1911NUT 0 Posted March 15, 2012 Out of curiosity, how many rounds through the G22 and M&P? Also what kind of ammo where you using? Just new fmj 180gr some 165gr probably did a lil over 4,500 through each..should say havent had anymore problems with the m&p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 15, 2012 Just new fmj 180gr some 165gr probably did a lil over 4,500 through each..should say havent had anymore problems with the m&p Thats just bloody odd, I've seen Glock frames break .. at over 50k rounds, and I haven't yet seen an M&P break a block, I'm guessing they had some bad metal in that batch. I think I recently passed 12k or so through my M&P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1911NUT 0 Posted March 15, 2012 Thats just bloody odd, I've seen Glock frames break .. at over 50k rounds, and I haven't yet seen an M&P break a block, I'm guessing they had some bad metal in that batch. I think I recently passed 12k or so through my M&P freak things happen....i've probably passed 5k through myM&P with no problems since i've replaced the locken block Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ronald Silver 2 Posted March 16, 2012 glocks breaking after 50K rounds? interesting. I also heard some HK have a life span of 20K rounds. not sure if that's true or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted March 16, 2012 glocks breaking after 50K rounds? interesting. I also heard some HK have a life span of 20K rounds. not sure if that's true or not. The recoil springs are supposed to be good for 20k rounds before replacement. HK has a service life of far far beyond 20k rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 16, 2012 Two recent ones, over 100k rounds on Hk P30l and Hk 45, with around 10k rounds between cleanings, all original parts. Guns were on display at shot show last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IS45 1 Posted March 16, 2012 This is just a personal question on why HK/Sig owners felt it was worth spending extra money your Sigs or HKs or other "Premium" brands over lower cost brands like Glock and S&W M&Ps. What was your reason for justifying the bigger price tag? Own 4 Glocks,3HKs,Sig220,FNP45 & MP45.In retrospect HKs & Glocks worth every penny spend on. Rest unfortunately not, Price of HKs,isn't easy to justify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BullzeyeNJ 104 Posted March 16, 2012 I have always been a HK fan since I started shooting guns. After a few years of shooting mostly HK's I bought a Glock or 2. In a one sentence summary, both guns go "Bang" everytime you pull the trigger but the HK does it in a more refined manner. Think Audi vs Volkswagen (and before I get cr@p for being a VW basher, I have a VW Passat that I really enjoy driving daily). Personally, I think the HK is worth the extra money (and I cant say the same for Audi). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 827 Posted March 16, 2012 Can happen to anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted March 16, 2012 Well... those all look like kabooms which may or may not be the fault of the istol in question..... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted March 16, 2012 Own 4 Glocks,3HKs,Sig220,FNP45 & MP45.In retrospect HKs & Glocks worth every penny spend on. Rest unfortunately not, Price of HKs,isn't easy to justify. I am trying to understand this. Glocks are around the same price as the M&P and FN, and all are polymer frame with steel slides. Did those guns fail to function reliably for you to say they weren't worth it. The M&P has the Glock beat in grip ergonomics. Pointability goes either way, depending on shooter preference. And with the HK, it would need to be substantially better than the Glock to justify its price. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted March 16, 2012 Lets talk abut price for a second. I think this part of the equation is HIGHLY subjective. I am by no means a wealthy man but in my opinion and for me, anything under 1500 bucks is truly inexpensive. As I have said in other threads, in the big picture the firearm its self is usually the smaller part of the equation. Its a one time expense and if you amortise it over a lifitime or shooting career or the life of the weapon, its a small number. But training, shooting, competitions etc etc is an expense that never stops. So say 1 class a year at $250, 2000 rounds of ammo for a year as a non reloader at say $750 over 20 years, thats $20,000! Pistol cost over 20 years @ 650 to 1500 looks rather small in this picture dont it? As many know I research research research, test test test and then buy the best I can afford with a buy once cry once position on the subject. In the case of the HK, Sig, Glock, FN, M&P your buying thefeature set you like best and the one that fits you well. So there is no best, only whats best for you! They are all good for one reason or another. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyMike24 2 Posted March 16, 2012 First pistol I ever purchased was a p30 9mm a month ago. Compared to other pistols I shot, The HK P30 lem V1 shot the best for me and thats what really mattered. The look of the pistol was also very appealing to me as well. This handgun has been so far super reliable and feels amazing in the hand. I have a few hundred rounds through it and not one malfunction so far. I went with HK because of their track record (although glock and other brands are reliable as well) and so far i am happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IS45 1 Posted March 16, 2012 I am trying to understand this. Glocks are around the same price as the M&P and FN, and all are polymer frame with steel slides. Did those guns fail to function reliably for you to say they weren't worth it. The M&P has the Glock beat in grip ergonomics. Pointability goes either way, depending on shooter preference. And with the HK, it would need to be substantially better than the Glock to justify its price. Ergonomics,pointability of striker fired Glocks&hammer fired HKs USP,P30 & HK45C best for me. None other HGs I own ever fail on range,I just don't like them as much. As far as price,I live only once............ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lunker 274 Posted March 16, 2012 Ergonomics,pointability of striker fired Glocks&hammer fired HKs USP,P30 & HK45C best for me. None other HGs I own ever fail on range,I just don't like them as much. As far as price,I live only once............ Cool. I guess it always comes down to preference. I love my CZ's even though I know that striker triggers are easier to train with than DA/SA. I am hoping for the best with my new FNP-45 USG. I have held them before and everything I have read made me decide to buy one. At least I can have it and the CZ85 Combat cocked and locked, effectively making them SA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zoid 24 Posted March 16, 2012 Lets talk abut price for a second. I think this part of the equation is HIGHLY subjective. I am by no means a wealthy man but in my opinion and for me, anything under 1500 bucks is truly inexpensive. As I have said in other threads, in the big picture the firearm its self is usually the smaller part of the equation. Its a one time expense and if you amortise it over a lifitime or shooting career or the life of the weapon, its a small number. But training, shooting, competitions etc etc is an expense that never stops. So say 1 class a year at $250, 2000 rounds of ammo for a year as a non reloader at say $750 over 20 years, thats $20,000! Pistol cost over 20 years @ 650 to 1500 looks rather small in this picture dont it? As many know I research research research, test test test and then buy the best I can afford with a buy once cry once position on the subject. In the case of the HK, Sig, Glock, FN, M&P your buying thefeature set you like best and the one that fits you well. So there is no best, only whats best for you! They are all good for one reason or another. Great point! And to add to this the gun does hold its value if it's a decent brand. So really the cost of gun less resale value amortized over that many years. The competitions, ammo, classes can never be recouped. But please don't remind me ever again how much money I spend on ammo, competitions, and other costs that I'll never get back, hahaha! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EchoMirage 137 Posted March 16, 2012 first off, $1500 is EXPENSIVE. period. second, when i bought my HK, it was the same price as the glock 21 i bought at the same time. i bought it just because i wanted it. i didnt need it to make me feel better or to have some snobbish 'i paid more for my guns so im better then you' attitude that many have 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shane45 807 Posted March 16, 2012 Well.... my buddy that has drawer after drawer of full customs, and other drawrs ful of wilsons, bears, browns etc etc would likely disagree with you He would see 1500 as a bargain! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 16, 2012 first off, $1500 is EXPENSIVE. period. second, when i bought my HK, it was the same price as the glock 21 i bought at the same time. i bought it just because i wanted it. i didnt need it to make me feel better or to have some snobbish 'i paid more for my guns so im better then you' attitude that many have I highly doubt many people buy Hk to be snobbish. When I bought my slightly used SVI, the last thing on my mind was "Oh wow, i'm awesome cause I spent so much money on an SVI." In the world of guns, $1500 really is quite reasonable for a quality, purpose built gun. $850 for an Hk is not as out of the ball park considering you have Springfield XDm at $720 (5.25" models) right now, new Gen 4's are $600, Sigs over $900 for certain models. At the same time, you buy a glock, add in night sights, trigger enhancements and you are over $850 anyway. To the same tune, we can say we are all snobs for owning glocks, m&p's, berretta's because we do not buy Lorcins and Hi points. Expensive is a relative term. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 17, 2012 Well... those all look like kabooms which may or may not be the fault of the istol in question..... TROLL ALERT Reloading? Yeah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gorilla800lbs 12 Posted March 17, 2012 Just like everyone on the highway who drives slower than you is an idiot and everyone who's faster than you is surely a maniac... Everyone who's paying more for his guns than you do is an elitist and a snob, and everyone who likes to pay less for his guns is a cheapskate! Edit: phone typos 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 17, 2012 Just like everyoneone the highway who drives slower than you is an idiot and everyone who's faster than you is surely a maniac... Everyone who's paying more for his guns than you do is an elitist and a snob, and everyone likes to pay for his guns less is a cheapskate! What makes HK's plastic 400 dollars more than Glocks/M&Ps/XDs? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 17, 2012 What makes HK's plastic 400 dollars more than Glocks/M&Ps/XDs? ray ray, it is only $100 more than XD, and $250 over Glocks and m&p's. the difference is, over those two, better ergonomics, hammer fired gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 17, 2012 ray ray, it is only $100 more than XD, and $250 over Glocks and m&p's. the difference is, over those two, better ergonomics, hammer fired gun. How much are these pistols? From cheapest to most expensive? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 17, 2012 m&p $500 to $600, Glock gen 4 are $600 or so, XDm 5.25 are $720. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted March 17, 2012 Just like everyoneone the highway who drives slower than you is an idiot and everyone who's faster than you is surely a maniac... Everyone who's paying more for his guns than you do is an elitist and a snob, and everyone likes to pay for his guns less is a cheapskate! love george carlin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted March 17, 2012 m&p $500 to $600, Glock gen 4 are $600 or so, XDm 5.25 are $720. what do XDs go for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maksim 1,504 Posted March 17, 2012 The new XDm 5.25 models are mid $700's. msrp of $800. heard me right pappi. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonF 79 Posted March 17, 2012 The new XDm 5.25 models are mid $700's. msrp of $800. heard me right pappi. Dude, he's trollin' you. He knows damn well how much the guns cost. And if he didn't, its a quick trip to Bud's to figure it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vlad G 345 Posted March 17, 2012 the difference is, over those two, better ergonomics, hammer fired gun. Ergonomics are subjective so that doesn't really hold water, some people's hands fit the glock 2x4 profile (the poor bastards), but I'm curious why you think hammer fired is better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites