NYSRPA Applauds Gov. Cuomo's Plan to Abolish CoBIS Program

[Malsua 1,422]

This is great news. If NJ attempts to implement this insanity, we need merely point them to the costly boondoggle in NY to squash it.

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ALBANY, NY (01/22/2012)(readMedia)-- The New York State Rifle & Pistol Association applauds Governor Cuomo's proposal to scrap the Combined Ballistic Identification System (CoBIS). After collecting over 356,000 spent shell casings since March 2001 at an estimated cost of nearly $44 million, not a single crime has been solved because of the program.

 

"By any rational measure, CoBIS has been a total failure," said NYSRPA President Tom King. "What is astounding is that there are actually elected officials defending it. Only in Albany would you find people who think that a program which has run for more than 10 years without producing a single result is good public policy."

NYSRPA strongly encourages the legislature to put an end to this farce and pass A-1131/S-459

 

http://readme.readmedia.com/New-York-State-Rifle-Pistol-Association-Applauds-Gov-Cuomos-Plan-to-Abolish-CoBIS-Program/3344626

[Krdshrk 3,878]

ID a gun by a used casing? Ugh - what idiocy is that?!

[Malsua 1,422]

ID a gun by a used casing? Ugh - what idiocy is that?!

 

Have you not bought a new handgun in NJ recently? Both new handguns I've purchased have a factory expended shell in the event NJ wants to do this idiocy.

[LorenzoS 100]

What are they talking about? Crimes are solved using spent shell casings EVERY WEEK on television shows like CSI and NCIS. What more proof do you need?

[hd2000fxdl 422]

What are they talking about? Crimes are solved using spent shell casings EVERY WEEK on television shows like CSI and NCIS. What more proof do you need?

 

[SpacemanFry 51]

What are they talking about? Crimes are solved using spent shell casings EVERY WEEK on television shows like CSI and NCIS. What more proof do you need?

 

LOL, I was just going to say, this is what happens when everybody thinks shows like CSI, NCIS, etc are reality... some people out there actually think that ballistics of a gun are like a fingerprint that never changes.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

Not to mention, shows like CSI, NICS, etc. would be dead in the water if the perp used a revolver. No casings to collect there.

 

Besides which: even if you got the casing, all it can do is match to a type of gun... Glock firing pin mark, S&W marks, etc.

[Shane45 807]

With a spent casing it can be matched to a specific gun provided it has not been altered.

[NicePants 58]

Couldn't this just be easily defeated by the perp picking up their casings? Or, even better, bringing a huge bag of random spent casings and spreading them around the crime scene?

[Babaganoosh 192]

365k shell casings at the tune of 44 millions means it costs the taxpayers 120 dollars per casing.

 

That's union/govt math right there!

 

120,000$ for 1000 rounds of once fired brass! hahaah

[Maksim 1,504]

Shell casings are required in CA.

 

Here is an easy to way defeat this... change the firing pin. Or the slide if you got a glock. lol.

[Pizza Bob 1,488]

It's not just firing pin marks, but also marks from the breechface. Still worthless. There are other states that require fired casings - I believe MA and MD do also. Probably others. If this doesn't work - obviously - what do they think microstamping is going to achieve?

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

[Murphy4570 15]

Have you not bought a new handgun in NJ recently? Both new handguns I've purchased have a factory expended shell in the event NJ wants to do this idiocy.

 

I bought a new pistol last year, didn't have a spent shell with it. Looked unfired too.

[DevsAdvocate 112]

It's not just firing pin marks, but also marks from the breechface. Still worthless. There are other states that require fired casings - I believe MA and MD do also. Probably others. If this doesn't work - obviously - what do they think microstamping is going to achieve?

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Even then, they still had piss poor matching rates. One number I remember was as low as 40% success using that method...

[DevsAdvocate 112]

I dunno about you guys, but when I think of these dumb ideas that the politicians cooked up, I try and put myself in the detective's shoes trying to figure out what happened and who did it... Chances are you find a few spent brass... that'll give you the caliber... maybe the 'boys at the lab' can tell you which gun probably shot it... Or maybe not. But let's say they do, and are like "it was a Glock!" So what then? Look up everyone who owns a Glock and track them down? Okay... that's like 30 million people. Even if you narrow it down to a few folks who had the MO to commit the crime, what's stopping them from tossing the weapon in the Passaic River?

 

Useless. There is no substitute for good detective work...

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I bought a new pistol last year, didn't have a spent shell with it. Looked unfired too.

If you live in a state that requires it, guess what... you have to give the firearm to them and pay them to shoot it and collect a casing.... if the firearm comes with the casing, you have to leave it int he sealed envelope it comes in and bring it to them with in a short period of time so they can file it....

[halbautomatisch 60]

Couldn't this just be easily defeated by the perp picking up their casings? Or, even better, bringing a huge bag of random spent casings and spreading them around the crime scene?

 

I have heard of gangbangers wrapping a semiauto in a plastic shopping bag when they go to do a drive buy or the like, catches the casings.

[KpdPipes 388]

LOL, I was just going to say, this is what happens when everybody thinks shows like CSI, NCIS, etc are reality... some people out there actually think that ballistics of a gun are like a fingerprint that never changes.

 

You have NO idea.....if i had a buck for every mouth-breather who has told me "But they do XYZ on CSI/NCIS/Law and Order, I could afford to retire to a Mansion with my Own range, and full vault full of NFA goodies....If i could meet the guy who thought up that crap i'd kick him in the Jimmies.

[KpdPipes 388]

It's not just firing pin marks, but also marks from the breechface. Still worthless. There are other states that require fired casings - I believe MA and MD do also. Probably others. If this doesn't work - obviously - what do they think microstamping is going to achieve?

 

Adios,

 

Pizza Bob

 

Toolmarks from the breechface are transferred to casings..however, something like reloading, makes the brass useless for matching.

[raz-0 1,259]

Ballistic fingerprint databases are just stupid. For an automated search, you are screwed. If you make it too general, you get back large swaths of the same make and model because modern manufacturing is too consistent. If you tighten it up, it won't find anything because the wear and tear of normal operation can lead to a mismatch pretty quickly.

 

So what they do is try for something in the middle to pull a "short list" and have a human cull it down. The problem is they shove every gun into it. So that poor tool mark specialist drowns while drinking from the firehose.

 

This is why it hasn't produced anything of use in multiple states or Canada.