djg0770 481 Posted October 23, 2013 Chiesa however proved himself a RINO in the few senate votes he had to vote in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 23, 2013 Chiesa however proved himself a RINO in the few senate votes he had to vote in. He did vote down the UN small arms treaty though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
djg0770 481 Posted October 23, 2013 He did vote down the UN small arms treaty though. Oh boy. Lemme dance a jig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 24, 2013 Oh boy. Lemme dance a jig. He's still a RINO, just not a total RINO. He threw us a bone, so to speak. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halbautomatisch 60 Posted October 24, 2013 Chiesa was on NJTV shortly after he became AG and was praising NJ "tough" gun laws. He may not have been actively looking to eff us like Dow, but a gun nut's friend he was not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
areacode201 4 Posted October 24, 2013 Chiesa was on NJTV shortly after he became AG and was praising NJ "tough" gun laws. He may not have been actively looking to eff us like Dow, but a gun nut's friend he was not. Don't be fooled. Christie isn't our friend either. If he didn't have national aspirations he would've signed more if not all of the anti-2A bills that crossed his desk. The next time NJ has a democrat or a republican with no national political aspirations we can say hello to 10 round mag limits etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plode 0 Posted October 24, 2013 Don't be fooled. Christie isn't our friend either. If he didn't have national aspirations he would've signed more if not all of the anti-2A bills that crossed his desk. The next time NJ has a democrat or a republican with no national political aspirations we can say hello to 10 round mag limits etc. And I'll say hello to the rest of the free states, by moving. My taxes will go to a state that supports my beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 24, 2013 Don't be fooled. Christie isn't our friend either. If he didn't have national aspirations he would've signed more if not all of the anti-2A bills that crossed his desk. The next time NJ has a democrat or a republican with no national political aspirations we can say hello to 10 round mag limits etc. I don't really care about the reason, but if by chance we get to improve our lot or slow down gun control because he has national aspirations then I will take that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 24, 2013 Looks like PA courts say that PA residents require a PA LTCF to carry and can't carry on out of state permits. Doesn't really affect us but interesting nonetheless. http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/10/23/new-ruling-in-pennsylvania-on-reciprocity-and-second-amendment/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 24, 2013 Looks like PA courts say that PA residents require a PA LTCF to carry and can't carry on out of state permits. Doesn't really affect us but interesting nonetheless.http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/10/23/new-ruling-in-pennsylvania-on-reciprocity-and-second-amendment/ That has been the mindset all along.... They want people that live in PA to apply in PA.... And places like Philly will continue to abuse the process by delaying and denying... The reason they want people to apply in PA is so they can control it.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted October 24, 2013 That has been the mindset all along.... They want people that live in PA to apply in PA.... And places like Philly will continue to abuse the process by delaying and denying... The reason they want people to apply in PA is so they can control it.... I'm glad that the courts finally put some clarity in it because I am thinking it would discourage Kane from modifying more reciprocity agreements. I really don't see the big deal if you're a Pennsylvanian, unless you live in Philadelphia, in which case this needs to be addressed with the Philly PD and the city Government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted October 24, 2013 I'm glad that the courts finally put some clarity in it because I am thinking it would discourage Kane from modifying more reciprocity agreements. I really don't see the big deal if you're a Pennsylvanian, unless you live in Philadelphia, in which case this needs to be addressed with the Philly PD and the city Government. I agree.. I have no problem with people from other areas carrying here on out of state licenses... in fact I wish WE would just license people like FL does allowing for non resident permits.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtonian 453 Posted November 11, 2013 I can understand PA's reasoning on this. Why not get the license and pay the fees here in PA? If you don't qualify here, why should you qualify by taking the mail order route? That's also the thinking behind NH not issuing to individuals who do not have a permit to carry in their home state. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted November 11, 2013 With PA it's not about the license fees. It's about Philadelphia which is may issue in practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted November 12, 2013 http://articles.philly.com/2013-02-09/news/37009392_1_concealed-carry-florida-loophole-reciprocity This was when she first renegotiated the Florida agreement. "The Philadelphia Police Department evaluates the "character and reputation" of anyone seeking a concealed-carry permit (CCP). Some residents who have never been convicted of a crime have been denied a CCP under Philadelphia's process." Sure sounds like may issue to me. Also, check out Philly's law, in direct violation of state law by the way, which means basically if you don't have a home state permit the city of Philadelphia has a law that says you're not legal: http://legislation.phila.gov/attachments/11105.pdf I've carried in Philly and I will carry in Philly but it's with the knowledge that if I have to use my firearm I may spend some time in jail and have to pay a good lawyer. Here is the PA state law which invalidates it: § 6120. Limitation on the regulation of firearms and ammunition.(a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township mayin any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession,transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunitioncomponents when carried or transported for purposes notprohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brocglock23 4 Posted November 12, 2013 http://articles.philly.com/2013-02-09/news/37009392_1_concealed-carry-florida-loophole-reciprocity This was when she first renegotiated the Florida agreement. "The Philadelphia Police Department evaluates the "character and reputation" of anyone seeking a concealed-carry permit (CCP). Some residents who have never been convicted of a crime have been denied a CCP under Philadelphia's process." Sure sounds like may issue to me. Also, check out Philly's law, in direct violation of state law by the way, which means basically if you don't have a home state permit the city of Philadelphia has a law that says you're not legal: http://legislation.phila.gov/attachments/11105.pdf I've carried in Philly and I will carry in Philly but it's with the knowledge that if I have to use my firearm I may spend some time in jail and have to pay a good lawyer. Here is the PA state law which invalidates it: § 6120. Limitation on the regulation of firearms and ammunition. (a) General rule.--No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms, ammunition or ammunition components when carried or transported for purposes not prohibited by the laws of this Commonwealth. I maybe wrong but I thought the City of Philadelphia got their pee pee smacked on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted November 12, 2013 I maybe wrong but I thought the City of Philadelphia got their pee pee smacked on this one. I'm not sure, but that's their mindset anyway. They also ban guns in city parks contrary to state law (screw 'em, I carry there anyway). Of course Federal parks are fine for CCW (thanks President Bush!) except federal buildings like the liberty bell monument and independence hall. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Utah is no longer honored as of yesterday. Resident or non resident. Info comes from Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us who I consider to be a reliable source. AG website confirms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted May 12, 2014 Did PA legislature vote on this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted May 12, 2014 guess i don't need to get a utah permit now. i got my florida permit in the mail the day they stopped the reciprocity with florida for non-residents. guess the only option left for NJ in PA is to open carry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 No legislature did anything. Open carry is fine, but remember no OC without a permit in Philly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spartiati 63 Posted May 12, 2014 Utah was statutory. In order change legislature has to change not AG, or so it has been said. What gives? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wooly bugger 1 Posted May 12, 2014 Is there any way for the legislature to undo this, either by enshrining the reciprocity in law or by changing the non-resident CCW law to allow for non-residents who don't have CCWs in their own state? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Is there any way for the legislature to undo this, either by enshrining the reciprocity in law or by changing the non-resident CCW law to allow for non-residents who don't have CCWs in their own state? They can. But since we don't live in PA and many PA gun owners don't seem to think there's a problem dropping non resident reciprocity I don't see the legislature picking this up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matt1751 2 Posted May 12, 2014 Here is the current list from the PA Attorney Generals Site. This really sucks. I spend a lot of time in PA and now can't carry concealed. Since I'll never get a permit in NJ I am not able to get a PA non resident. I was planning on moving to PA in 8 years but the way things are going there lately I wonder how worse it will get. http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wooly bugger 1 Posted May 12, 2014 I wonder why she waited a year to cancel Utah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted May 12, 2014 What about Texas non Resident? Is that still honored in PA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 What about Texas non Resident? Is that still honored in PA? Yes but you have to take the class in TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted May 12, 2014 Yes but you have to take the class in TXRoad trip time!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites