If you can legally own this, will you buy it?

[hiker88 22]

I just saw this offer and it's supposed to be "on sale".

 

http://www.kygunco.com/products2.cfm/id/57366/name/ingram-m10-mac-10-45-acp-full-auto

[JamesC 2]

I'd say no - it's not really my style of weapon. That said, it'd be one hell of a talking piece.

[Dan 177]

Nah, FA isn't that important to me. For that kind of money , I would buy something way nicer. If I was in a title III mood and by some miracle we were allowed to in NJ, I would go for something more exotic like a BAR or MG34.

[JamesC 2]

... I would go for something more exotic like a BAR or MG34.

 

Seconded.

[RedBowTies88 41]

Na, if I'm going to go full auto its going to be something with a lot more punch then a pistol cartridge

[hiker88 22]

I wonder how much a full auto AR or AK would sell at right now.

[hiker88 22]

Na, if I'm going to go full auto its going to be something with a lot more punch then a pistol cartridge

 

more expensive ammo as well... I guess going to the range with 500 rds will give you less than 5 minutes of fun.

[deadeye74 5]

Not really interested in FA but would consider something like a BAR if I could get it legally.

[Tactical Turtle 11]

Depends, would suck though 25 bux a minute to shoot. In 9mm I would

[Ronald Silver 2]

I like the WWII stuff better...

[RedBowTies88 41]

more expensive ammo as well... I guess going to the range with 500 rds will give you less than 5 minutes of fun.

 

Not really, .223 and 7.62 are cheaper then .45acp

[Pew Pew Plates 358]

Sub guns are boring. I want to FEEL it if I dumped that much cash on a gun

[this_is_nascar 162]

No, I would not own it. It seems a bit overpriced to me. In addition, I'd never be able to afford to fire it.

[NicePants 58]

Not really interested in FA but would consider something like a BAR if I could get it legally.

 

Mmmmmmmm... Full-auto BAR...

 

[Kaiser7 33]

Yeah, Assuming I had the cash for ammo and such, picking a full auto SMG/Machine Pistol I'd probably get something like these...

 

 

Yes, not really a SMG or MP, but still, this is probably the coolest gun ever made.

 

Or an MP40, or MP7. I guess I really have a thing for German small arms....

[BlueLineFish 615]

No Mac 10 for me. I'm not a hooray looking to spray other gangbangers. Full auto is overrated. For that price I am not sure what I would get but definitely no that

[Vlad G 345]

For those who think thats expensive, as far as class III stuff goes, that is one of the CHEAPEST options available. A quick check of the web says AK's are about $16k, MP5s $20k, Thompson's $25k, M16s about $24k, and so on.

 

I'm all for people owning them, but I have no use for them, short of suppressive fire I don't see the point.

[Kaiser7 33]

For those who think thats expensive, as far as class III stuff goes, that is one of the CHEAPEST options available. A quick check of the web says AK's are about $16k, MP5s $20k, Thompson's $25k, M16s about $24k, and so on.

 

I'm all for people owning them, but I have no use for them, short of suppressive fire I don't see the point.

 

I don't mind FA, hell, I'd like to get some FA some day. But how the hell is an AK $16k? They sell for like $10 in Africa.

[Dan 177]

I don't mind FA, hell, I'd like to get some FA some day. But how the hell is an AK $16k? They sell for like $10 in Africa.

 

Lol so true. Not to mention all the non-registered FA bring-home WW2 guns that are out there with. In the US, its not the gun that drives the value, it is that piece of paper that comes with it. Just like in NJ liquor licenses can easily sell for $250K. Govt control at its finest.

[Kaiser7 33]

Lol so true. Not to mention all the non-registered FA bring-home WW2 guns that are out there with. In the US, its not the gun that drives the value, it is that piece of paper that comes with it. Just like in NJ liquor licenses can easily sell for $250K. Govt control at its finest.

 

Is it just a state thing, or Fed? I mean, you watch shows like "Sons of Guns" and you see all the FA guns they have on there, and people buying them, I figured that it wasn't that crazy overpriced.

 

Then again, most criminals can get that stuff, but after all, they are "rebels." They TRULY embrace the American spirit, and as such patriots, it's okay if they use illegal guns to kill people, because the government must protect them from dangerous armed civilians and such.

[Vlad G 345]

FA weapons are on a closed registry since 1986. That means that no new ones can be sold to civilians, only ones already registered (something like 200k or so of them). Some states like NJ don't allow them at all, in the states that do you have to go through huge paperwork with the ATF for each one.

 

When you see Sons of Guns do their thing you will note that a lot of their work is for police/military/contractors that can bypass that law or working on existing weapons.

[Kaiser7 33]

FA weapons are on a closed registry since 1986. That means that no new ones can be sold to civilians, only ones already registered (something like 200k or so of them). Some states like NJ don't allow them at all, in the states that do you have to go through huge paperwork with the ATF for each one.

 

When you see Sons of Guns do their thing you will note that a lot of their work is for police/military/contractors that can bypass that law or working on existing weapons.

 

I always thought that was part of the AWB which was allowed to expire. God, that's a shame, those 200K likely won't last forever . They should get that repealed.

 

Haha If I ever run for office, I hope I get all the NJ gun owner's votes. I'd do whatever I could to get CCW nationwide, repeal restrictions on FA, etc.

[JackDaWack 2,895]

I don't mind FA, hell, I'd like to get some FA some day. But how the hell is an AK $16k? They sell for like $10 in Africa.

 

It's not even the gun that cost upwards of 10k+, were talking about the FA sear alone that costs that much. FA sears are stamped, and that is the part that gets registered with the ATF. Since they don't make them legally available to civilians anymore, you basically pay what ever the seller wants. I've seen m16 sears go for 10k, you could have one machined for like 50 bucks. But our govt wouldn't like that very much. If you have a FA BCG and your selector works, you can basically drop the sear in and go FA.... there are very minor differences between FA/SA ar15.

[johnp 45]

If I had won the mega millions I would've bought one, just for shits and giggles.

[Krdshrk 3,878]

Eh - I wouldn't want that nasty forward grip/barrel shroud....

[Sivl32 27]

If it was given to me sure, then I would sell it and few things i would rather have.

[bulpup 98]

full auto needs belted ammo. Anything less is just a toy.

[KpdPipes 388]

Nah, FA isn't that important to me. For that kind of money , I would buy something way nicer. If I was in a title III mood and by some miracle we were allowed to in NJ, I would go for something more exotic like a BAR or MG34.

 

Umm you do realize that for a BAR or MG34 Transferrable you're talking in the area of between oh, say $25,000.00 and $75,000.00 Right??? A Mac SMG, SW 76/Swedish-K, American 180, and Ruger AC556 are about the ONLY Transferrable Machineguns you're going to find in the $5k and under range. Any of the :"Way Nicer" stuff YOU guys are thinking of is in the "I could buy a new car with that" range when it comes to Money.

[KpdPipes 388]

It's not even the gun that cost upwards of 10k+, were talking about the FA sear alone that costs that much. FA sears are stamped, and that is the part that gets registered with the ATF. Since they don't make them legally available to civilians anymore, you basically pay what ever the seller wants. I've seen m16 sears go for 10k, you could have one machined for like 50 bucks. But our govt wouldn't like that very much. If you have a FA BCG and your selector works, you can basically drop the sear in and go FA.... there are very minor differences between FA/SA ar15.

 

No, No, No, NO FRICKIN NO...Sorry jack but please stop because you dont have a CLUE of what you are talking about. in SOME cases, yes you are talking about the sear alone. Specifically, for an M-16, you are talking about what is called a "Registered Drop-in Auto Sear" (DIAS), ot "Registered Lightning Link" (RLL) (You can google the details on thhem_ Those and ONLY THOSE Two Devices can take a Semi-auto Ar-15 and make it run full-auto..THAT is why they are Registered. An "M-16" or Permanently Converted (3-hole receiver) AR-15, LOWER RECIEVER is the Machinegun, and that is what is Registered. In Belt-Fed MG's it is (Browning Pattern) the Right Side plate that is the "Machinegun"..with AK's it is the Reciever, not the "Sear" that is Registered as the MG. A Machingun is a Machinegun is a Machinegun, and once something is a Machinegun it is ALWAYS a Machinegun. You can take an m-16 reciever, take OUT the Auto-Sear, and replace ALL of the fire control parts with Ar-15 parts, that weapon CANNOT in that configuration fire full auto..it is STILL a Machinegun, and EACH machinegun type is treated differently, there is no BLANKET RULE to say what "part" is, or isnt an MG, because it isnt the same for Every MG out there. Now just to make things MORE confusing, there are Contradictory rulings as to what is, or is not an MG.. 2 quick examples: M-14's At one time CMP De-milled M-14's, making them Semi-Auto and IMPOSSIBLE to re-convert (The M-14-S). They Literally filled the channel for the selector and other parts with Weld, and re-machined the recievers to match the M1A. This was absolutely FINE for a couple of Years..then ATF got their panties in a bunch, and destroyed most of the M14S's under the "Once an MG always an MG" rule. The other example was the Cobray M-10 "Pistols" which were semi versions of the Mac-10 SMG, identical in almost every respect (including firing from the open bolt) to the mac-10, and sadly INCREDIBLY easy to convert..BATF made a ruling that whoever owned one of those now owned it forever, if they SOLD it, it would have to be as a transferrable MG, and if they didnt put it in the registry before 1986, it had to be destroyed and couldnt EVER be sold except as maybe a Post-86 Sample

 

As far as the Legally Available to Civilians..yes..and No. There are several "types" of NFA Machineguns. You have "Transferrable" (AKA Pre-May 1986) Machineguns, which were in the NFA Registry prior to may of 1986 when FOPA went into effect, and provision 922(o) of that law put a moratorium on the REGISTRY of any New Transferable MG's You have Post-1986 Dealer Samples, which may be possessed, and Demonstrated by NFA Class III Dealers, and Sold to "Certain End-users" which Include, Police Departments, and some Security Companies, which have Contracts with the Dept of Energy to guard Nuclear Plants. THAT is the reason MG prices are so high, what is in the registry is all there is, until the registry is opened again, which is why a Mac-10 that cost about $300 in April of 1986, wqas suddenly with $3K in June of 1986, with simlar hiles for other MG's, with the prices going higher the fewer examples there were. For example (Albeit an extreme one) a GE Minigun transferrable, which STILL cost probaly over $100K is now worth over $1 Million, a Glock 18 of which there are ONLY 3 transferrable int he Country, is worth upwards of $150K IF you could get an owner to part with it.

[KpdPipes 388]

FA weapons are on a closed registry since 1986. That means that no new ones can be sold to civilians, only ones already registered (something like 200k or so of them). Some states like NJ don't allow them at all, in the states that do you have to go through huge paperwork with the ATF for each one.

 

When you see Sons of Guns do their thing you will note that a lot of their work is for police/military/contractors that can bypass that law or working on existing weapons.

 

The form takes about 30 minutes to fill in..it realy ISNT all that difficult..it's just the WAIT TIME that sucks...last i heard a Form 4 was right around 6 Months now.....and you have to pay for your "New" MG UP FRONT, and the NFA dealer sits on it until you get your stamp, since the Stamp is issued by the Serial Number of the Weapon, not the other way around.