Alex V 99 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) We all know that a side folding stock is a no-go on a semi auto firearm in NJ, so what if we fold the whole rifle in half? I have to say, this looks super silly, but it interesting none the less. https://www.fddefense.com/rifles/xar/ If discussed before, I apologize. Edited May 30, 2017 by Alex V Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
leadunderpressure 52 Posted May 30, 2017 The keltec sub 2k rifles (original version) looked like that and were good to go in NJ.Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted May 30, 2017 I would say that would be ok as long as the stock is fixed. It can't fire from the folded position so you should be good to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted May 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: I would say that would be ok as long as the stock is fixed. It can't fire from the folded position so you should be good to go. I agree. This is like the Kel Tec Sub 2000. A folding or collapsible stock makes the rifle shorter but it can still be fired. This with a fixed stock or the Kel Tec can't be fired when folded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 957 Posted May 30, 2017 A 'Folding Rifle" is legal in NJ as long as it (rifle) meets the other criteria to not be considered an assault rifle. Also - I folding stock is not automaticly banned in NJ If you have a Semi-Auto rifle that DOES NOT have a detachable mag - you can have a folding stock If you have a Semi-Auto rifle with a detachable mag, but has no other "Evil Features" except the folding stock, then it is acceptable. If you have a Bolt action rifle (ie: Ruger Precision) then the Folding stock is legal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex V 99 Posted May 30, 2017 11 minutes ago, JT Custom Guns said: A 'Folding Rifle" is legal in NJ as long as it (rifle) meets the other criteria to not be considered an assault rifle. Also - I folding stock is not automaticly banned in NJ If you have a Semi-Auto rifle that DOES NOT have a detachable mag - you can have a folding stock If you have a Semi-Auto rifle with a detachable mag, but has no other "Evil Features" except the folding stock, then it is acceptable. If you have a Bolt action rifle (ie: Ruger Precision) then the Folding stock is legal Right, I know the folding stock stuff. I was making a gross generalization but you are right to clarify. Totally forgot about the Sub2000 rifles, just thought this was a goofy yet novel idea. I have no interest in buying one, just thought it was fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted May 30, 2017 18 minutes ago, Alex V said: Right, I know the folding stock stuff. I was making a gross generalization but you are right to clarify. Totally forgot about the Sub2000 rifles, just thought this was a goofy yet novel idea. I have no interest in buying one, just thought it was fun. I wouldn't call it goofy. If you need a rifle that breaks down to fit in the shortest possible case a folding rifle makes sense. Most of these folding rifles fold down to 16" or a bit more, the length of the barrel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walt of Destiny 412 Posted May 30, 2017 It's very cool. In the real world an SBR with a 10" barrel and a pdw stock it would be super cool. 300blk please. And oh, imagine a nice Recce 7 on the end. The NJ state senate in unison would shit themselves and run under their desks at the very thought of it. Taking a blasé security attitude by using Tapatalk Pro Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Malice4you 627 Posted May 30, 2017 I've wanted a Sub2000 for years - since I first heard of the first generation. It would seem to be an ideal trunk gun for a state where you can't carry a handgun. The damn thing is tiny when folded. This has my interest. While a significantly wider package when folded vs a s2k, it offers a lot more capability overall. I hope it can run on a standard lower and is relatively affordable. I also hope they didn't use just aluminum where the hook latches on. If it gets favorable reviews, it may be something I get. Hopefully they make them in 14.x" barrels (and shorter for free state brethren) so it can made as short as possible while still being OK in restrictive states Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 30, 2017 48 minutes ago, Malice4you said: I've wanted a Sub2000 for years - since I first heard of the first generation. It would seem to be an ideal trunk gun for a state where you can't carry a handgun. Not to shit in your cornflakes, but I thought the same thing. So I bought one. I dumped it. They are junk. I do not trust Kel-Tec products with my life. Just get an AR in 9mm that takes Glock magazines. You will thank me later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted May 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Ray Ray said: Not to shit in your cornflakes, but I thought the same thing. So I bought one. I dumped it. They are junk. I do not trust Kel-Tec products with my life. Just get an AR in 9mm that takes Glock magazines. You will thank me later. Wait wait wait.... Just yesterday in this thread: You said: Quote 22 hours ago Ray Ray said: Why are we shooting a pistol caliber carbine? They make almost zero sense. Other than suppressor quiet, they have no advantage over a 556 or 300BLK AR type. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
High Exposure 5,664 Posted May 30, 2017 @Ray Ray So now you changed your mind and there is a purpose for PCCs? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 30, 2017 The dude wants a Kel-Tec, so I suggested a 9mm AR. I'm going on what the dude wants, a pistol caliber carbine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 30, 2017 When I said "you'll thank me later". I meant that Kel-Tec is sub par. Not that the 9mm AR is the best gun in the world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted May 31, 2017 I am not sure why.. but an AR that folds in that way makes me very nervous.. LOL it just appears to be a bad section of the gun to be held together by a clip.. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatty 241 Posted May 31, 2017 Imagine all the crap that can get into the chamber, being wide open at the most critical point in a closed-system rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,105 Posted May 31, 2017 What's the point of this? Easier transport? Woo hoo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex V 99 Posted May 31, 2017 13 hours ago, fatty said: Imagine all the crap that can get into the chamber, being wide open at the most critical point in a closed-system rifle. would make cleaning easier lol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites