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Anyone know of a doctor anywhere in NJ that will sign off on this new law that is about to be passed

My BIL,s kid get very sick , brain swelling and other major problems.

You would think that their doctors would sign off on this but they wont which makes me think the state is threatening these doctors somehow. 

anyone familiar with this situation,  this is not for religious issues.

 

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NJ is passing a law to eliminate any type of religious exemptions for childhood vaccines. 

Medical excuses - as should be the case here - should still be fine.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2019/12/bill-to-remove-religion-as-reason-to-avoid-vaccinating-kids-enrages-parents-at-hearing.html

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No laws have been proposed that would affect medical exemptions. No one has an issue with kids with allergies.

It's because of kids with allergies that can't get vaccines that we must ensure everyone who can be vaccinated gets vaccinated.

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19 minutes ago, Greenday said:

that we must ensure everyone who can be vaccinated gets vaccinated.

So, you're OK with the government mandating what we have to put in our bodies? When do they start the chip implantments?

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1 hour ago, Greenday said:

It's because of kids with allergies that can't get vaccines that we must ensure everyone who can be vaccinated gets vaccinated.

What happened to my body, my rights?

It's not my problem of someone else's kid has something wrong with them, right? One kid gets a peanut allergy and all of a sudden 2000 students can't have PB&J for lunch. You think this is equitable?

 

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Vaccinations are one of the true success stories of modern medicine... I find it appalling that we're seeing major outbreaks of childhood illnesses that were nearly wiped out not long ago. Though I thought it was more the New Agey, paranoid anti-vaxxers driving that... than religious exemptions?

Either way, though I don't think anyone should be FORCED to get their kid immunized, I also think that public schools have every right to deny admittance to anyone who isn't immunized without good medical reason. Having a certain percentage of the population vaccinated is critical to keeping these diseases at bay ("herd immunity"). It's not right that immuno-compromised children, those who can't be vaccinated for other medical reasons, or younger siblings too young to be vaccinated are left vulnerable to the ravages of these very serious diseases because some idiot believed the crap pumped out by IDIOTS like Jenna McCarthy (one of the most well-known anti-vaxxers). 

As far as the OP's post, if there are known medical problems with your BIL's child (I'm sorry to hear that btw)... I can't imagine there'd be any problem getting a reputable doctor to give a letter exempting the child from vaccination. If he's getting pushback... maybe get a 2nd opinion?

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36 minutes ago, Mrs. Peel said:

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Either way, though I don't think anyone should be FORCED to get their kid immunized, I also think that public schools have every right to deny admittance to anyone who isn't immunized without good medical reason. ...

Seems like a reasonable solution to me.

https://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/why-religious-vaccine-exemptions-are-on-the-rise-in-new/article_44e09229-957c-530e-9890-07f400b789f3.html

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There were 3,865 religious exemptions among children in pre-kindergarten through sixth grade in the 2009-10 school year, according to the state Department of Health.

That number reached more than 9,500 last school year. [2017]

Really? Nj became such a deeply religious state in 7 years?

 

And how soon we forget

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1 hour ago, Mrs. Peel said:

It's not right that immuno-compromised children, those who can't be vaccinated for other medical reasons, or younger siblings too young to be vaccinated are left vulnerable to the ravages of these very serious diseases because some idiot believed the crap pumped out by IDIOTS like Jenna McCarthy (one of the most well-known anti-vaxxers). 

So, in the case of one immuno-compromised child, the whole town should be vaccinated, just in case? How about allergic to bees, should the whole town be doused with Malathion to kill the bee population? How about hit by and killed by a drunk driver, close down all the liquor stores and ban alcohol?

Where does it stop, that other large groups of people need to be forced to do something because a small minority has issues? Where does personal responsibility fit in here?

1 hour ago, Mrs. Peel said:

I also think that public schools have every right to deny admittance to anyone who isn't immunized

Should public restaurants, stores, theaters, malls, beaches, airports, etc. have that right too? After all, it isn't just the school that the immuno-compromised child will travel to.

We go down a really slippery slope when certain activities get mandated. Just imagine where this can go......

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23 minutes ago, WP22 said:

Nj became such a deeply religious state in 7 years?

Deeply?

...." Public health experts say there’s minimal risk for a disease outbreak now, as only 1.9 percent of all students in New Jersey are unvaccinated due to religious exemptions. "

So, less than 2%, but they want to force everyone else to be vaccinated?

....." Experts do say they are concerned rising exemptions will weaken “herd immunity” for those who depend on others for protection. "

So, it's OTHER people's responsibility for disease protection? How Socialist of them!

27 minutes ago, WP22 said:

That number reached more than 9,500 last school year. [2017]

There are approximately 1.7 million kids under age 14 in the state. 9,500 doesn't even make a blip on the radar.

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51 minutes ago, tomk62 said:

There’s a major outbreak of mumps here at CofC. How’s that even possible if every student has to show proof of immunization to gain admission?

The shots are almost two decades old. Immunity can wane.

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From the discussions on 101.5 this morning it seems the reasons that doctors are not writing exemptions is that the state commissioner of health is grilling them on the matter.   So rather than stand up for their profession they are kowtowing to  the system probably to keep the target off their back.   It makes sense as to why they are not signing waivers.  

on another note I welcome these parents to the once exclusive club previously held by gun owners in NJ who were targeted by these same communists.   what group will these tyrants target next?     Does anyone think that this might be a wake up to everyone who pays taxes in NJ .    yea, I didn't think so.

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I think many vaccinations should be done, but no one should be forced by the state. The flu and chicken pox vaccines I do not agree with. Flu my kids got out of. Chicken Pox I was not able to get around.  MMR should be seperated out and certainly not given with other vaccines at the same time.  At the same time kids who are not vaccinated the state should be allowed to exclude from going to public school, and private schools should be allowed to exclude them as well.  Don't want to vaccinate then home school.  This law doesn't seem to force children to get vaccinated just eliminates the religious exemption for them to attend school if not vaccinated.  I see no issue with this one.  There is a choice.  Also unlike the liability insurance for firearms ownership which is an infringement on a Constitutional Right there is no Constitutional Right to Education in America.  

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At the end of the day, there is no doubt that vaccines can be problematical for a number of children. That being said, they prevent some terrible diseases in a majority of children. This is not debatable. My mother lost three of her older siblings to diphtheria in the early 1900s. I was a "Polio Pioneer", getting the Salk vaccine in the early 50s during a major outbreak. If people want some sort of religious exemption from vaccination for their kids, they need to have their own schools where their kids can't infect other kids.

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2 hours ago, capt14k said:

At the same time kids who are not vaccinated the state should be allowed to exclude from going to public school,

So, do the parents get a refund on all their property taxes paid, that go to the local public schools, since the kids will be banned from attending?

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1 hour ago, Sniper said:

So, do the parents get a refund on all their property taxes paid, that go to the local public schools, since the kids will be banned from attending?

Should everyone with no kids in school not pay that portion of their property tax then?

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1 hour ago, Sniper said:

So, do the parents get a refund on all their property taxes paid, that go to the local public schools, since the kids will be banned from attending?

What about parents who chose to home school or send their children to private school?  Do they get refunds too?

What about parents who’s child has been expelled?  Do they get money back for that?

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8 minutes ago, GRIZ said:

Should everyone with no kids in school not pay that portion of their property tax then?

 

4 minutes ago, voyager9 said:

What about parents who chose to home school or send their children to private school?  Do they get refunds too?

Wow...

Comparing personal choices to being banned from school...

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On 12/14/2019 at 10:07 PM, Sniper said:

So, you're OK with the government mandating what we have to put in our bodies? When do they start the chip implantments?

 

3 minutes ago, Sniper said:

 

Wow...

Comparing personal choices to being banned from school...

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You're asking for a refund of school taxes because of a personal choice not to get their kids vaccinated.

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8 hours ago, Zeke said:

This is a response to what happened in Lakewood last year.

You DO realize that the Lakewood  community is in-bred, right? Cousins frequently marry and at this point the family tree is like a flag pole. They are importing borough Park Brooklyn into the town but they are all related too.

So a little girl asks her mother "Hey Momma, if you & Daddy get divorced, will you still be my sister?

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6 hours ago, capt14k said:

I think many vaccinations should be done, but no one should be forced by the state. The flu and chicken pox vaccines I do not agree with. Flu my kids got out of. Chicken Pox I was not able to get around.  MMR should be seperated out and certainly not given with other vaccines at the same time.  At the same time kids who are not vaccinated the state should be allowed to exclude from going to public school, and private schools should be allowed to exclude them as well.  Don't want to vaccinate then home school.  This law doesn't seem to force children to get vaccinated just eliminates the religious exemption for them to attend school if not vaccinated.  I see no issue with this one.  There is a choice.  Also unlike the liability insurance for firearms ownership which is an infringement on a Constitutional Right there is no Constitutional Right to Education in America.  

I did not realize how cold it is up here tonight. I mean its pretty cold( wind chill is 13°) but I did not realize hell is freezing over. 

I agree with @capt14k statement 100%

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I really hate to see the government get involved in mandating how people choose to manage their health, and I really hate to see the government intrude on religious freedom.   But I'll make exceptions when the topic is vaccination.

Because the anti-vaxers are, and I'm putting this as charitably as I can, morons.

Yes, there are legitimate medical reasons why some people can't be vaccinated, and those reasons must be respected.   But the recent surge in resistance to vaccination in the west is largely driven by misinformed fools who think that being Playmate of the Year in 1993 somehow makes Jenny McCarthy a credible source of medical advice.  Sure, she was only parroting Andrew Wakefield, who before his medical license was pulled, proved to be even more addled than the playmate.

Thanks to vaccination programs, smallpox is EXTINCT in the wild.  No one has caught the disease since the late 70's.  

Thanks to vaccination programs, two of the three strains of polio are EXTINCT in the wild.  The third strain was on track to become extinct in the early years of the 21st century, when a number of local Mullahs started spreading rumors that the polio vaccine was a plot by the west to kill Muslims.  The disease came roaring back in north Africa, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and only now is beginning to trend downwards again.   A similar problem is seen with the even-more-frightening ebola virus.  Two effective ebola vaccines emerged this year, but aid workers in Africa have been repeatedly attacked, limiting use of the ebola vaccine in the very hotspots that need it most.

Worldwide, measles killed 2.6 million people as recently as 1980.  Aggressive vaccination programs in the US dropped the number of annual cases here from half a million a year before the vaccine was developed to ZERO in 2014, when measles were declared eradicated in the US.  That's damned impressive, and it's disheartening to see the disease coming back due to the tireless efforts of the measles preservationists.  There are plenty of species that deserve to be protected from extinction.  Measles isn't one of them.

 

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I think some are missing the point. The option is still left up to the parents. The difference is that kid can't go to government schools as they become a risk to the other children and staff.

We had these diseases knock out and then the Illegal alien peasants showed up we allowed them in our society and now we pay the piper.

The Choice is still there, just might not be what some want.

The Bill did NOT pass in the Senate, so it may be a moot point.

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16 hours ago, capt14k said:

At the same time kids who are not vaccinated the state should be allowed to exclude from going to public school

The other side doesn't want this. It would hate to lose out on a chance to indoctrinate anyone. No child left behind.

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8 hours ago, Geno said:

Get yourself educated about vaccination.

This is a good place to start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dodsGp37M50

A very small number of kids have adverse reaction to vaccination and they should be exempt.

 

 

There is a very small number of people that have adverse health effects for everything medically treatable. 

Would you not try and have a surgery performed if you knew there was a .0001% chance you would die from it?

 

I'll say that while I didnt watch the YouTube video, it's just about the last place I would start any research on a medical topic.. A good place to start would be medical journals. 

Any health decision should come from a logical and informed place.. just like most any other decisions in life that are important. 

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20 hours ago, capt14k said:

I think many vaccinations should be done, but no one should be forced by the state. The flu and chicken pox vaccines I do not agree with. Flu my kids got out of. Chicken Pox I was not able to get around.  MMR should be seperated out and certainly not given with other vaccines at the same time.  At the same time kids who are not vaccinated the state should be allowed to exclude from going to public school, and private schools should be allowed to exclude them as well.  Don't want to vaccinate then home school.  This law doesn't seem to force children to get vaccinated just eliminates the religious exemption for them to attend school if not vaccinated.  I see no issue with this one.  There is a choice.  Also unlike the liability insurance for firearms ownership which is an infringement on a Constitutional Right there is no Constitutional Right to Education in America.  

While I agree, but the state constitution does recognize a FAPE. Free appropriate public education.  

So maybe they can segregate the unvaccinated kids... why should they get the herd immunity if they wont contribute?

 

I saw many challenges to this law, it would have been tied up on court for years.

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Can public businesses choose to ban unvaccinated people? We should add that to the list of things unvaccinated people can't do.

MMR has nothing to do with autism. The flu shot does not give people the flu. People who rather risk their kids dying from easily preventable diseases than get a little prick from a needle shouldn't be allowed to have kids and it's akin to child abuse.

Unless you have an allergy, there is literally no sane reason to not vaccinate your kid.

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