matty 810 Posted September 16, 2013 CAC card, its what the DoD uses for ID the last 10 years or so. The no personal weapons thing is a Clinton thing. The no issue weapon carry is way older than that. Not a lot of military people are actually issued weapons permanently. They are given them only when needed, then turn them back in. One of the Naval officers that was interviewed during the day claimed that even with what he called a CAT card ( ? ), he was not permitted to carry his sidearm while there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Contrvlr 17 Posted September 16, 2013 Thanks for the info matty Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arbelest 29 Posted September 16, 2013 While this is a very sad event, we must look like a total joke to the rest of the world. Only in America is the military unarmed. Can you imagine any military base in China, Russia, North Korea, Iran or anywhere else where the military personnel don't have weapons. We have become a joke. And in those countries traitors are shot on the spot.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted September 16, 2013 This guy has other gun charges Discharge a firearm in his apartment Another Shot tires out on construction workers tires Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted September 16, 2013 16th mass shooting since Obama took office. Quite a coincidence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_G 51 Posted September 16, 2013 Don't know if it's true or not. NBC Washington: Navy Yard Shooting suspect took assault rifle, pistol from cops he ambushed http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 682 Posted September 16, 2013 Options, discretion, rights... You just don't have a slightest clue how military operates and what it takes to keep the discipline. Google it or something. Well that pretty much settles it then. Great polemic skills there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 682 Posted September 17, 2013 In 19 years in the military, I have never seen this. Maybe it's on the books but just not practiced? Also note that many units don't have sidearms for all of their officers. In my National Guard infantry unit, sidearms are only issued to machine gunners to be used as a secondary self-defense weapon, although I think the commander has one. I think most infantry units only have about 9 or 10 pistols - it's just not that useful of a weapon for what we do. But like I said before, when not being used in a training environment, I could see those pistols going to staff-level NCOs on a rotating duty basis. Yeah, I think my original statement was incorrect. Sorry for the misinformation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 890 Posted September 17, 2013 Don't know if it's true or not. NBC Washington: Navy Yard Shooting suspect took assault rifle, pistol from cops he ambushed http://bearingarms.com/nbc-washington-navy-yard-shooting-suspect-took-assault-rifle-pistol-from-cops-he-ambushed/ anymore on this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted September 17, 2013 This will get buried because its not some gun toting nutty white guy. Just like the shooting at the beer distributor years back. Doesnt help their cause especially since i am already hearing this guy may be a muslim brotherhood sympathizer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravozulu14 0 Posted September 17, 2013 I don't know about getting buried. I could see this turning into a "valid" argument for disarming military vets because they are "PTSD raving madmen" or some such. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted September 17, 2013 RIP to the deceased prayers to the wounded and affected Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravozulu14 0 Posted September 17, 2013 I'll just have to agree to disagree on the armed passengers bit that's fair. civil discourse prevails! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RUTGERS95 890 Posted September 17, 2013 that's fair. civil discourse prevails! absolutely...lol this is a good board, many of us know each other outside of it and it's good to remain civil. I try but I have 'slipped' on occasion..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted September 17, 2013 I am pretty sure that any officer can carry a sidearm (M9) at their own discretion I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leahcim 682 Posted September 17, 2013 I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist. You are correct. I misspoke, which is why I retracted it above. Thanks for the correction and I apologize for the misleading information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted September 17, 2013 Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Contrvlr 17 Posted September 17, 2013 Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes. What, you mean the guns aren't at fault ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peppers 1 Posted September 17, 2013 Ever notice when Obama gets himself in trouble a shooting happens and the shooter doesn't live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob2222 317 Posted September 17, 2013 I first went in the Army in 1967 and have been commissioned since 1982 and never heard of this "regulation" as it doesn't exist. Aren't Flag officers issued a personal sidearm as a badge of rank, which they are able to purchase when they retire? I thought this might explain the reports of older men in uniforms who were seen on security cameras with guns and lead to the reports of three shooters. http://www.army.mil/article/6938/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikeythumbs 1 Posted September 17, 2013 I know a person who is a air force investigator that has alot of overseas deployment experience and when they came to fort dix to do traing they brought there weapons with them but had to store them in the armory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravozulu14 0 Posted September 17, 2013 Most tragedies on this scale require a number of people who screwed up, so far the obvious seems to be the justice system and how it dealt with this guys multiple firearms discharges, as well as those involved with granting him security passes. Seems he wasn't very thoroughly vetted by the Navy as well. Multiple firearm discharges, shot a woman's tires out because he was mad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bravozulu14 0 Posted September 17, 2013 and had a history of serious mental health issues http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_NAVY_YARD_SHOOTING_GUNMAN_MENTAL_HEALTH?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-17-08-03-32 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TulsaJohn 1 Posted September 17, 2013 Investigators now doubt that an ar was used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted September 17, 2013 You mean CNN was wrong about the "Automatic Ar-15 shotgun"? atlantic firearms does sell an ar shotgun but it is not automatic http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/natmil-tk-uzkon-br-99-semi-auto-shotgun-detail.html?Itemid=0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mp123 0 Posted September 17, 2013 Oh, and don't forget female infantry - that's the important one. http://www.rachelpapo.com/serial1.html If we had a few of these "female infantry" on the base we would not be in this mess. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted September 17, 2013 I heard this morning that there are "numerous" felons that have passed the background checks to work on our military bases as civilian contractors. Forget background checks for firearm purchasers, how about who's doing these background checks for these contractors? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shawnmoore81 623 Posted September 17, 2013 FBI has reported that no ar-15 was used. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arbelest 29 Posted September 17, 2013 AR-15 stock buying just leveled off... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites