said:

Some say that since the text says “…alcohol is SERVED…” would include the BYO places.
 

Clear as mud, as usual

Its referring to an establishment with a liquor license.  If you walk into a restaurant and ask if they serve alcohol and the response is no, then you are in compliance.  You can carry in a Burger King, and technically you can BYOB there. 

[ESB 247]

FEDERAL APPEALS COURT TEMPORARILY REINSTATES PARTS OF CARRY-KILLER LAW FOR DURATION OF APPEAL

June 20, 2023. A mid-level federal appeals court has partially granted and partially denied New Jersey’s motion to temporarily reinstate the carry-killer law. As a result, the lower court’s injunction blocking most of the carry-killer law will be partially suspended during the state’s appeal. This means that for the duration of the appeal there are “sensitive places” where the carry-killer law prohibits carry and other places where the carry-killer law remains blocked by the court. Click here and scroll down to item number 29 to see a copy of the court’s order. The decision means that for the duration of the appeal gun owners CANNOT lawfully continue to carry in the following locations: -          Within 100 feet of a public gathering, demonstration, or event requiring a government permit; -          Zoo; -          Park, beach, recreational facility or area owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit designated as a gun-free zone; -          Publicly owned or leased library or museum; -          Bar or restaurant where alcohol is served and any other site or facility where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises; -          Entertainment facility; -          Casino and related facilities; -          Health care facility.   However, the carry-killer law is STILL BLOCKED for the following (ie, you can carry here):  -          Vehicles -          Private property -          Public film locations   Additionally, today’s order does not disrupt the lower court’s ruling on the following items which still remain blocked: -          Insurance requirement -          Certain permit procedures and requirements    As noted above, the court’s decision only impacts carry rights for the duration of the state’s appeal, and does not necessarily mean that the state’s appeal will ultimately be successful. Despite this new ruling, ANJRPC will continue to aggressively defend gun owners’ carry rights during every stage of this case. Gun owners should take care to stay informed of all developments in this case as they occur, since this situation remains subject to change at any moment.   This information should not be used as a basis to make decisions about when and where the right to carry can be lawfully exercised. Consult with your own attorney before deciding when or where you may lawfully carry. If you are not already subscribed to these free email alerts, click here to sign up -- there will be critical updates and alerts coming in the near future. <click here for the online version of this alert>

[Xtors 334]

Wondering about the word "designated" here:

Park, beach, recreational facility or area owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit designated as a gun-free zone;

What legally constitutes a designation?

 

[ESB 247]

Anyone know why those items where unblocked?  States arguments for it where solid?  ANJRPC arguments against didn't hold up?  Wondering if this is forshadowing for the final outcome?  Not as optimistic as the initial TRO.  

[Xtors 334]

1 minute ago, ESB said:

Anyone know why those items where unblocked?  States arguments for it where solid?  ANJRPC arguments against didn't hold up?  Wondering if this is forshadowing for the final outcome?  Not as optimistic as the initial TRO.  

Judges appointed by zero and the ice cream man?

[CMJeepster 2,780]

5 minutes ago, Xtors said:

Wondering about the word "designated" here:

Park, beach, recreational facility or area owned or controlled by a State, county or local government unit designated as a gun-free zone;

What legally constitutes a designation?

 

Designation Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

[124gr9mm 859]

11 hours ago, Krdshrk said:

The Restaurants/Bars one is big.  I can't go over to my Elk's lodge to get a bite while carrying - they serve alcohol.  Any old restaurant - unless it's BYOB, you're screwed.

I also have carried in Museums, Libraries, entertainment facilities, stadiums, and Dr's offices...  

Gonna have to load and unload in the car discreetly more now...

 

Is there any definition of an "entertainment facility"????

Is that a football/baseball stadium?

[CMJeepster 2,780]

Just now, 124gr9mm said:

 

Is there any definition of an "entertainment facility"????

Is that a football/baseball stadium?

Could be.  As stated before, this is as clear as mud.

[Xtors 334]

6 minutes ago, CMJeepster said:

Designation Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Which says to me "a sign." So: no sign, GTG?  

[ESB 247]

5 minutes ago, Xtors said:

Judges appointed by zero and the ice cream man?

Hmm...  These are the 3 judges on the Appeal.

Krause, Cheryl Ann | Federal Judicial Center (fjc.gov) Nominated by Barack Obama on February 6, 2014

Chung, Cindy Kyounga | Federal Judicial Center (fjc.gov) Nominated by Joseph R. Biden on January 3, 2023

Porter, David James | Federal Judicial Center (fjc.gov) Nominated by Donald J. Trump on April 12, 2018

 

Note last page of the doc.  1 "Judge Porter dissents from this aspect of the order and would have denied the Emergency Motion for Stay Pending Appeal"

 

[Mr.Stu 1,927]

As I understand it, the panel that heard the emergency stay, is not necessarily the same panel that will hear the merits of the case.

[CMJeepster 2,780]

21 minutes ago, Xtors said:

Which says to me "a sign." So: no sign, GTG?  

IANAL, but signs would be obvious.  Perhaps government regulation / legislation as well?  A town can pass an ordinance restricting.

[Xtors 334]

1 minute ago, CMJeepster said:

IANAL, but signs would be obvious.  Perhaps government regulation / legislation as well?  A town can pass an ordinance restricting.

Agreed. And the state will expect us to be omniscient about it all...

[CMJeepster 2,780]

1 minute ago, Xtors said:

Agreed. And the state will expect us to be omniscient about it all...

Exactly!