SJG 253 Posted July 30, 2018 “Defense Distributed’s plans to allow anyone with a 3-D printer to download a code and create a fully operational gun directly threatens the public safety of New Jersey’s residents,” Grewal said. “Posting this material online is no different than driving to New Jersey and handing out hard-copy files on any street corner. The federal government is no longer willing to stop Defense Distributed from publishing this dangerous code, and so New Jersey must step up.” According to media reports, the company’s move to start offering the plans, which include plans for an AR-15 assault rifle and a handgun, comes after a settlement in a lawsuit between the U.S. State Department and the company. “The age of the downloadable gun begins,” Defense Distributed stated on its site, according to a report in USA Today. Its founder, Cody Wilson, tweeted a photograph of a grave marked “American gun control.” Defense Distributed, Grewal said in the letter, plans to “make do-it-yourself guns available to anyone, even if the individuals are prohibited from owning guns because of prior convictions, history of mental illness, or history of domestic violence, even if the weapons they print are illegal in my state, and even if they plan to use their weapons to further crimes and acts of violence. … Not only are these plans to publish printable-gun files dangerous, they also violate New Jersey law.” Defense Distributed made national headlines by developing files that enable consumers to create fully operational firearms with a 3-D printer. Wilson developed a printable plastic pistol known as the “Liberator .380” in 2012 and put the plans online, but was blocked by the federal government, the attorney general’s statement said. Grewal contends that publicizing the files will “flood the illegal firearms market.” The letter also says that Wilson has “no intention of precluding [these] printable-gun computer files, including designs for assault weapons, from winding up in the hands of criminals, minors, and the mentally ill.” “I demand that you halt publication of the printable gun computer files,” Grewal said. “Should you fail to comply with this letter, my office will initiate legal action barring you from publishing these files before August 1, 2018.” PA taking similar action Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted July 30, 2018 This should get interesting fast Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted July 30, 2018 my non-attorney mind thinks that nj, and all others are gonna get a rather painful smack-down on this one. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howard 538 Posted July 30, 2018 The AG must have gone to law school in a different country. The 1st amendment protects free speech, which means anyone can print anything they want on paper or the internet and he can't stop it. Clowns like him don't get that the first amendment is not there to protect popular speech, as no one objects to that; it is there to protect unpopular speech. Things like hate speech should be protected. Drawings that people make are protected, whether they are of a pretty mountain or of how to build something. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Downtownv 1,778 Posted July 30, 2018 NJ Attorney General sued over move to block release of 3D printed gun design Posted: Jul 30, 2018 8:45 AM EDTUpdated: Jul 30, 2018 8:45 AM EDT Video here: http://newjersey.news12.com/story/38764595/nj-attorney-general-sued-over-move-to-block-release-of-3d-printed-gun-design Play Video EDISON - The state's attorney general is being sued over a move to block a website that provides designs to print 3D guns. The Texas-based company "Defense Distributed" is slated to release its plans for homemade guns on Aug. 1, after winning a battle with the federal government. The group's argument is that sharing design files was protected speech. However, New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir Grewal told the group that making the files available to New Jersey residents would be a violation of state law. The attorney General said in a tweet that releasing the computer codes would be no different than driving to New Jersey and handing out hard-copy files on any street corner and that Defense Distributed must immediately drop its publication plans. The state plans to sue by Aug. 1. The founder of Defense Distributed, Cody R. Wilson responded, tweeting, “I have filed suit against the New Jersey Attorney General and the Los Angeles City Attorney. We will not be silenced." 3D-printed guns are not particularly durable, but are virtually untraceable and could be obtained by anyone. The move by the attorney general to block the release of the 3D gun designs has inserted New Jersey into a national controversy about the intersection of the First and Second amendments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 30 minutes ago, SJG said: This should get interesting fast It certainly will be interesting to watch. He has only 39 hours until midnight tomorrow night to try to stop this. And I do not believe he will be able to. The SAF and Defcad will not cave on this. I would love to have been a fly on the wall in whatever discussions may have recently taken place between the AG, Gov Murphy, and Sen Menendez on this topic. I of course don’t buy into the hysteria they are trying to raise. Afterall, could not someone have made their own “zip” gun for decades by just visiting the plumbing dept at Home Depot. And as mentioned in a post above, it’s still illegal in NJ to manufacture. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RichP 115 Posted July 30, 2018 25 minutes ago, oldguysrule649 said: It certainly will be interesting to watch. He has only 39 hours until midnight tomorrow night to try to stop this. And I do not believe he will be able to. The SAF and Defcad will not cave on this. I would love to have been a fly on the wall in whatever discussions may have recently taken place between the AG, Gov Murphy, and Sen Menendez on this topic. I of course don’t buy into the hysteria they are trying to raise. Afterall, could not someone have made their own “zip” gun for decades by just visiting the plumbing dept at Home Depot. And as mentioned in a post above, it’s still illegal in NJ to manufacture. Not to mention that designs, code and instructions for machining "real" firearm receivers via CNC mills have been around and readily available far longer than 3D printers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJGF 375 Posted July 30, 2018 Amazing. So we are now copying China and other totalitarian regimes where they will try to shut down internet sites they don't agree with. I guess book burning's will soon follow. Maybe NJ will move to block access to WhiteHouse.gov while Trump is president. How can any American (including progressives/liberals) get behind things like this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CAL. .30 M1 2,101 Posted July 30, 2018 Let them go full on retard !!! It is the best we can hope for!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted July 30, 2018 Defcad is the website - try to access it from inside NJ and you'll find it's blocked. https://defcad.com/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shooter28 153 Posted July 30, 2018 Last week, Giffords, Brady Campaign and Bloomberg filed a suit agaist Cody as well. It was dismissed the next day. Cant wait to see NJ have to pay Cody for this lawsuit haha 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted July 30, 2018 Hmm.Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 30, 2018 Sorry, Ms. Pandora - The cat's out of the box already! Ain't no way that genie is goin' back in the bottle now. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CageFighter 236 Posted July 30, 2018 F*ck NJ, just drive over the border and download it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeletePLS 178 Posted July 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: Defcad is the website - try to access it from inside NJ and you'll find it's blocked. https://defcad.com/ Its not blocked for me. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunsnFreedom 245 Posted July 30, 2018 It's not blocked for me on my Verizon (work) phone. Although I believe our contract is through NY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, Krdshrk said: Defcad is the website - try to access it from inside NJ and you'll find it's blocked. https://defcad.com/ Wow! I just ried to connect and received the following message: 451: We're sorry, but DEFCAD has been blocked in your location. I tried to connect via my home FIOS router. However NOT blocked when connecting via my Verizon cellphone. Wonder how they accomplished the block. Coerce Verizon perhaps??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted July 30, 2018 As I understand it, although 8/1 was the scheduled release date, I am sure it has probably already been released and will simply be republished or reposted on the net. Prior restraints of speech are almost always shot down. I understand that Defcad has agreed to temporarily block access to its website from persons in certain states such as PA. Out of curosity, I got on their site this am. This link still works https://defdist.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, oldguysrule649 said: ...Coerce Verizon perhaps??? Certainly wouldn't put it past them to try Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 Also note that if you subscribe to a VPN service such as Anonymizer Universal, you will sidestep the block, even if using Verizon FIOS. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TokenEntry 293 Posted July 30, 2018 There are probably two ways to access the site if you are in NJ . . . 1 - Use a VPN 2 - Use a proxy server address in your web browser settings. https://www.us-proxy.org/ Regards, TokenEntry 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 According to Wikipedia, the definition of error code 451 is as follows. Very interesting....Censorship at it's best. HTTP 451. In computer networking, HTTP 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons is an error status code of the HTTP protocol to be displayed when the user requests a resource which cannot be served for legal reasons, such as a web page censored by a government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, oldguysrule649 said: It certainly will be interesting to watch. He has only 39 hours until midnight tomorrow night to try to stop this. And I do not believe he will be able to. The SAF and Defcad will not cave on this. I would love to have been a fly on the wall in whatever discussions may have recently taken place between the AG, Gov Murphy, and Sen Menendez on this topic. I of course don’t buy into the hysteria they are trying to raise. Afterall, could not someone have made their own “zip” gun for decades by just visiting the plumbing dept at Home Depot. And as mentioned in a post above, it’s still illegal in NJ to manufacture. it already is stopped. can't get to the defcad site. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 CAP, read the rest of the posts in this thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,877 Posted July 30, 2018 If your Geolocation by IP says NY or another state, you're fine. I tried from my phone and it said the 451 blocked message. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,263 Posted July 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, oldguysrule649 said: CAP, read the rest of the posts in this thread. i see now! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 Here is the Defcad filing. I quickly perused it and it states(Paragraphs 28 & 29) that Defcad is doing the blocking as a result of the AG's threat of legal action. So I guess this(the blocking) is part of the legal posturing https://www.scribd.com/document/384953267/Complaint-Defense-Distributed-v-Grewal-and-Feuer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JT Custom Guns 957 Posted July 30, 2018 I can get in - no problem, just no interest other than constitutionality........... 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldguysrule649 397 Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, SJG said: This should get interesting fast SJG, you were certainly correct! I didn't think it was going to be this fast, lol. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mrs. Peel 7,157 Posted July 30, 2018 This is a public forum... so pls, let's not have to move this VERY interesting topic into the 1A lounge! What I'm referring to is all the colorful "nicknames" we're giving to our AG. Hey, I don't like what the guy's doing either... but he's just an individual... he doesn't represent all Sikhs, so let's not paint with a broad brush. We probably have some Sikh shooters in NJ... we want them to feel welcome. I'm going to clean up a couple of your posts (gasp! yes, censorship! get over it).. keep the rest of the comments "clean" please. Let's keep this in a public forum to get the widest possible audience. I think people need to know this is happening. I look forward to your cooperation and, hopefully, minimal grumbling! 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites