vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 So a couple nights ago I was test shooting Ray Ray's SR9. Going through one of the mags, I notice that after one shot the slide did not cycle all the way forward. A round got jammed in the chamber. Upon ejecting the round, we found that the projectile was pushed into the casing. Having seen this happen on one other round from the UMC box, I checked out more. I went through the entire box, which was about 150 rounds left.....I found 38 rounds that I could push the projectile into the casing with just my fingers, and some required very little effort. Has anyone had this problem with UMC, or any other brand of ammo? Please, any info or input is much appreciated. I don't plan to buy anymore of this, as I will be switching to HP ammo soon. And I will NOT be using these rounds in any firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 16, 2011 This is a REAL issue especially in 9mm as you are starting out with a pretty high pressure cartridge to begin with. I would contact Remington and at minimum have the stuff replaced. They should make good for it at least and at best you could end up with a generous amount of ammo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georgemc 18 Posted January 16, 2011 Would you happen to have the lot# and who you purchased from? Recently purchased some UMC as well.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Genewarper111 18 Posted January 16, 2011 This is really disturbing. I have seen this too - not with my own ammo, but with someone else's - 45ACP.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tommy3rd 132 Posted January 16, 2011 i know some guys reload and use the same box for convenience and for the container. I assume this is not the case here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 16, 2011 For some reason Remington ammo is sub standard to ANY other type of ammo. Which includes Wolf and Blazer aluminum. Sorry to hear that bro. I would cotact Remington and see what could be done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted January 16, 2011 Seems to be a common occurrence lately - UMC causing problems. I'm at the point where unless someone gives it to me for free, I won't buy UMC. ETA: Regarding other brands of problematic ammo - I've run into consistent problems with a lot of PRVI 115gr 9mm FMJs I recently bought. I've had numerous FTEs in a number of different handguns. Ammo seems seriously underpowered. I've had good luck with PRVI in other calibers, so I'm not ruling them out entirely for future purchases, but it has definitely made me hesitant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ryan626 5 Posted January 16, 2011 I've fed my CZ SP01 Phantom 9mm with Federal, Winchester (White Box), Speer, American Eagle, and Remington UMC. The three times I've had problems with it involved Remington UMC. None of the other brands ever caused any issues. I even cleaned it and oiled it before a USPSA match and it didn't cycle properly in two different occassions. As soon as I switch to a different brand, no more cycling problem. No more UMC Remington for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 Would you happen to have the lot# and who you purchased from? Recently purchased some UMC as well.. The only thing I can find is "L9MM3A". Don't know if it's a lot number, but it's the closest I can find. I bought it from Dicks in Lawrenceville. I DEFINITELY will be contacting Remington about this, and I will DEFINITELY will be speaking my mind..... I would suggest that anybody who has Remington UMC go over each and every round. If you get through half of them and haven't found one, then you can give up. The ones I found were random throughout the entire box. This is actually really disturbing.....I mean I don't even know if I would use this crap for just range ammo if they sent me a replacement box.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 The quality of the picture is not that great, but you get the idea. The round on the right is fine, the one on the left is one that got pushed in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robs609 2 Posted January 16, 2011 I just had an issue yesterday with a box of 9mm umc. The ammo was feeding ok through my girlfriends sr9 but as the bullet was exiting the barrel, large sparks came flying out. We tried a few more rounds and switched to the fiochi . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 I think that when I contact Remington I will just be asking for a refund. After the stories you guys are telling, this doesn't even seem like ammo I want to shoot at the range. I don't want to damage my gun. Refund it will be. Or I will demand that they send me an 870 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 16, 2011 Keep us posted bro, I still have 500 rounds of this stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 Will do. If any of you guys check your ammo, and find a similar problem....post it up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted January 16, 2011 I used a value pack last month in a Glock 19 Generation 1 and I had a few (maybe 5 or6) light primer strikes. I reloaded them and they still wouldn't ignite. Dropped them in a 92FS and a Sig229 and they went off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Babaganoosh 192 Posted January 16, 2011 I have shot about 1000 rounds of that UMC thru my beretta 92. I did have one where the actual bullet wasn't seated. Other than that they worked fine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
67gtonut 847 Posted January 16, 2011 Just went thru 2 250rd packs of 9mm..... found 1 bad round Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted January 16, 2011 Well you guys are lucky then. Like I said, I found 38 bad rounds in the remaining 150 rounds in the box. That's a 25% defective rate!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caine 147 Posted January 16, 2011 That's pretty bad. If I had to guess, you got your hands on a bad lot. Even for ammo that has a so-so reputation, that's a very high percentage of bad rounds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dave545 15 Posted January 16, 2011 i know that when i reload the 45 acp brass from Remington i cant reload because i can push the bullet into the brass with my fingers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old School 611 Posted January 17, 2011 I used a value pack last month in a Glock 19 Generation 1 and I had a few (maybe 5 or6) light primer strikes. I reloaded them and they still wouldn't ignite. Dropped them in a 92FS and a Sig229 and they went off. You may need a striker spring Bubba... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted January 17, 2011 i know that when i reload the 45 acp brass from Remington i cant reload because i can push the bullet into the brass with my fingers. That is odd, your die should resize the brass.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stever 16 Posted January 18, 2011 I just went through 100 rounds so far in a sig sauer P238.. using the 250 rnd yellow box UMC .380ACP.. no problems..inspected remainder and bullets seem secure.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soju 153 Posted February 23, 2011 So I had 3 boxes of this stuff (750 rounds). One of the boxes appeared to have gotten slightly crushed in the shipping process. The corner was crushed in, and pieces of the plastic tray holding the rounds was also broken in that corner. The round in the very corner that was crushed, had the projectile pushed into the casing just like vjf showed. I noticed it immediately and took it out to not shoot. I since shot 549 rounds problem free. Today at the range I was shooting some more. On the 78th round, as I'm shooting, bang, bang, bang, click. I look at my M&P and see it isn't all the way in battery. Odd. First problem with the handgun since I got it. So tap, rack, bang. Fires the last round in the magazine. Oh well. I pick up the extracted round, load it into the magazine again, slide forward...same thing. Not in battery. I eject the round again. Not knowing much about ammo, I decide to compare it to some other rounds. Looks normal. Maybe there was some dirt stuck to it or something, so I dust it off. One more try. Magazine in, rack the slide, and....wait a minute. Something doesn't seem right. Let me just ejected it again to be certain. Huh. Now the slide is stuck. Normal amount of force used to rack the slide, nothing. Now I know the round is the problem. I get a better grip, and yank the slide back, and it finally pops out. There are a couple of marks where the projectile meets the casing, as well as what appears to almost be a bur on the bottom of the casing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted February 24, 2011 I found 1 bad round in a 250 rd box. I'll check the other box of 250 tonight. I pulled on all the bullets to make sure they were secure in the case and then I measured them with a pair of electronic calipers to check the overall length. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted February 24, 2011 Ok, guess I'm going to have to go through my ~2K 9mm rounds of this stuff. Is there a spec for min/max overall round length so I can set up a pair of calipers and quickly gauge any outliers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vjf915 456 Posted February 24, 2011 Well about 2-3 weeks ago, Remington told me they would send me a padded envelope to send in a couple rounds for samples. Still have yet to receive this envelope. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted February 24, 2011 One or two rounds in a bulk (250) pack is the max acceptable failure rate. Any more than that and I'd be pissed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scottcba1 8 Posted February 24, 2011 Are these all from the bulk yellow boxes with 250rounds per box? I have remington 50rd boxes that are white & green...are they also considered "UMC" and should I check them as well? -Scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted February 24, 2011 Yes these are from the yellow bulk boxes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites