Criminals and the Guns They Carry

[SgtToadette 59]

Ran across this piece on another forum and thought you guys might enjoy the read. It's not particularly scientific, but it offers a glimpse into the world of "criminal-grade" firearms.

 

I found it especially entertaining that several of the guns that actually functioned were not loaded with the proper ammunition, and several more would encounter a failure within the first 3 rounds fired. It all goes to show that the AWB was a feel good measure.

 

Enjoy!

 

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/ccm-columns/features/criminals-and-the-guns-they-carry/

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

Good read, thanks for sharing!

 

I especially found this interesting:

 

...Combine those facts and you will see that 41 percent of the weapons we seize from criminals are completely non-functional!...

[Stag 0]

That's a pretty interesting read - not at all surprising that the majority of weapons seized were either completely broken or prone to malfunction within the first 3 rounds. Also not surprising to see a good number had mismatched ammo and magazines.

 

If you're stupid enough to commit a violent crime I bet you're also not too concerned with proper gun care.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

Impression I get is that in many cases a handgun is carried by a criminal as a "prop" for intimidation more than as an actual, effective and functional weapon.

[Daedalus 19]

It may be interesting to connect the type of crime with the involved weapon. I'm thinking the .22 rifles (for example) may have been seized not because they were involved in a criminal event but came into police possession due to a domestic incident or similar. Still an interesting article.

[Wojo 98]

Good read.

 

During a class in Newark, the LEO's brought out a bunch of firearms that were used in recent crimes. The majority were in such disrepair, I wouldn't shoot them period. Unsafe was an understatement. They had a Marlin 336 that had a Duct Tape stock...nice. Lots of KelTec's though.

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Good info. Thanks for posting it.

 

In the article, the author mentions studying criminal behavior, for example what strategies they use to ambush people, what ruses they use to get close enough, etc. I would like to find out more about that.

[Dan 177]

Good read.

 

During a class in Newark, the LEO's brought out a bunch of firearms that were used in recent crimes. The majority were in such disrepair, I wouldn't shoot them period. Unsafe was an understatement. They had a Marlin 336 that had a Duct Tape stock...nice. Lots of KelTec's though.

 

So that's where all the KSG's are going....

[Wojo 98]

Good info. Thanks for posting it.

 

In the article, the author mentions studying criminal behavior, for example what strategies they use to ambush people, what ruses they use to get close enough, etc. I would like to find out more about that.

 

Read the book, "The Gift of Fear" by Gavin DeBecker. Best defensive reading ever.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

I love to see all the guns criminals use and the condition they are in. It's really interesting. Thanks for posting.

[alec.mc 180]

Thanks, so now I know if I'm going to be shot in Newark, there is only a 48% chance of getting hit.

[djg0770 481]

Thanks, so now I know if I'm going to be shot in Newark, there is only a 48% chance of getting hit.

 

Actually the statistics don't take into account the bad aim of most criminals. I would place a 50% multiplier on that statistic and say you only have a 24% chance of actually getting hit...

[vjf915 456]

I was thinking about this thread over the weekend, and I just can't help but poke holes in the reliability of the statistics. These are numbers collected from guns used by criminals THAT WERE CAUGHT. I think the results are skewed because of this for one simple reason...being caught could easily be connected with their lack of intelligence, and their lack of intelligence likely also played a role in the lack of gun knowledge and maintenance. It's not a proper representation of all guns used in crimes, just the guns of those who were caught. Unfortunately it's impossible to collect accurate data, so this is roughly the best data we can get.

[SgtToadette 59]

I don't remember where exactly I heard this, but I believe .22lr is the round that kills the most people each year. I presume this is due to it's low cost and the availability of cheap firearms chambered for the round. But I do agree that this is hardly a scientific article as I'm sure well funded gangs will have better weaponry than your average run-of-the-mill criminal looking to make a few bucks.

[tony357 386]

I see one 50 cal was reported, when looking at the list, i can only assume this was a Glock with a conversion kit.. Since none of the usual 50 cal guns were not listed..

[Sandy 44]

I was thinking about this thread over the weekend, and I just can't help but poke holes in the reliability of the statistics. These are numbers collected from guns used by criminals THAT WERE CAUGHT. I think the results are skewed because of this for one simple reason...being caught could easily be connected with their lack of intelligence, and their lack of intelligence likely also played a role in the lack of gun knowledge and maintenance. It's not a proper representation of all guns used in crimes, just the guns of those who were caught. Unfortunately it's impossible to collect accurate data, so this is roughly the best data we can get.

 

It is also a function of poverty and destitution . The higher level drug dealers and gang bangers , well compensated by their criminal activity , have better functioning guns , I'm sure. It is the street urchin trying to mug somebody or rob a liquor store that buys a defunct clapped out gun with whatever pittance he can scrounge up .

 

Supposition on my part , but I'm sure they get brought in by the police more often than the more insulated higher level criminals.

[Blacksmythe 71]

I'm sure well funded gangs will have better weaponry than your average run-of-the-mill criminal looking to make a few bucks.

Your right on the money. There was an incident earlier this year and the perps were using squad tactics to corner, issolate and kill an individual. They had modern AK's and shot in controlled bursts......very disturbing.

[9X19 125]

I was thinking about this thread over the weekend, and I just can't help but poke holes in the reliability of the statistics. These are numbers collected from guns used by criminals THAT WERE CAUGHT. I think the results are skewed because of this for one simple reason...being caught could easily be connected with their lack of intelligence, and their lack of intelligence likely also played a role in the lack of gun knowledge and maintenance. It's not a proper representation of all guns used in crimes, just the guns of those who were caught. Unfortunately it's impossible to collect accurate data, so this is roughly the best data we can get.

good post vjf