Krdshrk 3,877 Posted October 29, 2017 5 hours ago, DirtyDigz said: Pulse in hand. Initial impressions - compact. Comparable size to a Glock 26, although about 1.5" shorter from "muzzle" to rear, and the grip is about 1/2" longer, but still not enough room for pinky finger. Definitely a lot smaller than the M26c then... Dang. Paul - I'm gonna hit you up lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 29, 2017 One more thing - its small, but too big for pocket carry IMO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4theboys 8 Posted October 29, 2017 Just read the 10/20/2017 AG Memo on stun guns: N.J.S.A. 2C:38-3(h) win for NJ resident. N.J.S.A. 2C:39-9(d) win for NJ resident. All other provisions of the Criminal Code pertaining to stun guns remain in force and shall continue to be enforced, including: N.J.S.A. 2C:39-4(d) N.J.S.A. 2C:39-4.1 N.J.S.A. 2C:39-5(d) N.J.S.A. 2C:39-5(e)(2) N.J.S.A. 2C:39-7(a) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djw2033 28 Posted October 29, 2017 So you see it as no carry ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4theboys 8 Posted October 29, 2017 Per the 10/20/2017 AG memo nothing changed except a NJ resident over the age of 18 may now posses and transport the previous banned CEW. Meaning no carrying. Unless the AG amends the memo. A CEW is still under the Criminal Code classified as a weapon under N.J.S.A 2C:39-4(d). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 29, 2017 17 minutes ago, 4theboys said: Per the 10/20/2017 AG memo nothing changed except a NJ resident over the age of 18 may now posses and transport the previous banned CEW. Meaning no carrying. Unless the AG amends the memo. A CEW is still under the Criminal Code classified as a weapon under N.J.S.A 2C:39-4(d). Then why not on school grounds, college or university without written consent. im calling bullshit. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djw2033 28 Posted October 29, 2017 This response is not intended as legal advice but is offered for informational purposes only. As indicated in our earlier e-mail, the Consent Order declared the provision prohibiting possession of a stun gun unconstitutional, making that prohibition unenforceable. So, unless the law is changed, New Jersey law contains no permitting or similar requirement that must be satisfied in order to possess a stun gun (whether at home or in public). And, as previously indicated, there are limitations under the current law which are not affected by the Consent Order. You may wish to consult a private attorney should you require legal advice on this issue. That was my final message from the ag 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacDan 20 Posted October 29, 2017 4 minutes ago, djw2033 said: This response is not intended as legal advice but is offered for informational purposes only. As indicated in our earlier e-mail, the Consent Order declared the provision prohibiting possession of a stun gun unconstitutional, making that prohibition unenforceable. So, unless the law is changed, New Jersey law contains no permitting or similar requirement that must be satisfied in order to possess a stun gun (whether at home or in public). And, as previously indicated, there are limitations under the current law which are not affected by the Consent Order. You may wish to consult a private attorney should you require legal advice on this issue. That was my final message from the ag Sounds to me by the reading of the emails you received they do not have any issue with carrying. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 29, 2017 Caetano was fully carrying. Mass argued she should have had a ccw instead ( they alow Americans to carry in that state..) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 29, 2017 2 hours ago, 4theboys said: Per the 10/20/2017 AG memo nothing changed except a NJ resident over the age of 18 may now posses and transport the previous banned CEW. Meaning no carrying. Unless the AG amends the memo. A CEW is still under the Criminal Code classified as a weapon under N.J.S.A 2C:39-4(d). Who are you? 20 poster? Hmmn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted October 29, 2017 Who are you? 20 poster? HmmnFair question Zeke.....[emoji848] 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 29, 2017 @4theboys stop pm ing me.. I’ve done my independent research. period Every win you have to expect sumtin... jus sayen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
4theboys 8 Posted October 29, 2017 @Zeke no problem at all. As I said to you in the message not here to pass judgement or debate. Just passed along the information I was provided. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 30, 2017 45 minutes ago, 4theboys said: @Zeke no problem at all. As I said to you in the message not here to pass judgement or debate. Just passed along the information I was provided. Awesome!!! Hi five! Welcome to the entrance of America 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacDan 20 Posted October 30, 2017 Anything pertinent you guys would like to share with the class? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeke 5,504 Posted October 30, 2017 1 hour ago, MacDan said: Anything pertinent you guys would like to share with the class? Caetano v mass 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djw2033 28 Posted October 30, 2017 I just sent the NJSP another email asking if they could further explain there stance on carrying on there person Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted October 30, 2017 Thanks for probing DJW - my guess is you won't see either NJSP or AG's office give you "concrete" guidance on carry legality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,779 Posted October 30, 2017 14 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said: Thanks for probing DJW - my guess is you won't see either NJSP or AG's office give you "concrete" guidance on carry legality. I agree NJ loves "Gray" Areas. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted October 31, 2017 Where is everyone seeing that you can't carry? It seems like it is legal to possess just like a knife as long as you are not committing a crime with it.The only restrictions I can see are in schools, under 18, and prohibited persons. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,779 Posted October 31, 2017 Seems like we have a victory and now everyone's nervous about it. Sounds kinda silly. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted October 31, 2017 I just checked and Amazon, Cabela's, and MidwayUSA will not yet ship to NJ. It may take some time for everyone to get up to speed. I guess I can pick one up the next time I go to a gun show in PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted October 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Downtownv said: Seems like we have a victory and now everyone's nervous about it. Sounds kinda silly. Considering this state, I don’t blame them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, NJGF said: I just checked and Amazon, Cabela's, and MidwayUSA will not yet ship to NJ. It may take some time for everyone to get up to speed. I guess I can pick one up the next time I go to a gun show in PA. pk90 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MacDan 20 Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, NJGF said: Where is everyone seeing that you can't carry? It seems like it is legal to possess just like a knife as long as you are not committing a crime with it.The only restrictions I can see are in schools, under 18, and prohibited persons. That’s how I have begun to understand it as well. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,156 Posted October 31, 2017 8 minutes ago, MacDan said: That’s how I have begun to understand it as well. Let's say you get stopped by a cop, and you have a pocket knife on you. And the cop asks you for what lawful purpose do you have this knife, and your reply is for self-defense. You'll be taking a trip to the police station. There is really only one lawful purpose to carry a taser. It's reasonable and it's rational however that is not how the state of New Jersey will likely see it. One of the problems we have here is that what is not expressly denied is not tacitly implied to be permitted. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tattooo 220 Posted October 31, 2017 IMO carrying one for the minimal protection it may provide assuming all the stars are aligned its just not worth the hassle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 31, 2017 Let's say you get stopped by a cop, and you have a pocket knife on you. And the cop asks you for what lawful purpose do you have this knife, and your reply is for self-defense. You'll be taking a trip to the police station. There is really only one lawful purpose to carry a taser. It's reasonable and it's rational however that is not how the state of New Jersey will likely see it. One of the problems we have here is that what is not expressly denied is not tacitly implied to be permitted.Since when is self defense not lawful? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted October 31, 2017 I stand corrected. NJ doesn't allow carrying a weapon for self defense so that would apply to knives and Stun guns without another lawful purpose. I have a feeling we are out of luck as far as carry goes. In the home they will be fine until NJ requires a P2P to purchase them. Ugh 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 31, 2017 16 minutes ago, PK90 said: Since when is self defense not lawful? Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk new jersey 5 minutes ago, NJGF said: I stand corrected. NJ doesn't allow carrying a weapon for self defense so that would apply to knives and Stun guns without another lawful purpose. I have a feeling we are out of luck as far as carry goes. In the home they will be fine until NJ requires a P2P to purchase them. Ugh wouldn't even consider them in the home Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites