Dan 177 Posted April 28, 2011 The 74 5.45 mags I got from Isaac are black plastic/Bakelite, whatever it its. Pretty interesting as they are sorta a hybrid, as the top portion that inserts into the rifle is metal melted/merged into the plastic mag body. Just an FYI... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted May 4, 2011 Want to dedicate this rifle to JManted because he is the one who told me about this forum and he is the one told us about the custom stock. Thank you !!! Sorry for the iPhone pic the best I can do right now. Disclaimer: the rifle was upgraded with NJ legal parts and according to NJ laws based on the best interpretation of those regulations. The muzzle break is permanently pinned. The stock is permanently pinned. What looks like a 30rd mag is a shell that was permanently modified to be able to hold only 15rds as per NJ regulations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted May 5, 2011 Nice! I love that stock! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 5, 2011 I don't like the stock, not a fan of the hammer and sickle. But I understand if it's of your heritage. I'd prefer something, American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted May 5, 2011 I don't like the stock, not a fan of the hammer and sickle. But I understand if it's of your heritage. I'd prefer something, American. not this again, Ray... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 5, 2011 Welcome to America, were I'm allowed to voice my opinion. You don't like it, go back to where ever you came from!!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tosser 61 Posted May 5, 2011 Welcome to America, were I'm allowed to voice my opinion. You don't like it, go back to where ever you came from!!! This is a private forum, your freedom of speech doesn't apply here. You CAN be censored... 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 5, 2011 Sensor me, please. Somebody sensor me. All I said was I don't like his stock. Sensor me, go ahead. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted May 5, 2011 Sensor me, please. Somebody sensor me. All I said was I don't like his stock. Sensor me, go ahead. It's "censor", and no one is going to do that, Ray. Relax. I was just making a comment; not telling you to stop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbk 188 Posted May 5, 2011 Damnit, Ray. Legion of AK users unite to bury this guy who's spewing AK hate in the AK forum ETA: That's a good looking rifle, tuktuk. Ultimak-railed-gas-tube-mount-thing? Seems like a really nice piece of kit, even if it makes the purists cry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 5, 2011 It's not AK hate, it's communist hate. AK's rock! It's the political party they are attached to that sucks nutz. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted May 5, 2011 I don't like the stock, not a fan of the hammer and sickle. But I understand if it's of your heritage. I'd prefer something, American. well, it was made in america and the money is going into our economy. more than it would if you buy a glock Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted May 5, 2011 ETA: That's a good looking rifle, tuktuk. Ultimak-railed-gas-tube-mount-thing? Seems like a really nice piece of kit, even if it makes the purists cry. Thank you Sir. It's a project rifle so it's work in progress. Wood furniture was horrible so it had to go. GlennP told me about ultimak which is perfect for my eotech. It sits very firm in place. Took some time for it to get in just right and I'm very happy with the end result. Upgraded the recoil spring to Wolf +15% spring cause the bolt would just get stuck in the middle. It eliminated that issues but now sometimes it would get stuck when you are trying to pull it back. Like I said : work in progress. I think at some point when all of the mechanical issues are done with I will paint the rifle over. Taking her to the range on Sunday. Let's see how she dances. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
junkmanted 54 Posted May 5, 2011 tuk nice gun and glad to help out!! I love the stock ! Keith does nice work Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted May 5, 2011 Thank you Sir. It's a project rifle so it's work in progress. Wood furniture was horrible so it had to go. GlennP told me about ultimak which is perfect for my eotech. It sits very firm in place. Took some time for it to get in just right and I'm very happy with the end result. Upgraded the recoil spring to Wolf +15% spring cause the bolt would just get stuck in the middle. It eliminated that issues but now sometimes it would get stuck when you are trying to pull it back. Like I said : work in progress. I think at some point when all of the mechanical issues are done with I will paint the rifle over. Taking her to the range on Sunday. Let's see how she dances. Head over to Saiga forums and look at user Pauly. He has a treatment called "glass bolt" that drastically reduces friction between the bolt and the receiver. He also profiles the hammer and makes sure that all work smoothly without any hangups. It made a world of difference for my Saiga-12. Edit: Glenn's post made me think of the hammer profiling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted May 5, 2011 tuktuk, are you sure its the bolt hanging up on the reciever or is it the hammer...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 5, 2011 Thank you Sir. It's a project rifle so it's work in progress. Wood furniture was horrible so it had to go. GlennP told me about ultimak which is perfect for my eotech. It sits very firm in place. Took some time for it to get in just right and I'm very happy with the end result. Upgraded the recoil spring to Wolf +15% spring cause the bolt would just get stuck in the middle. It eliminated that issues but now sometimes it would get stuck when you are trying to pull it back. Like I said : work in progress. I think at some point when all of the mechanical issues are done with I will paint the rifle over. Taking her to the range on Sunday. Let's see how she dances. the support brackets for your ultimak rail might be too tight.. it might be putting too much pressure on the gas piston... manually charge the gun.. and back the four bolts out a tad... see if that makes the gun cycle substantially smoother.. you CAN over tighten those bolts... and I have worked on a gun where it made it not cycle correctly.. loosening those bolts fixed it.. not sure if that is YOUR problem.. but I would check it out.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris327 30 Posted May 5, 2011 tuktuk it looks good, again i dont like the hammer and sickle but if thats what your into. but the rest of it looks good i like the stock too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted May 5, 2011 Head over to Saiga forums and look at user Pauly. He has a treatment called "glass bolt" that drastically reduces friction between the bolt and the receiver. He also profiles the hammer and makes sure that all work smoothly without any hangups. It made a world of difference for my Saiga-12. Edit: Glenn's post made me think of the hammer profiling. Thank you for the great idea! I will look into "glassing" bolt and internals with my local gunsmith. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted May 5, 2011 tuktuk, are you sure its the bolt hanging up on the reciever or is it the hammer...? Was playing with it and Im pretty sure it's not the hammer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted May 5, 2011 the support brackets for your ultimak rail might be too tight.. it might be putting too much pressure on the gas piston... manually charge the gun.. and back the four bolts out a tad... see if that makes the gun cycle substantially smoother.. you CAN over tighten those bolts... and I have worked on a gun where it made it not cycle correctly.. loosening those bolts fixed it.. not sure if that is YOUR problem.. but I would check it out.. Thank you! Will def try it to see if that's the problem Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted May 5, 2011 Thank you for the great idea! I will look into "glassing" bolt and internals with my local gunsmith. What's nice is that taking out the fire control group and bolt carrier, etc gives you a much better understanding of how the rifle works and is put together. It makes you appreciate the designers genius even more. If you are really into AKs, I suggest picking up "The Gun" by CJ Chivers. It won the Pulitzer Prize and is a history of automatic weapons in modern warfare, focusing specifically on the AK and how it changed politics, military thinking, revolutionaries, etc. It spends a couple of chapters on Gatling and his hand cranked machine gun and Maxim and his portable machine gun that was responsible for much of the carnage of World War I. After that, it's all about the AK. One thing that I found interesting is that the book removes a lot of the Soviet propaganda around Kalashnikov, that he single-handedly came up with this marvel. It was more an evolutionary process than revolutionary, using teams of designers adding on to older designs instead of the fable of one inspired man working in his shed. It's not meant to detract from the man, just not to make him the entire focus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted May 5, 2011 What's nice is that taking out the fire control group and bolt carrier, etc gives you a much better understanding of how the rifle works and is put together. It makes you appreciate the designers genius even more. If you are really into AKs, I suggest picking up "The Gun" by CJ Chivers. It won the Pulitzer Prize and is a history of automatic weapons in modern warfare, focusing specifically on the AK and how it changed politics, military thinking, revolutionaries, etc. It spends a couple of chapters on Gatling and his hand cranked machine gun and Maxim and his portable machine gun that was responsible for much of the carnage of World War I. After that, it's all about the AK. One thing that I found interesting is that the book removes a lot of the Soviet propaganda around Kalashnikov, that he single-handedly came up with this marvel. It was more an evolutionary process than revolutionary, using teams of designers adding on to older designs instead of the fable of one inspired man working in his shed. It's not meant to detract from the man, just not to make him the entire focus. I'm actually reading that right now. Many people arent aware how the AK actually has ALOT of its design from the M1 garand. Long stroke gas system, rotating bolt, and trigger group. See, its not ALL commie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
McMaster 7 Posted May 5, 2011 Yeah that’s definitely true. Kalashnikov didn't single handedly invent or design the AK himself. In fact, even though mechanically different, the AK design was a takeoff of the Waffen and Fahrradfabrik STG44... which is considered to be the very first assault rifle. In fact the STG44 is the gun that created the term "storm rifle" or "Assault rifle"... it was the very first assault rifle. The Russians took that design, enhanced it and made it into arguably the greatest assault rifle ever conceived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 5, 2011 I do not see a need to polish the bolt.. remember corrosive or not you are shooting pretty dirty ammo.. and if you polish it what then? leave it bare untreated metal? most of the bot that you SEE doesn't even touch anything when moving.. so polishing it would be purely cosmetic IMO.. again I could be totally missing something.. and if I am I apologize.. but I see no benefit to polishing a none friction part.. you maybe clean up a little where it touches the rails and all.. but that is it IMO.. leave the bolt black the coating is lower maintenance than bare metal.. I weighed this all out on my fiances Saiga build which I just finished..it is a flat black gun so was going to polish the bolt because I think it would look good.. but no sense in creating more maintenance... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted May 6, 2011 I weighed this all out on my fiances Saiga build which I just finished.. You know how the internet works.....pics or it didn't happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pew Pew Plates 358 Posted May 6, 2011 ...I weighed this all out on my fiances Saiga build which I just finished..it is a flat black gun so was going to polish the bolt because I think it would look good.. but no sense in creating more maintenance... But...but...its pretttttyyyy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted May 6, 2011 I do not see a need to polish the bolt.. remember corrosive or not you are shooting pretty dirty ammo.. and if you polish it what then? leave it bare untreated metal? most of the bot that you SEE doesn't even touch anything when moving.. so polishing it would be purely cosmetic IMO.. again I could be totally missing something.. and if I am I apologize.. but I see no benefit to polishing a none friction part.. you maybe clean up a little where it touches the rails and all.. but that is it IMO.. leave the bolt black the coating is lower maintenance than bare metal.. I weighed this all out on my fiances Saiga build which I just finished..it is a flat black gun so was going to polish the bolt because I think it would look good.. but no sense in creating more maintenance... Saiga shotguns are a lot more tempermental than rifles when it comes to bolt movement. There are a lot of parts in play there that aren't in a rifle, like gas plugs, ports varying in number and diameter due to bad quality control (Google "Vodka Special" ) and ammo strength (slugs, buckshot, birdshot). The first step to help cure a Saiga-12 that is short stroking is to increase the gas setting, the second is to smooth out the parts. The first choice isn't an option on a Saiga rifle. I hadn't considered the effect of corrosive ammo on the bead blasted bolt. I don't think it would be a problem though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 6, 2011 Saiga shotguns are a lot more tempermental than rifles when it comes to bolt movement. There are a lot of parts in play there that aren't in a rifle, like gas plugs, ports varying in number and diameter due to bad quality control (Google "Vodka Special" ) and ammo strength (slugs, buckshot, birdshot). The first step to help cure a Saiga-12 that is short stroking is to increase the gas setting, the second is to smooth out the parts. The first choice isn't an option on a Saiga rifle. I hadn't considered the effect of corrosive ammo on the bead blasted bolt. I don't think it would be a problem though. already cleaned up the channels and contact points on the S-12... in fact I just did it last night.. but after more reading I will likely just do the whole bold.. for the reasons you pointed out.. thank you for the info though.. I am aware that some of them run perfect out of the box... I am also unfortunately aware that some dont.... even if I have to work to get it going at the end of the day I think it will be worth it.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted May 6, 2011 Vlad.....pics of the Saiga 12 and your fiancee's Saiga!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites