KpdPipes 388 Posted August 11, 2012 And there in lies the problem...It's really not rocket science to stop someone on your forum from harassing, baiting and taunting other forum members. It's actually pretty simple to fix. In most places on the net, it's called trolling and is a violation of tos... it's mind over matter..I dont because in reality They dont. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specopsscout 26 Posted August 11, 2012 I'm with you Brother, but in a respectful social environment of common interest and information sharing...it simply shouldn't be...The loud mouthed drunk gets tossed out of the bar. The idiot relative gets told to act right or leave the family picnic, and the forum troll gets right or gets banned. Like I said, it's not rocket science. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted August 11, 2012 Believe it or not, blatant trolling is not tolerated here, and we have very little of it. Also, if you see any comments that you would like to bring to the attention of forum staff, please use the report post function. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oneshot 45 Posted August 11, 2012 What about blatant disregard for spelling ,punctuation, sentence structure and grammar? Just saying Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 264 Posted August 11, 2012 What about blatant disregard for spelling ,punctuation, sentence structure and grammar? Just saying Irony... If we deleted these posts there might be 5 posters left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
almiz111 27 Posted August 11, 2012 I konow a couple of troopers, they just do not have the time to go on the net..when they need something they have their wifes do it.. or their husbands.. escaped that one.. Seems to be a thread in the thread that NJSPs are busier than the whole rest of the workin people world. Well sorry that is crap. As a minimum that is NOT the reason for forum activity, lack thereof, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted August 11, 2012 Seems to be a thread in the thread that NJSPs are busier than the whole rest of the workin people world. Well sorry that is crap. As a minimum that is NOT the reason for forum activity, lack thereof, etc. agreed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted August 11, 2012 Seems to be a thread in the thread that NJSPs are busier than the whole rest of the workin people world. Well sorry that is crap. As a minimum that is NOT the reason for forum activity, lack thereof, etc. Maybe they just dont care that much about guns? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted August 14, 2012 Seems to be a thread in the thread that NJSPs are busier than the whole rest of the workin people world. Well sorry that is crap. As a minimum that is NOT the reason for forum activity, lack thereof, etc. being busy is not the excuse. it's more like they got other interests or better things to do than surf the net. I know a few who are sports and health nuts or just outdoorsmen. weekends are softball games, or running a race, or cycling. There are also a few who are part of a motorcycle club and they go out cruising. let's also not forget the ones with kids where the weekends are booked with soccer practices, baseball, or other things...in other words, just like a normal family weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesbod 0 Posted August 15, 2012 I am sure the "elite" PBA badge with suction cups on car windshields doesn't help the police image. Don't they realize this sort of "us vs them" mentality just breeds more suspicion & resentment from the masses? Whatever happened to "protect & serve" the public, with the public always coming first? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExpendableRaj 1 Posted August 15, 2012 I am sure the "elite" PBA badge with suction cups on car windshields doesn't help the police image. Ah, the good old giant PBA windshield suction cup badge. Typically found in a massive Infiniti QX SUV driven by a single middle aged woman and parked horribly overlapping a driveway/second parking spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holeshot 3 Posted August 15, 2012 Ah, the good old giant PBA windshield suction cup badge. Typically found in a massive Infiniti QX SUV driven by a single middle aged woman and parked horribly overlapping a driveway/second parking spot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDJohnTact 49 Posted August 15, 2012 As far as I know, pretty much every state has some sort of Cyber Crimes division that monitors the internet for child pornography, drug selling or manufacturing websites/forums, illegal weapons manufacturing sites, prostitution, extremist websites like Stormfront etc. are also monitored on a regular basis. It wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that this site, among many others, is monitored on a regular basis. Fortunately, we have a membership made of good people and a good staff, and everything is kept safe, sane and legal. Unlike a few other forums out there, unfortunately. One of the main offices for the FBI Division of Child Pornography is/was in Somerset, NJ. I had a visit from them when I was teaching a few years back. I was impressed by the speed of their response and the thoroughness of their investigation/confiscation of evidence. Without divulging details, I can say that the person was never heard from again. Have I read many posts on here that may be construed as anti-leo, certainly. Fortunately, our moderators seem to keep a tight rein on them. Personally, I have many NJSP & LEO friends (ex-students even) and some family on the job. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted August 15, 2012 I am sure the "elite" PBA badge with suction cups on car windshields doesn't help the police image. Don't they realize this sort of "us vs them" mentality just breeds more suspicion & resentment from the masses? Whatever happened to "protect & serve" the public, with the public always coming first? Ah, the good old giant PBA windshield suction cup badge. Typically found in a massive Infiniti QX SUV driven by a single middle aged woman and parked horribly overlapping a driveway/second parking spot. Looks like you guys have a them vs us mentality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDJohnTact 49 Posted August 15, 2012 Looks like you guys have a them vs us mentality. Hahahah +1 You all do know that those badges are not in LEO's cars, they are usually in friends and family who want to shell out over $100.00 to get them in hopes of not getting hassled. A real LEO does not need them as they just show their real badge if/when they get stopped. We have one LEO in my car club and we always let him lead when we do cruises and rally's, just sayin' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted August 16, 2012 I am sure the "elite" PBA badge with suction cups on car windshields doesn't help the police image. I saw one the other day that was not a PBA badge. It was a "NJ State Trooper Family" badge (or said something to that effect). And yes it was in the windshield a fully tinted out vehicle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted August 16, 2012 Hahahah +1 You all do know that those badges are not in LEO's cars, they are usually in friends and family who want to shell out over $100.00 to get them in hopes of not getting hassled. A real LEO does not need them as they just show their real badge if/when they get stopped. We have one LEO in my car club and we always let him lead when we do cruises and rally's, just sayin' I saw one the other day that was not a PBA badge. It was a "NJ State Trooper Family" badge (or said something to that effect). And yes it was in the windshield a fully tinted out vehicle. I have been a PBA member for nearly 40 years. I have had a NJ State PBA shield in one of my cars for most of that time. I can show you hundreds of active and retired PBA members with shields in their car. The NJ State PBA does not "sell" car shields for donations. They are for PBA members and their spouses. Even then they are loaned to PBA members as shields are marked on the back property of NJSPBA. If you know someone who has a NJSPBA shield in their car and is not a LEO it is probably stolen. Many of these so called "PBA" shields you see are in fact "sold" for donations by so called police charities. If you get close enough to read the shield it may look like a NJSPBA shield but isn't as related by diamondd817. You can start an organization, say the NJ Police Charity, file as a 501c, solicit donations, pay yourself as administrator, and give a small percentage to a LE cause and its legal. These organizations really do nothing significant for LE. The only four legit LE organizations in NJ that I know of is the NJSPBA, FOP, NJ Troopers Assoc, and the Federal Law Enforcement Officers Assoc. None of the solicit by phone or sell car shields for donations. The characterization that you typically find a PBA shield on a large SUV driven by a middle aged woman and its blocking a driveway is not just inaccurate, its stupid. I can't understand what the issue is with a PBA shield being displayed on a car. Make up you own shield and put it on your car. You think its stupid? You're entitled to think that but stupid to me is presenting an argument based on false information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted August 16, 2012 I do not have a shield or pba plates. Neither do any family members. They never will. I feel they make your vehicle a target for those with animosity towards LEO. Plus i never want to worry about somebody following a family member because of the shield or plates. Just like ny opposition to open carry i keep what i am and what i carry to myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diamondd817 828 Posted August 16, 2012 . The characterization that you typically find a PBA shield on a large SUV driven by a middle aged woman and its blocking a driveway is not just inaccurate, its stupid. Maybe not. But 95% of the time it is found on a vehicle (suv, car, etc) that has fully tinted out windows, including the driver and passenger windows. Which I thought was illegal in NJ And more often than not, that vehicle is doing something illegal. Speeding, passing right, parked in a handicapped, talking/texting, etc. It's just a fact. Observe and you will see. Yes, I have a problem with those badges in peoples windshields. As if its a "Im allowed to break the law and get away with it, and put your safety at risk" badge. edit: Now I recall that badge in the windshield the other day, it said "NJ State Trooper Family Member". Which I assume makes you a different class of citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XDJohnTact 49 Posted August 16, 2012 My Nephew paid $135.00 for his shield and holder from the PBA? Yes, it is real and does say it is property of the PBA on the back. He has it on his blacked out Mustang! He is not a cop, he owns car washes. The FOP calls me at least twice a year for donations and when I sent them $$, they send me a FOP sticker for my car. I no longer give them my money, I give it to my local PBA (and they send me a sticker for my car). The PBS does not call me, they just send me a letter asking for money. I am more than happy to support my local PBA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holeshot 3 Posted August 16, 2012 I bought a card for $1.00 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesbod 0 Posted August 16, 2012 Looks like you guys have a them vs us mentality. Let's have a honest reality check. We "civilians" are not the ones driving around with these "badges" on our autos. So, why are we now the villains? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jamesbod 0 Posted August 16, 2012 I do not have a shield or pba plates. Neither do any family members. They never will. I feel they make your vehicle a target for those with animosity towards LEO. Plus i never want to worry about somebody following a family member because of the shield or plates. Just like ny opposition to open carry i keep what i am and what i carry to myself. Thank you for your thoughtful comment. There are generally no animosity towards LEO unless we the people feel unjustly violated. I actually blame greedy town & state administrators for pushing excessive parking & moving violation ticket writing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
specopsscout 26 Posted August 16, 2012 How about the folks that put them on thier car as a way of showing the pride they have in the job they do? It's not an easy job to get with years worth of academic testing, recruitment, background checks, medical screening, psycological reviews, and academies only to be able to start day one; followed with more years of probation and peer reviews. There is a lot of pride in overcoming those hurdles, to do a job you love. For some, it may be their greatest life accomplishment to date. No one seems to think those serving in the Military, Firemen, Paramedics, EMTs, et al. are showing an elitist of seperatist attitude when they chose to do adorne thier vehicles, showing thier pride in public service. Let a Cop put a plate, sheild or sticker on their car, though, and there are guaranteed ulterior motives... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red Solo Cup 11 Posted August 16, 2012 I don't think it's just NJSP, anyone who works for a big organization is wise to use discretion in public forums. Everything has the potential to get amplified like crazy in the media echo chamber. Not a lot of people readily identify their employment here, for obvious reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KramD52 0 Posted August 17, 2012 How about the folks that put them on thier car as a way of showing the pride they have in the job they do? It's not an easy job to get with years worth of academic testing, recruitment, background checks, medical screening, psycological reviews, and academies only to be able to start day one; followed with more years of probation and peer reviews. There is a lot of pride in overcoming those hurdles, to do a job you love. For some, it may be their greatest life accomplishment to date. No one seems to think those serving in the Military, Firemen, Paramedics, EMTs, et al. are showing an elitist of seperatist attitude when they chose to do adorne thier vehicles, showing thier pride in public service. Let a Cop put a plate, sheild or sticker on their car, though, and there are guaranteed ulterior motives... You are 100% correct. Problem is public perception. I'm not saying I agree with it, but unfortunately it is what it is and probably always will be. Heck our "illustrious" (sarcasm) governors attack on public employees and demonizing them surely didn't help anything either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holeshot 3 Posted August 17, 2012 How about the folks that put them on thier car as a way of showing the pride they have in the job they do? It's not an easy job to get with years worth of academic testing, recruitment, background checks, medical screening, psycological reviews, and academies only to be able to start day one; followed with more years of probation and peer reviews. There is a lot of pride in overcoming those hurdles, to do a job you love. For some, it may be their greatest life accomplishment to date. No one seems to think those serving in the Military, Firemen, Paramedics, EMTs, et al. are showing an elitist of seperatist attitude when they chose to do adorne thier vehicles, showing thier pride in public service. Let a Cop put a plate, sheild or sticker on their car, though, and there are guaranteed ulterior motives... First, I don't think anyones job is easy. Alot of the first part of what you said can be applied to many, many, professions. As far as a LEO goes I would love the part of being able to carry a firearm much past that I would fail miserably. You have to remember that most of the time the contact a person has with LE is when the person has broken the law (Often a motor vehicle violation). If the officer "let's them go" They tell all their friends the story of the "Cool Cop" who gave them a break. If the officer gives them a ticket, They tell all their friends the story of the "SOB" that didn't have anything better to do then pull me over and give me a ticket. Right or wrong, it's just human nature. People rarely take responsibility for their own actions when they are wrong, but you already knew that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites