Mr.Stu 1,927 Posted August 1, 2022 The prosecutor part is at the discretion of the court and those times run concurrently. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Schrödinger's cat 87 Posted August 1, 2022 Can fingerprinting at Identigo be done before the qualifying and submitting the paperwork? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Jones 108 Posted August 1, 2022 Depends on the town. My town didn’t allow it and they needed me to enter a case # into the identgo website that was provided by the Local PD 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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JackDaWack 2,895 Posted August 1, 2022 10 hours ago, Schrödinger's cat said: Can fingerprinting at Identigo be done before the qualifying and submitting the paperwork? My town gave me the case number when picking up the application, some give it when dropping it off completed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tyty 2 Posted August 1, 2022 3 hours ago, JackDaWack said: My town gave me the case number when picking up the application, some give it when dropping it off completed. At State Police, when I called, they asked me to get fingerprinting done prior to dropping off application. When I dropped off the app they specifically asked for the receipt for the fingerprint. For the case number it was last name and date of registering for the appointment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted August 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tyty said: At State Police, when I called, they asked me to get fingerprinting done prior to dropping off application. When I dropped off the app they specifically asked for the receipt for the fingerprint. For the case number it was last name and date of registering for the appointment. State police did not ask me for the receipt. They just said go get fingerprinted and gave me an instruction sheet for the CCN. They also said results will be sent directly to the station. 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted August 1, 2022 14 hours ago, CJack said: Realistically we are atleast looking at 60 days (local PD) + 14 days (prosecutor) + 30 days (court) + whatever temper tantrums along the way = 3.5 months at the least. Some of us applied around Jul first week - so we are looking at mid to late October if they play just enough shenanigans. Agree. I submitted my paperwork to local PD on July 25 and I have zero expectations that there will be a 'quick' turnaround. Honestly there's part of me that doesn't expect that the carry permit will be issued at all. I was going to go the "wait and see" route and submit at a future point when everything was worked out, but if there aren't enough people FORCING the PD's and courts to act, that 'future point' would never come, so I got things done early and put them in. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJack 138 Posted August 1, 2022 41 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: Agree. I submitted my paperwork to local PD on July 25 and I have zero expectations that there will be a 'quick' turnaround. Honestly there's part of me that doesn't expect that the carry permit will be issued at all. I was going to go the "wait and see" route and submit at a future point when everything was worked out, but if there aren't enough people FORCING the PD's and courts to act, that 'future point' would never come, so I got things done early and put them in. Exactly. Looking at the FB groups and talking to folks in town, I am disappointed that too many are sitting on the sidelines and taking "wait-and-see" approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,306 Posted August 1, 2022 Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered in this thread. To establish proof of identity for a US citizen, The GunForHire checklist says you need to provide a driver's license and passport OR birth certificate. The nj.gov instructions for applying for a carry permit say you need to provide a driver's license AND birth certificate. I haven't seen (or been asked for) a birth certificate for a very long time. No idea where to find it; I'd have to go through the fairly cumbersome process of requesting a new copy if I have to provide one. The passport, on the other hand, is easy. Have any police departments (particularly in Morris County) been refusing the passport and insisting on a birth certificate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShootersShooter 120 Posted August 1, 2022 My paperwork was submitted with DL & FID, and I was not asked for passport or birth certificate. My application was approved and forwarded to the Ocean County court. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Jones 108 Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, ShootersShooter said: My paperwork was submitted with DL & FID, and I was not asked for passport or birth certificate. My application was approved and forwarded to the Ocean County court. How long ago did your application go to the ocean county court? It was 2 weeks ago today for me and I haven’t heard anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadioGunner 218 Posted August 1, 2022 22 minutes ago, 10X said: Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered in this thread. To establish proof of identity for a US citizen, The GunForHire checklist says you need to provide a driver's license and passport OR birth certificate. The nj.gov instructions for applying for a carry permit say you need to provide a driver's license AND birth certificate. I haven't seen (or been asked for) a birth certificate for a very long time. No idea where to find it; I'd have to go through the fairly cumbersome process of requesting a new copy if I have to provide one. The passport, on the other hand, is easy. Have any police departments (particularly in Morris County) been refusing the passport and insisting on a birth certificate? I am a naturalized citizen and I always used my passport. NJSP accepts the passport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Alex V 99 Posted August 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, samiam said: Interesting. Conflicts with NJSP on-line guidance, but so what. I'll need to call my local NJSP station to find out if thaty are on-board with that. Thanks for the update! I was told the same thing. This really screws it up for me since I am traveling to NJ from south of the Mason Dixon line and there are no fingerprint appointments left for the week anywhere. Fun times. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShootersShooter 120 Posted August 1, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Jim Jones said: How long ago did your application go to the ocean county court? It was 2 weeks ago today for me and I haven’t heard anything. I was informed by local PD my application was complete and being reviewed on 7/18 & notified approved 7/27 & it was moving forward to the court. There's a Facebook group formed to post progress or read others New Jersey Shall Issue PCH. Edited August 2, 2022 by ShootersShooter clarified dates 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Jones 108 Posted August 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alex V said: I was told the same thing. This really screws it up for me since I am traveling to NJ from south of the Mason Dixon line and there are no fingerprint appointments left for the week anywhere. Fun times. There are walkins prior to 4:00 PM at the fairness hills office right over the bridge in PA. The other thing that worked for my buddy is he kept refreshing throughout the day and NJ appointments were opening up throughout the day. 2 minutes ago, ShootersShooter said: I was notified 7/24 of it moving forward to the court. There's a Facebook group formed to post progress or read others New Jersey Shall Issue PCH. Has anyone in Ocean County posted the received the permit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex V 99 Posted August 1, 2022 Just now, Jim Jones said: There are walkins prior to 4:00 PM at the fairness hills office right over the bridge in PA. The other thing that worked for my buddy is he kept refreshing throughout the day and NJ appointments were opening up throughout the day. I will have all my paperwork with me so I'll keep checking. I am doing the Qual course in the morning on Wed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted August 1, 2022 1 hour ago, 10X said: Have any police departments (particularly in Morris County) been refusing the passport and insisting on a birth certificate? I'm in Morris county and my local PD accepted copies of my Passport and DL. State police says Passport and DL are good - file:///home/doink/Downloads/NJSP_WEBSITE_REVISION_FOR_PTC_v2.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,927 Posted August 1, 2022 NJSP Washington Station has received my fingerptints and mental health stuff - next step is to send my app to the FIU for whatever they want to do with it. I'm not sure what they will be doing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
10X 3,306 Posted August 1, 2022 29 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: I'm in Morris county and my local PD accepted copies of my Passport and DL. State police says Passport and DL are good - file:///home/doink/Downloads/NJSP_WEBSITE_REVISION_FOR_PTC_v2.pdf Thanks. I can't open that, but I'll take your word for it. I have seen more references to passports in this thread than to birth certificates. I'd been going by this link, which I assume was an old one the state never bothered to update: https://www.nj.gov/oag/njsp/firearms/pdf/Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Jones 108 Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, 10X said: Thanks. I can't open that, but I'll take your word for it. I have seen more references to passports in this thread than to birth certificates. I'd been going by this link, which I assume was an old one the state never bothered to update: https://www.nj.gov/oag/njsp/firearms/pdf/Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf I went birth certificate and Drivers license. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted August 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, 10X said: Thanks. I can't open that, but I'll take your word for it. I have seen more references to passports in this thread than to birth certificates. I'd been going by this link, which I assume was an old one the state never bothered to update: https://www.nj.gov/oag/njsp/firearms/pdf/Permit_To_Carry_Instructions.pdf Here's the site to bookmark. They have links to the updated forms: https://www.nj.gov/njsp/firearms/forms.shtml Applying for a Permit to Carry a Handgun The following instructions are the same for the initial and renewal application 1. YOU MUST APPLY IN PERSON Out of State Resident – apply at a non-toll road State Police Barracks closest to your residence. In State Resident – apply to your local police department (State Police patrolled areas apply to local Barracks.) *PLEASE CALL YOUR LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT OR STATE POLICE BARRACKS PRIOR TO APPLYING – DO NOT JUST SHOW UP PLEASE PROVIDE THE FOLLOWING AT TIME OF APPLICATION: 1. Driver’s License and Birth Certificate OR Driver’s License and Passport OR Driver’s License and Naturalization Paperwork/Green Card 2. Three (3) State of New Jersey Applications For Permit To Carry A Handgun, form SP642. Must be double sided and notarized. 3. Four (4) color passport size photographs. 4. Consent for Mental Health Search, form SP066. 5. Written proof of ownership and qualification with the handgun(s) you intend on carrying. a. Proof of ownership can be a purchase receipt or purchase permit or a notarized letter of ownership listing make, model, and serial number of handgun(s). b. Written qualification must be within six (6) months of application and include Instructors Name and Certification, make, model, caliber and serial number of handgun(s) you intend to carry. 6. Money Order in the amount of $50.00 payable to; “Treasurer, State of New Jersey” ** ALL APPLICANTS (INITIAL AND RENEWAL) FOR PERMIT TO CARRY A HANDGUN MUST BE FINGERPRINTED. INSTRUCTIONS FOR FINGER PRINTING WILL BE PROVIDED AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION. ** THE REQUIRED WRITTEN FIREARMS QUALIFICATION, IN ACCORDANCE WITH N.J.A.C. 13:54-2.4(B), CAN BE OBTAINED AT MOST FIREARM RANGES THROUGH OUT THE STATE. A LIST IS ALSO AVAILABLE ON OUR WEBSITE, WWW.NJSP.ORG > PUBLIC INFORMATION > FIREARMS INFORMATION > NEW JERSEY SHOOTING RANGES FOR RPO QUALIFICATION. ** A NEW JERSEY PERMIT TO CARRY IS VALID FOR TWO (2) YEARS FROM TIME OF APPROVAL. ** IF ANY OF THE PRECEDING IS NOT COMPLETE OR INCORRECT THE APPLICATION WILL BE RETURNED AND YOU WILL HAVE TO RE-APPLY. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CJack 138 Posted August 1, 2022 2 hours ago, 10X said: Forgive me if this has already been asked and answered in this thread. To establish proof of identity for a US citizen, The GunForHire checklist says you need to provide a driver's license and passport OR birth certificate. The nj.gov instructions for applying for a carry permit say you need to provide a driver's license AND birth certificate. I haven't seen (or been asked for) a birth certificate for a very long time. No idea where to find it; I'd have to go through the fairly cumbersome process of requesting a new copy if I have to provide one. The passport, on the other hand, is easy. Have any police departments (particularly in Morris County) been refusing the passport and insisting on a birth certificate? When the NJSP instructions first came out, they did NOT have "passport" - only birth cert or naturalization cert. NJSP has since updated their instructions to include Passport. GFH still has old instructions. You are good to go with passport and DL. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Jones 108 Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, CJack said: When the NJSP instructions first came out, they did NOT have "passport" - only birth cert or naturalization cert. NJSP has since updated their instructions to include Passport. GFH still has old instructions. You are good to go with passport and DL. They also changed 1.5” passport to passport size photo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted August 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Jim Jones said: They also changed 1.5” passport to passport size photo They may have updated their guidance section, but the form still says 1.5 x 1.5 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Regular Guy 264 Posted August 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, 124gr9mm said: They may have updated their guidance section, but the form still says 1.5 x 1.5 typical. According to the State Departments website, passport photos are 2x2 with the head between 1" and 1.4" and centered on a white background. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
124gr9mm 859 Posted August 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Regular Guy said: typical. According to the State Departments website, passport photos are 2x2 with the head between 1" and 1.4" and centered on a white background. Yup. I trimmed my passport photos to 1.5 x 1.5 just in case... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites