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For what its worth, here is a link to DSG Bloom's presentation at NJSAFE.

For those interested in an analysis of the concealed carry litigation environment by the attorney who filed ANJRPC's challenge:

I went, it was nice, clean and new. Lots of bathrooms, two 25 yd ranges and one 50 yd range. I had the whole place to myself and one rando dude. It cost me 20 for the bay and 20 for ammo. They are light on stock, but that was expected

It's up on YouTube now. Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Tapatalk

Jumping into this thread, as I'm going though a similar situation training my 8 month old Labrador Retriever. This actually is my 3rd Lab, but I'm handling training completely different. I'm in an advanced class now and have been doing tremendous research and planning to make sure I lead this pup the right direction. At 8 months, he's further along with cues and behaviors than my last Lab was at 3 years old, and she was a great dog. 1) The owner/handler has to ALWAYS be the Alpha, ALWAYS, and the dog has to know that. The majority of dog obedience issues are caused by the owners. A dog will only learn (or NOT learn) what the owner teaches it or what the owner allows it to do. Being that the dog is two years old, it's had a lot of time to build up bad habits. The good thing, a dog is always able to learn something new. My suggestion is to go heavy with the treat/reward system to re-train the dog. It's going to take some time, which will mean dedication to the task, and will have to be implemented multiple times a day. EVERY TIME you want the dig to do a task (sit, lay down, come, walking, socializing, etc.) should be done with treats/rewards until she starts to respond to each command instantly. It sounds like you're going to have to reprogram her and get her to focus on the requests of the Alpha. I'll repeat, this is going to take time and dedication to work with and train her. You'll have to decide if you can put the time in or refer it off to a trainer. Regarding the jumping and pulling when walking, my Lab (due to being a puppy) is (or I should say WAS) a puller and jumper. I have a box full of different collars, harnesses, leaders that I've tried to correct this issue. I finally decided to go with a prong collar (which looks medieval), and it solved that pulling and jumping issue. I at first didn't want to go that route, thinking that I would hurt him, but after tons of research and reading and watching videos, I learned the correct way to use it. There is an exact way to fit and use the prong collar, I can't express that enough, plus learning the psychology on how to apply the correction. Using a prong collar the wrong way, is worse than not using one. Your girl sounds like she will need some help in the walking, socialization and jumping area. This collar can help.

I can't speak to any political actions - real or perceived - that happened in the past with these groups. It's honestly just beyond my scope of knowledge (probably pre-dates my interest in shooting). I'm only speaking from a communications standpoint. IMO, as a general rule, ANY 2A spokesperson in this state when speaking with the press should: 1) promote the 2A cause, 2) certainly, promote their own business or group, and concurrently, 3) refrain from trashing any OTHER 2A individuals/orgs/businesses. Sure, squabble and fight for members & donations (that's just life, big deal)... but for goodness sakes, keep the infighting out of the damn press (and social media pages too). Really, is that such a high bar to meet? When someone starts a squabble in a public venue, squawking to the press like a moron, trashing other 2A entities... they are hurting the LARGER 2A cause. And don't we have enough challenges in this state already? People who do that crap won't get my support, it's that simple. Hey... that's just me. Everyone is free to follow their own values/personal guidelines.

Right now in the PRNJ if 10,000 people applied, the courts would be backlogged with cases so the process would take a long time. In the end 10,000 people would be denied. A few might get them for being a friend or relative of judge or politician.

I find that hard to believe. If true, people would use birdshot to hunt deer. Come on Ray.

Okay. So, birdshot is the safest, but what about penetration into flesh? Which round will stop a human? I'd like to see penetration tests on someone (simulated of course) wearing a leather jacket with a wall behind.

Way too short to cover the entire issue, but a great job by Scott Bach getting some airtime for the issue. I would have classified the host as impartial which was amazing in and of itself on a NJ news station. Scott did a great job hitting the major points in the discussion. 1) police have no duty to protect you. 2) people have died because the process to even buy a firearm is convoluted and takes too long. 3) there is a statistical drop in crime in state which “shall issue” Only a couple minute segment but a great job getting some positive press. (No other 2a groups were trashed during the segment.)

Read the suit that is linked in another topic. It does name the police Chief and also the the Judge I believe. I don't think you can sue them personally. They personally may be pro-2A but they have to operate within the law as it is. The ANJRPC seeks to get rid of "justifiable need". We won in DC. We'll win here too!

Completely agree with points 1, 2 and 3. Sent from my SM-N950U1 using Tapatalk

From ANJRPC's website: Please tune in tonight at 11 p.m. to watch ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach discuss the case with host Bill Spadea and other guests. Tune in at 11p.m. to WWOR-TV (Ch. 9, in the NY metro area) Here's the link (with a link to view it online instead) - 2nd item on page btw: https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/RutgersBillPasses

I thought that was why the wording of the suit was particularly clever. By saying (don't have exact words in front of me) - we represent 10's of 1000's of gun owners who would apply, but who don't simply because they know they'll never meet the definition of "justifiable need" - it infers that the law alone is blocking people from applying. Now, whether that's enough to meet the threshold of the phrase "legal standing", I don't know. But, it certainly gives the case much broader "emotional punch" - which I sort of liked.

that is a good one for sure!

I agree, before putting it on a dog, the handler needs to know what it feels like at all stimulation levels. Also, the handler needs a "plan" on how it will be implemented. Many collars have different notifications, some beep, some vibrate before a stimulation is given. The goal is to only go to stimulation very rarely, and rely on the tone or vibration as a "reminder" to the dog. This is why I've said that basic repetitive training is more important, so the dog knows what you want him to do, using a tool like a E-collar as a last resort. One clarification, if a dog has long fur, he won't feel the stimulation, the hair acts as an insulator, so saying it will be "less painful" is incorrect. He won't feel anything. Many collars come with different probes short and long, and they get changed based on the hair level. The probes have to be in firm contact with the skin. Sometimes, with long hair dogs, the hair has to be clipped or shaved at the location of the probes to make skin contact.

I have had nothing but good experiences with Dawson Precision. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

These are like sitting through a time share sales pitch for US LawShield.

Here might be a good starting point Chris... http://www.lpasights.com/en/products/18-cz Adios, Pizza Bob

That sounds like her previous owner wasn't nice to her. It's going to take some time for her to trust you and reduce her fear level. What is the actual reason why she was available to adopt? I didn't see that in your original post. That is definitely a (lack of) a training and socialization issue with her previous owner. It sounds like she wasn't walked and exposed to many other dogs and people. That response can be fixed with training and focus. It will take some time. You should try keeping treats/rewards with you on the walk to get her to focus on you when she gets distracted. Sounds like she didn't get much exposure to walking outside. I'm guessing you have a flat standard collar on her. I would NOT go to the choker collar at this point. You definitely don't want her pulling out of the collar, put putting her into a choke collar without understanding why, she'll just jump and pull on it, which will put a lot of unnecessary force on her trachea and possibly hurt her. The best choice in this situation walking her outside would be the prong collar (and make sure you get the original German version, not a knock-off), but like I said previously, you absolutely need to use it and fit it correctly on her. This issue you're having is a 100% (lack of) training issue, and she needs to be re-taught the correct way to walk and interact with people and other dogs. If you don't want to train with a prong collar at this time, another choice would be the Martingale slip collar. It's not as dangerous a choke collar, but not as corrective as a prong collar. Kinda midway, it will give a correction when pulled, but if fitted correctly, won't injure her trachea like a choke. That sounds like she sees you as true Alpha, but still isn't sure where mom fits in. Mom might need to be more "forceful" and show more dominance. That can happen with females. My wife has a little bit of an issue sometimes with my pup, since he knows I'm the Alpha but tries to cheat with her. If wifey ramps up her "profile", mr. pup realizes she means business. Another HUGE point, since you're working through these new commands with her. Everyone needs to follow the procedure EXACTLY the same every time when trying to get her to sit, stay, down, etc. I can't stress that enough. You all need to use the EXACT SAME verbal commands, the same hand signal, the same positioning, the same treat, etc. Each time a member of the family asks her to follow a cue, that cue has to be a carbon copy, no matter who's doing it. This eliminates confusion, and she is confused enough from her past home. Great point, and that's exactly the issue. She's not sure what's going on, so it's going to take time, patience, training, and love to get her to where you want her. This ISN'T going to be solved in a week or two. You recognize it, so there is definite hope, it's going to take time. I've even got a little bent out of shape with my 8 month old pup, feeling that he's not progressing as fast as I want. Wifey had to reel me back in to remind me he's still a puppy and to chill a little. I've been in that situation too, but this is you showing the Alpha side, which is exactly what you have to do. She has to understand bad behavior has consequences. You ALWAYS have to be the Alpha and be prepared to ramp up the correction to what ever level it takes. Problems start when bad behavior is allowed to continue, even once.

Damn, can't believe I just saw this this morning! I would definitely be interested in a future meeting, as I'm only about a half hour from there.

Recoil is basically a function of the total ejected mass (projectile and powder) with a factor for velocity vs the weight of the gun. An ounce of #4 buck at 1100 fps will give you the same recoil as an ounce of OO at 1100 fps. The #4 will give you significantly less penetration. As I related earlier, in the 70s and early 80s LE was all over full power #4 buck as the answer. They found it lacked enough penetration compared to std OO buck. A low recoil #4 buck would give even less penetration. I think Federal made low recoil #4 buck but don't know if they still do.

I was shooting some 00 buck out of a 88 maverick with a raptor grip yesterday. I didn't realize it was low recoil till I put some #4 buck in there. Not unmanageable but I think some # 4 buck low recoil would be a better choice for my HD needs

Just think about how much your property taxes will go up if self driving cars become a reality. They don't speed, run red lights etc. All towns subsidize their income off municipal court fines and most of that is driving infractions.

This Mornings Asbury Park Press: A Wall man, a statewide association of gun clubs and the National Rifle Association are taking on New Jersey’s gun laws, asking a federal court to throw out the state’s restrictions on carrying handguns in a case they hope will reach the U.S. Supreme Court. Thomas R. Rogers, described as a Wall businessman who services ATM machines in high-crime areas, and the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs, Inc. filed a federal lawsuit Monday seeking to have what they said were New Jersey’s “draconian” gun restrictions declared unconstitutional. The lawsuit, supported by the NRA, asserts that New Jersey’s restrictions on carrying guns violates the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. New Jersey’s law limits the right to carry firearms outside the home to those individuals who can show they have a “justifiable need’’ to do so, according to the lawsuit. In order to do that, the individual “must establish specific or serious threats or previous attacks which put him in special and unavoidable danger to obtain a permit from the state to carry a firearm in public,’’ the suit says. The effect is “to make it wholly illegal for typical law-abiding citizens to carry handguns in public – for by definition, these ordinary citizens cannot show that they face a serious or specific, unavoidable threat that poses a special danger to their safety,’’ the suit said. Rogers was just such an ordinary citizen who passed the required background checks, completed required firearm training courses and met every other requirement to be eligible to obtain a permit to carry firearms in public, the suit said. But, because he cannot establish a clear and present threat to his safety, Wall Police Chief Kenneth J. Brown and Superior Court Judge Joseph W. Oxley denied his permit application, the suit said. “That result simply cannot be squared with the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment,’’ the suit said. Rogers was robbed at gunpoint many years ago while working as a restaurant manager, and now runs a large ATM business for which he must frequently service ATM machines in high-crime areas, the suit said. He wants to carry a handgun in public for self-defense, but is barred from doing so, the suit said. Violating New Jersey’s handgun-carrying ban carries a prison term up to 10 years. Named as defendants in the suit are state Attorney General Gurbir Grewal, and Patrick J. Callahan, acting superintendent of the New Jersey State Police. Also named as defendants are Brown, Oxley, who sits in Monmouth County Superior Court, and Superior Court Judge N. Peter Conforti, who sits in Sussex County and was said to have denied a carrying permit to a member of the Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs who lives in Sussex County. State officials did not immediately respond to requests to comment on the lawsuit. The defendants have not yet filed responses to the suit. Gov. Phil Murphy, in his election campaign last year, said he would direct the attorney general’s office to enforce the state’s gun laws more vigorously than they had been under the administration of former Gov. Chris Christie. Murphy also vowed to sign gun-control laws that Christie vetoed. More: Las Vegas shooting: Guadagno, Murphy split on guns More: Las Vegas shooting: Christie says gun control wouldn't work While federal courts have previously upheld New Jersey’s gun carrying restrictions, the lawsuit is asking the federal court in New Jersey to take a second look, in light of a recent federal court decision striking down a restriction similar to New Jersey’s in Washington, D.C., said Scott Bach, executive director of the Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs. “This is the first time there has been a split among the federal circuit courts,’’ Bach said. “That is usually when the U.S. Supreme Court gets involved. “We fully hope and expect our case and others like it will go up to the U.S. Supreme Court, where eventually this issue will be resolved for the entire nation, once and for all,’’ Bach said. Kathleen Hopkins: 732-643-4202; [email protected] Where's Mr TOO important, Celebrity Lawyer Evan Nappen? MIA? Can't make yourself rich and famous here?

That matching sawback is friggin sweet! I'm not into Mausers much but still a really nice lot of rifles there. Enjoy 'em.

So in other words, the "I was just following orders" defense works for them? Judges should know that the Bill of Rights overrules state law. If they don't get it, they are guilty of "war crimes" against the citizens.

The trainer teaches the behaviors over and over, once she learns the behaviors, it usually pretty easy for anyone else to get her to respond to them. He'll show you the exact method. I'm taking my pup to class, then coming back and teaching my family how to apply the cues to get him to follow and listen. It can be done, once she totally understands the cues. Regarding hand signals, I'm 100% in agreement in combining hand signals with verbal commands. I actually did that indirectly with my last Lab, and it got to the point that I never gave her verbal commands, just hand signals. But, you still need to use verbal commands, as other family members will use them. In the current training with my pup, I'm definitely using hand signals in the training, by 4 months, he was responding to sit and down using them. I absolutely suggest to do both, verbal and hand signals.

Prong collers are good but I've seen better success with muzzle collars. Generally but that was not the case with one of my own dog Easy now, dont insult wiener dogs Am I right? @Displaced Texan

A prong collar along with positive re-enforcement (treats) will be quick and effective leash training.

I’ll try to get one set up in March, even try to make it a monthly thing if it’s ok with the owner Jeff. They have a few classes coming up in March too, I think jeff is just looking to zero in on the days. Basic Handgun Intermediate Handgun Basic Carbine Intermediate Carbine classes are 6 hours each, it’s eithrr going to be three 2 hour nights of two 3 hour nights

Just because you subscribe to a different set of conspiracies doesn't make you any less of a nut.

I was looking for something in my footlocker and look what I found , The ultimate HD shotgun ammo.

The lady doth protest too much, me thinks

Let's stick together, infighting hurts our mission...

Do you have any salt? My foot is rather bland.

Ohhhhh! Was THAT the guy? Yikes. OK, I totally didn't place the name! I remember that - and it was swarmy. Well, what should happen now is that legitimate groups should reach out to that reporter/paper - touting their credentials (X # of members, etc., etc.) and say "we'd love to be a contact for future articles" - then build a relationship with the reporter, always be responsive to their calls, etc.. - and simply nudge the other guy out of the favored position. That's how that should be handled, IMO! Sadly, we have a few knuckleheads in the 2A community who are good at "grabbing camera time" and using it to throw their perceived competitors under the bus - but we ALL lose when they do that. Thanks, again, for bringing that to my attention! I retract my flattery of him (LOL). I really despise opportunistic, disloyal types.

This may be the work of a friend of mine: NJSP Det. Sgt. Brett Bloom. He is assigned to the Firearms Unit at NJSP. He attended NJSAFECON (again), and spoke to the assembled crowd as a guest speaker. He took notes. One of the items brought up at NJSAFECON was the permitting system and its' faults. If I were a betting man, I'd say Det. Sgt. Bloom is to thank for this. Rosey

I feel like I am missing something. My mom (in her 60's) can shoot my .45 accurately but can't rack it. This would actually make her more interested in owning and going to the range.

That's great. I wish my town would do that. I ended up having 2 expire; partially because I was just being lazy.

Fight it with facts. no interstate face to face long gun purchases. Has to go through licensed dealer( ffl) Federal law Zero interstate hand gun purchases. Has to go through a residents state FFL. Federal law no loopholes. Unless you are a criminal

This smells bad and we shouldn’t engage.

I'm referring to off the shelf ammo there. I've been reloading for about 45 years. Try reloading a 125 gr 9mm bullet down to 600 fps that will reliably work the action. I can load a 125 gr 357 from 600 to 1500 fps in the 357. I've never been a fan of "screaming hot" loads. I've seen too many guns come apart in such quests. No desire to turn a 5.56 into a 22-250 or a 9mm into a 357 magnum. I've always felt if you need more power just get more gun.

they can gear up all they want. if national recip passes, there's absolyutley nothing they can do to prevent us carrying.

Absolutely! I use freeze dried liver treats

For all you whiners out there that are always complaining about how the NRA doesn't do anything for us - feast your eyes on this... http://www.anjrpc.org/ February 5-ANJRPC announced today that it has filed suit in federal court to overturn New Jersey's draconian restrictions on carrying a handgun outside the home for self-defense! Under New Jersey law, a permit to carry a handgun may be issued only to those citizens who show that they face a unique need for self-defense - such as specific, documented death threats or actual attacks. Ordinary citizens are barred from carrying a handgun outside the home for self-defense, under threat of up to 10 years in prison. The new lawsuit seeks to overturn New Jersey's carry law on the ground that it violates the Second Amendment. Click here to see a copy of the complaint in the case. In the landmark 2008 Heller decision, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment protects the individual right to keep and bear arms for self-protection, and it struck down a District of Columbia law banning the possession of firearms in the home. "The core Second Amendment right of armed self-defense is just as important to an ordinary New Jersey citizen when she is traveling through a dangerous neighborhood as it is when she is safe in her home," said ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach. "The Supreme Court has said that the States cannot ban people from keeping firearms for self-defense in their homes, and New Jersey's restrictions on carrying firearms outside the home will meet the same end." Federal courts in New Jersey have previously upheld the State's restrictions, but the new lawsuit-which was filed in cooperation with the National Rifle Association-asks the courts to take another look at the issue, based on a recent federal decision striking down the District of Columbia's similar law as flatly unconstitutional. "We thank the NRA for its incredible support and guidance, which made this new lawsuit possible," continued Bach. "The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that police have no legal duty to protect individual citizens from harm, which means you're on your own in an emergency," Bach continued. "The same government that abandons its duty to keep you safe should not also block your Constitutional right to protect yourself. Right to carry's time is coming in the Garden State, and ANJRPC and NRA are at the forefront of that movement." Although the lawsuit has already been filed, ANJRPC requests that anyone recently denied a carry permit in New Jersey contact us ASAP at [email protected]. Adios, Pizza Bob

I doubt that anyone on this forum has the ability to headspace an AR. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk