ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 I'm getting mine this year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted May 12, 2014 I wonder why she waited a year to cancel Utah. Where did you see that? I can't find anywhere that Utah was cancelled.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Where did you see that? I can't find anywhere that Utah was cancelled....Check the AG website. Utah used to be listed as category 2 but not anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted May 12, 2014 I wonder why she waited a year to cancel Utah. Waited a year? If this is true, this is the first and only permit she canceled. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wooly bugger 1 Posted May 12, 2014 Waited a year? If this is true, this is the first and only permit she canceled. I mean she cancelled reciprocity. She cancelled reciprocity with a bunch of other states last year. I don't know why she waited on Utah unless it was to get legal advice on her ability to unilaterally do so, since the agreement with Utah is supposedly statutory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Waited a year? If this is true, this is the first and only permit she canceled. She also dropped Idaho last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 I mean she cancelled reciprocity. She cancelled reciprocity with a bunch of other states last year. I don't know why she waited on Utah unless it was to get legal advice on her ability to unilaterally do so, since the agreement with Utah is supposedly statutory. I doubt it. She dropped Idaho last year too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 on handgunlaw.us it doesnt say the texas class has to be taken in texas, it just says it has to be taught by a certified handgun instructor..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remixer 1,645 Posted May 12, 2014 what would stop her from taking texas off the list also Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted May 12, 2014 I mean she cancelled reciprocity. She cancelled reciprocity with a bunch of other states last year. I don't know why she waited on Utah unless it was to get legal advice on her ability to unilaterally do so, since the agreement with Utah is supposedly statutory. Which ones? She also dropped Idaho last year. Really? I did not know that. What is the list? Idaho? To clarify - I'm not talking about states she modified to be resident only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 She's never canceled reciprocity with any state. This would be the first if true. She dropped recognition of ID and now UT. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 on handgunlaw.us it doesnt say the texas class has to be taken in texas, it just says it has to be taught by a certified handgun instructor..... That's true. I'm not sure anyone outside of TX offers it though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
T Bill 649 Posted May 12, 2014 I believe it is her intention to drop recognizing the non-resident permit of any other state. I'm sure others to follow. It has been a calculated and well executed plan by her with little recouse for anyone not a state resident. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 maybe nothing has changed and UTAH CCWs are still usable by non-resident of Pennsylvania. Pa residents cannot use the UTAH license in Pa due to the recent ruling in Commonwealth v. McKown remember it always seemed kane was trying to keep PA residents from carrying with an out of state permit, anyways with the ruling in McKown PA residents can no longer carry with an out of state permit, maybe it was the McKown ruling that gave her power to change it, maybe and hopefully though nothing changes with non PA residents and we can continue carrying ianal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted May 12, 2014 She dropped recognition of ID and now UT. I responded before I saw that, thanks. I believe it is her intention to drop recognizing the non-resident permit of any other state. I'm sure others to follow. It has been a calculated and well executed plan by her with little recouse for anyone not a state resident. That's over. The McKown ruling concluded that PA residents can ONLY carry on a PA LTCF. And Utah was never an issue for PA resident carry anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 That's true. I'm not sure anyone outside of TX offers it though. well with whats going on, im sure were going to be seeing a lot of texas classes offered in NJ in no time with a ridiculous price Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Utah website updated: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Utah website updated: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html so it appears that all reciprocity is canceled even for non PA and non Utah residents with a Utah ccw Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_j 0 Posted May 12, 2014 well with whats going on, im sure were going to be seeing a lot of texas classes offered in NJ in no time with a ridiculous price Maybe, maybe not. I think one needs to be a TX resident to be a TX CHL instructor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mark_anthony_78 0 Posted May 12, 2014 so it appears that all reciprocity is canceled even for non PA and non Utah residents with a Utah ccw I think that's Utah saying "Fine, you don't recognize ours, we don't recognize yours..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mipafox 438 Posted May 12, 2014 Maybe, maybe not. I think one needs to be a TX resident to be a TX CHL instructor. Get a list of Texas instructors and start contacting them. I am sure you can get one to travel to N Jersey and S Jersey twice a year if you get 20 people for the class. Is Texas the last bastion of hope? Kane only dropped non-res with a handful of states. "Texas" seems like a very short list and their licensing and carry restrictions are strict. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 well hopefully Anjrpc will help to get the texas class here, though im not that hopeful Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bry@n 195 Posted May 12, 2014 I believe tx requires a qualification. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 in the end it probably doesnt matter, Texas is our last hope, if and when we start going the texas route im sure it wont take Kane long to change it like she did with Virginia, Florida and Arizona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikelets456 78 Posted May 12, 2014 so it appears that all reciprocity is canceled even for non PA and non Utah residents with a Utah ccw But this page on the Utah site shows PA reciprocity: http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/documents/Reciprocitypdf07102013.pdf And this as well: http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 well this is from Utahs main site The following states DO NOT recognize the Utah concealed firearm permit. (Click on the name of the state for further information): California Connecticut Hawaii Illinois Maine Maryland Massachusetts Nevada New Jersey New Mexico New York Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SW9racer 262 Posted May 12, 2014 well hopefully Anjrpc will help to get the texas class here, though im not that hopeful So now it will be a couple hundred more for another ccw that will just be cancelled. It's cheaper just to leave NJ so you can get a real resident ccw and not worry about this anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n4p226r 105 Posted May 12, 2014 does it matter. it's obvious this isn't about PA residents carrying with out of state permits anymore. its just any non residents carrying in PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
springfieldxds 0 Posted May 12, 2014 does it matter. it's obvious this isn't about PA residents carrying with out of state permits anymore. its just any non residents carrying in PA. you're correct imo, it wont take Kane long to change TX and after that no one in NJ is going to carry in Philly or concealed, it seems to me though that she is mostly doing this for Philly as this mostly only affects non residents wanting to carry in Philly, outside of philly you can still oc without a license, though you may be harassed and your gun may be taken when the serial number doesnt show up in the sales database and you cant prove ownership which has happened a few times in PA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Imaginos 0 Posted May 12, 2014 More for FYI I cant find a specific statemnet on this change, however using the wayback machine i can see that both Utah and PA have altered their sites sometime between feb 1st of this year and now.. and both currently list Utah has not being recognized by PA.. SO i would assume this is legit.. Current sites: Utah : http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html PA: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184 Old sites: Utah: https://web.archive.org/web/20131015152231/http://publicsafety.utah.gov/bci/FAQother.html PA: https://web.archive.org/web/20140201181310/http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/crime.aspx?id=184 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites