Eastwood 0 Posted June 9, 2013 So i was out shooting my AR today when I had a fail to eject. The casing is lodge in the chamber. Its a .223 russian, steel case round. I have been shooting these for years now and never had one failure. To be fair though, I usually keep the gun very clean. I didn't clean it last time it was out so that might have something to do with it. Anyway, i tried a small flat blade screw driver to try and pry it out the back and that didn't work. I used the aluminum rod from my barrel brush and it just bent. This thing is REALLY STUCK! Anything else I can try before I take it to a gun smith? Any ideas why this might have happened? On another note, my buddy has a Benelli style AR and he got one stuck in his also. Both today. Now we have NEVER had any issues with this ammo before in either gun and the rounds are not from the same batch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted June 10, 2013 Can you access the rim of the cartridge? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eastwood 0 Posted June 10, 2013 Barely. I can get a small screw driver in there but it just bends it. Its really stuck. Like its fused to the chamber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Smokin .50 1,907 Posted June 10, 2013 I had this happen to me years ago. I used some oil in the bore along with a brass cleaning rod. Worked fine and it didn't mar the rifling. And you need a new cleaning rig now anyway... Good luck, Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sof 0 Posted June 10, 2013 Does Home Depot or any decent hardware store near you have thin steel rods? The ones near me do, Or maybe you can find a welding rod that would fit into the casing from the muzzle end. Maybe they wouldnt bend when you tap on them, Otherwise, i'd core out the botom of the shell with a dremel and then crimp it in with that small screw driver you mentioned, Actually, I wouldnt use a dremel, but then I have access to high speed, angled head 'drills'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobertJames 14 Posted June 10, 2013 I had some .308's sticking in a Savage 99. Hammered them out using a cleaning rod down the barrel. Maybe try an appropriately sized wooden dowel. Edit to add that I've seen shell extractors for sale at Sarco and on various online sites. Maybe time to invest in one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3kings 0 Posted June 10, 2013 used a brass rod also .. bought it at home depot.... forgot the size... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3kings 0 Posted June 10, 2013 wooden dowel will break... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3kings 0 Posted June 10, 2013 bought my brass rod at home depot... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eastwood 0 Posted June 10, 2013 I was thinking about running out to Lowes and getting a long steel rod. Ok, so does anyone know why this happens? I Just can't figured out why it's so stuck. Good to know Is happened to other people. So I guess I shouldnt really worry too much about the gun being damaged from this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted June 10, 2013 Brass not steel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3kings 0 Posted June 10, 2013 yes not steel.. brass...they have it at lowes too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eastwood 0 Posted June 10, 2013 Ok brass. Thanks. A shell extractor wont work since the end of the shell is still intact. I guess unless I dremel out the rear of the case. But hopefully I can find this brass rod. What section in home depot should I look in? Thanks alot guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted June 10, 2013 Its in hardware here in lowes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eastwood 0 Posted June 10, 2013 Thanks again guys. Ill go tomorrow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
checko 180 Posted June 10, 2013 This is why friends dont let friends shoot steel cased. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thegerb50 0 Posted June 10, 2013 Could you try using an inverted can of canned air onto the casing to cool it and shrink it and then try the cleaning rod again? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted June 10, 2013 If you can access the rim or the headstamp / primer pocket area you can use a small brass wood screw With a long screwdriver bit screw he screw into the spent primer. (Make sure it's spent) Screw it in about half way. You can then wedge a screwdriver under the screw head and pull the shell out This has worked for me twice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krdshrk 3,878 Posted June 10, 2013 Do you have a fixed stock? Try mortaring the rifle if so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dman2112 6 Posted June 12, 2013 ...sigh. 7 more years... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robot_hell 72 Posted June 12, 2013 Do you have a fixed stock? Try mortaring the rifle if so. This, works almost every time Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vladtepes 1,060 Posted June 12, 2013 Do you have a fixed stock? Try mortaring the rifle if so. I suggested this to someone before and got jumped all over about how it might break stuff.. I am sure it COULD break stuff.. but when I was getting my short AR working right I had several jams... and clearing as you described worked great... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Displaced Texan 11,765 Posted June 13, 2013 Pour some Kroil down the barrel and allow it to sit for a few hours. Pour it out, then use the brass rod to tap the case out. The Kroil will help to unstick the case, and make it easy (easier) to tap the case out if your chamber. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Howi 0 Posted June 13, 2013 I suggested this to someone before and got jumped all over about how it might break stuff.. I am sure it COULD break stuff.. but when I was getting my short AR working right I had several jams... and clearing as you described worked great... Agreed its actually how we were taught to do it. The weapon is a tool not a priceless painting. Drives me crazy when people get upset about a few scrapes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lalo 13 Posted June 13, 2013 I must have shot about 2500 total steel cased rounds through my AR's and never had I had one get stuck. At the last carbine class I took two weeks ago, I think two people had this issue (or maybe the same guy twice). I know steel expands and that's probably why it's more prone to getting stuck but I wonder why I've been lucky so far. Is it something that only happens on new or cheap barrels? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,133 Posted June 13, 2013 Chrome-lined, CLEAN chambers tend to do a lot better not hanging up with steel-cased ammo than dirty or non-chrome ones. Keeping the ammo out of the heat of the sun before loading it also helps a lot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MidwestPX 172 Posted June 13, 2013 I must have shot about 2500 total steel cased rounds through my AR's and never had I had one get stuck. At the last carbine class I took two weeks ago, I think two people had this issue (or maybe the same guy twice). I know steel expands and that's probably why it's more prone to getting stuck but I wonder why I've been lucky so far. Is it something that only happens on new or cheap barrels? Brass expands in the chamber during powder combustion to seal the area. Both metals snap back to their original size however because steel's elasticity is lower, it doesn't do it quite as well as brass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brocglock23 4 Posted June 13, 2013 I must have shot about 2500 total steel cased rounds through my AR's and never had I had one get stuck. At the last carbine class I took two weeks ago, I think two people had this issue (or maybe the same guy twice). I know steel expands and that's probably why it's more prone to getting stuck but I wonder why I've been lucky so far. Is it something that only happens on new or cheap barrels? I've put alot of steel through my barrel also and didn't have a problem up until my last range trip. I got a round stuck in the barrel and I couldn't get my BCG to pull back either. Had to use a screw driver and pry both out. Didn't have any problems after that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites