NJDrew1 0 Posted February 11, 2013 I was hoping there was a way around it, so I called Edward Donnelly, the sheriff for Bucks County. I was told, even though NJ criteria for CCW is so restrictive that I can't get one, without it they cannot issue a non-resident CCW permit even with a FLA permit in hand. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NJDrew1 0 Posted February 11, 2013 Nothing is stopping them, unless other states decide to drop PA's reciprocity in retaliation. r Since PA still recognizes FL residents, and FL still recognizes PA residents, they're not going to retaliate. My concern, is that PA, and many of the others may just follow each other around and limit the reciprocity to residents of the respective states, which satisfies the intent of the reciprocity, while leaving non-resident permit holders twisting in the wind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P4Plenty 1 Posted February 11, 2013 Andy what do you need that gun for anyway ?? NH app was mailed this morning. Waiting for AZ and VA packet to come in and those will be next. I will keep going down the list if I have to. She will have to ban all non residents to stop me from carrying there!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOOMSTICK 6 Posted February 11, 2013 Andy what do you need that gun for anyway ?? NH app was mailed this morning. Waiting for AZ and VA packet to come in and those will be next. I will keep going down the list if I have to. She will have to ban all non residents to stop me from carrying there!! Is there a convenient list somewhere with links to request any/all CCW application packets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigHayden 77 Posted February 11, 2013 http://handgunlaw.us has the links on each of their state law pdf's. FWIW, UT closed that "loophole" with PA last year or the year before. They say that if your state has reciprocity with UT, you must first show you have a permit from your state before UT will issue a non-resident permit. If your state does not have reciprocity with UT, they will issue it upon completing their requirements. UT is likely your safest bet to keep carrying in PA (though, NH, VA, and AZ also still are valid at this point). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted February 11, 2013 Is there a convenient list somewhere with links to request any/all CCW application packets? You need to go to each State's website and request the packet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted February 11, 2013 Since PA still recognizes FL residents, and FL still recognizes PA residents, they're not going to retaliate. My concern, is that PA, and many of the others may just follow each other around and limit the reciprocity to residents of the respective states, which satisfies the intent of the reciprocity, while leaving non-resident permit holders twisting in the wind. But Florida and Utah make a ton of money from non resident permits. The Florida for some, just became less useful for a portion of their consumers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted February 11, 2013 Anyone have that chart with the prices and states. Looking for the cheapest to add to my Florida to gain PA again. Bonus if it adds other states Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 11, 2013 I guess you did not read the article.. Wrong, I did. You were lied to. Apparently if anyone owed the state money from parking tickets or other fines that were not criminal.. Either way if you read the article it says closing loophole where pa residents that were not able to obtain a ccp in pa were getting an out of state FL CCWP. so if someone owed pa 800.00 for fines they could get a 125.00 fl CCWP.. Wrong yet again. Just because Philly breaks the law and requires paperwork they are not allowed to, information they are not allowed to request, and uses standards they are not allowed to under law - including not just "unpaid" parking tickets, but JUST MORE PAID PARKING TICKETS THAN WE LIKE - Does not mean they can't get LTCF in Philly. Those people CAN get a LTCF in Philly in quick order. Hire an attorney and spend a few thousand dollars on an appeal - the success rate is over 99%. How about that? Those kind of numbers kind of speak for themselves, don't they? It is kind of funny, though, that even though you have no idea what you are talking about, you assume you know better after reading an article in a ragsheet. It's even funnier that this was right after I pointed out that they were lying to you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOOMSTICK 6 Posted February 11, 2013 BigHayden and njpilot....thanks. I will go that route. I just wasnt sure (even after searching) if there was a compiled thread somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted February 11, 2013 Wrong, I did. You were lied to. Wrong yet again. Just because Philly breaks the law and requires paperwork they are not allowed to, information they are not allowed to request, and uses standards they are not allowed to under law - including not just "unpaid" parking tickets, but JUST MORE PAID PARKING TICKETS THAN WE LIKE - Does not mean they can't get LTCF in Philly. Those people CAN get a LTCF in Philly in quick order. Hire an attorney and spend a few thousand dollars on an appeal - the success rate is over 99%. How about that? Those kind of numbers kind of speak for themselves, don't they? It is kind of funny, though, that even though you have no idea what you are talking about, you assume you know better after reading an article in a ragsheet. It's even funnier that this was right after I pointed out that they were lying to you. I still do not think you read the article ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 11, 2013 I still do not think you read the article ? I just looked through this thread again to see if there was another article that I had not seen and couldn't find one. If you would please, first tell me how you disagree with what I said, specifically. Then, please tell me where I can find the article you are reading. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 11, 2013 Are you talking about people that owe money to the government for fines or parking tickets? I already addressed that in my first response to you: http://njgunforums.com/forum/index.php?/topic/47896-pennsylvania-no-longer-recognizes-florida-non-res/page__view__findpost__p__631375 If you owe money to the government for fines or parking tickets, you can still get your LTCF. They can't stop you. They can deny you, but that is illegal of them to do, and you'll have it on appeal on the spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
claptrap 0 Posted February 11, 2013 Wow PA not stopping with the gun bills HB517 was introduced and its similar to the Current NJ AWB So my guess is this ccw thing is hear to stay, they will prob deny any non resident permits in the near future Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 11, 2013 Wow PA not stopping with the gun bills HB517 was introduced and its similar to the Current NJ AWB It's introduced every year, along with a couple dozen others. It doesn't have a chance. In PA, that is. Not sure about NJ. Did you notice all the pro-gun rights bills introduced in PA? More are coming this week... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rifleman1 32 Posted February 11, 2013 Been trying the CT permit number for CCW to get an application. No answer all day, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted February 11, 2013 It's introduced every year, along with a couple dozen others. It doesn't have a chance. In PA, that is. Not sure about NJ. Did you notice all the pro-gun rights bills introduced in PA? More are coming this week... right... just because something is introduced does not mean it will gain any traction.. there are MANY PRO gun things being introduced.. I cant even believe all the pro gun things I read about on PA gun forums.. .. for all you worried about them blocking other states... I dont know that they will go after other states... this whole thing is just a show for philly.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted February 11, 2013 It's even funnier that this was right after I pointed out that they were lying to you. Do you own stock in Massengill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Soju 153 Posted February 11, 2013 for all you worried about them blocking other states... I dont know that they will go after other states... this whole thing is just a show for philly.... Bingo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
I Shoot Guns 0 Posted February 11, 2013 <p> On the nh application do I list my Florida permit number as home permit number or leave blank since I live in New Jersey * ALL LICENSE APPLICANTS - - PLEASE NOTE:A non-resident pistol permit will not be issued unless you supply:1) A copy (front & back) of your valid concealed carry permit issued by Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted February 11, 2013 Do you own stock in Massengill? Business is good here but I'm still getting new customers on board here every day! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P4Plenty 1 Posted February 12, 2013 YUP got that part... the part i wasnt sure about was the HOME permit number. I dont have a RESIDENT ccw permit. Only non resident so I just left it blank copied my Non resident CCW and dropped it in the mail. They are state troopers they can figure it out im sure. <p> * ALL LICENSE APPLICANTS - - PLEASE NOTE:A non-resident pistol permit will not be issued unless you supply:1) A copy (front & back) of your valid concealed carry permit issued by Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tony357 386 Posted February 12, 2013 I just looked through this thread again to see if there was another article that I had not seen and couldn't find one. If you would please, first tell me how you disagree with what I said, specifically. Then, please tell me where I can find the article you are reading. HAHA, Sorry man i was playing with you i really thought i was going to get you one more time.. The parking ticket theory i got from another post.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted February 28, 2013 Don't know if this was posted before: http://articles.phil...roup-gun-owners Gives a bit more insight into the whole "florida loophole" thing. Now I'm not even sure if UT, AZ, VA, NH etc are safe. Also it's really crappy that someone with a "justifiable need" like a bodyguard couldn't get a ccw permit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Adam 6 Posted February 28, 2013 I was in class with a woman who works with an assemblywoman in PA. She says they are indeed coming after ALL non-resident reciprocity agreements with PA. Soon all of our non residents for PA will be useless.. shit happens. When i called and spoke to the AG office they confirmed it. So, my repky of "well your just forcing me to open carry then" drew a sigh of disgust lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarkNBite 15 Posted February 28, 2013 Funny how it takes some time but PA. usually follows NJ.......good luck with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Holeshot 3 Posted February 28, 2013 Like I said in post #73, you could this coming a mile away. It is only a matter of time now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted March 1, 2013 I was in class with a woman who works with an assemblywoman in PA. She says they are indeed coming after ALL non-resident reciprocity agreements with PA. Soon all of our non residents for PA will be useless.. shit happens. When i called and spoke to the AG office they confirmed it. So, my repky of "well your just forcing me to open carry then" drew a sigh of disgust lol Most states aren't Florida. Majority of states will likely respond by refusing to recognize reciprocity with PA any longer under the current atmosphere. That skank may be happy with that, but it will be a huge deal she won't be able to blow off. And, the really big unforeseen consequence. It's looking like Constitutional Carry is going to get more support this year than ever before simply due to her Florida nonsense. If she goes after all reciprocity agreements you guys probably have a 75% chance you'll be carrying in PA without a permit in a year. At least open carry (vehicle requirement gone), if not full carry rights. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Qel Hoth 33 Posted March 1, 2013 Most states aren't Florida. Majority of states will likely respond by refusing to recognize reciprocity with PA any longer under the current atmosphere. That skank may be happy with that, but it will be a huge deal she won't be able to blow off. And, the really big unforeseen consequence. It's looking like Constitutional Carry is going to get more support this year than ever before simply due to her Florida nonsense. If she goes after all reciprocity agreements you guys probably have a 75% chance you'll be carrying in PA without a permit in a year. At least open carry (vehicle requirement gone), if not full carry rights. Isn't there a directive from the PA legislature ordering the AG to pursue reciprocity agreements? If so, how can she go after them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted March 1, 2013 I have only been in PA for about a year... but I can tell you making state wide decisions based on that cesspool Philadelphia, does not sit well with the masses... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites