Platking now going after JSD Supply and Eagle Shows

[b47356 21]

https://www.njoag.gov/attorney-general-platkin-files-civil-complaints-against-pennsylvania-gun-show-company-new-jersey-gun-dealer-under-nj-public-nuisance-law/

Has anyone mentioned to him that PA is not NJ?

[silverado427 10,731]

https://x.com/redvoicenews/status/1734339260399112660?s=20

[Sudsy 44]

The entire goal here is to financially damage these companies by forcing them to hire and pay expensive lawyers

AKA Legal Extortion

[njJoniGuy 2,131]

33 minutes ago, Sudsy said:

...AKA Legal Extortion

The true definition of GOVERNMENT.

[Scorpio64 5,156]

State sponsored economic terrorism.

[1LtCAP 4,264]

2 hours ago, Sudsy said:

The entire goal here is to financially damage these companies by forcing them to hire and pay expensive lawyers

AKA Legal Extortion

the best way to make this backfire.....and it will to some extent.....is to counter-sue. not the position. the person. and sue for the cost of defense.

[Scorpio64 5,156]

2 hours ago, Sudsy said:

forcing them to hire and pay expensive lawyers

This is where GOA, NRA and others should be stepping in.  Maybe if enough NRA members from NJ call and demand that they do something about this, they might actually intervene.  If the NRA won't help with situations like this, then why the hell do they even exist. What's the point in paying dues if you get nothing in return?

[Displaced Texan 11,752]

24 minutes ago, Scorpio64 said:

What's the point in paying dues if you get nothing in return?

Wayne gets some very nice suits. 

[JohnnyB 4,326]

35 minutes ago, Displaced Texan said:

Wayne gets some very nice suits. 

No new ones that I paid for!

[Sudsy 44]

3 hours ago, 1LtCAP said:

the best way to make this backfire.....and it will to some extent.....is to counter-sue. not the position. the person. and sue for the cost of defense.

Can't, it's the government, the rules for that are different (of course)

[Old Glock guy 1,127]

Brandon from Langley Outdoors Academy weighs in on this:

 

[1LtCAP 4,264]

8 hours ago, Sudsy said:

Can't, it's the government, the rules for that are different (of course)

that's part of why i said to sue them personally. they are acting outside of the law, and they know it. they're not stupid.

[1LtCAP 4,264]

1 hour ago, Old Glock guy said:

Brandon from Langley Outdoors Academy weighs in on this:

 

even he missed it with the "buy it across the river where it's perfectly legal".  he should have mentioned that background checks still need to happen.

[CMJeepster 2,778]

38 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

even he missed it with the "buy it across the river where it's perfectly legal".  he should have mentioned that background checks still need to happen.

Facts don't matter to "them."

[Mr.Stu 1,922]

50 minutes ago, 1LtCAP said:

even he missed it with the "buy it across the river where it's perfectly legal".  he should have mentioned that background checks still need to happen.

No background check is needed for an 80% kit.

They are perfectly legal to buy and complete in PA.

The only offense is an NJ law which is possession of a "ghost gun". Nobody in PA is beholden to an NJ law. The vendor in PA is not responsible for any individual who chose to break NJ law by transporting the 80% kit into NJ.

This overreach by Platkin needs to be stopped.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

4 hours ago, Mr.Stu said:

This overreach by Platkin needs to be stopped.

Problem is he's successfully saber-rattled his way to settlements from other out-of-state firearm/parts dealers in the past.  Would love to see this company get some national org backing to actually fight this out in court.

[Sudsy 44]

2 hours ago, DirtyDigz said:

Problem is he's successfully saber-rattled his way to settlements from other out-of-state firearm/parts dealers in the past.  

It's cheaper then paying the attorneys.

This happened to me once, legal extortion. I quote my attorney here "Jerry just pay the settlement. If we go to court the legal fee's will be double that amount. You'll win the war but lose all your soldiers doing it"

What we need in this country is "loser pays", that will keep this kind of BS from happening. Unfortunately we keep voting lawyers into office, so there's no chance of that ever happening.

[Grima Squeakersen 482]

On 12/12/2023 at 9:31 PM, Scorpio64 said:

This is where GOA, NRA and others should be stepping in.  Maybe if enough NRA members from NJ call and demand that they do something about this, they might actually intervene.  If the NRA won't help with situations like this, then why the hell do they even exist. What's the point in paying dues if you get nothing in return?

Only if they threatened to key La Pierre's Corniche...

[Grima Squeakersen 482]

On 12/13/2023 at 4:31 PM, Sudsy said:

It's cheaper then paying the attorneys.

This happened to me once, legal extortion. I quote my attorney here "Jerry just pay the settlement. If we go to court the legal fee's will be double that amount. You'll win the war but lose all your soldiers doing it"

What we need in this country is "loser pays", that will keep this kind of BS from happening. Unfortunately we keep voting lawyers into office, so there's no chance of that ever happening.

While that is an attractive slogan, I think it's a little more complicated than that in practice. "Loser" pays wouldn't help in this instance unless the loser (e.g. Platkin) had to pay out of his own pocket. And I believe that there are a number of laws that indemnify public officials against being held personally responsible for damage done in the course of their duties, no matter how egregious and unjustified that damage might be. I am also a little apprehensive about that principle where it might affect some little guy who got massively screwed by a big corporation, when litigation was his only recourse. I'm also uncertain how it would apply in class actions.

[drjjpdc 39]

Don't forget SCOTUS has accepted cert on the Vullo v NRA case. Can you imagine Hochul or Vullo having to write a check for damages to the NRA?

[45Doll 5,877]

On 12/13/2023 at 9:38 AM, Mr.Stu said:

No background check is needed for an 80% kit.

They are perfectly legal to buy and complete in PA.

That's right for the moment Stu. This week the PA House Democrats introduced a raft of bills, and one of them essentially bans possession of firearms built with un-serialized kits/parts. (If you serialize it I don't know if that will make a difference. I'm guessing not.)

Passage is by no means guaranteed, but they're going to give it a go.

[xXxplosive 824]

....and all the news is discussing today is how the banks are furnishing names to the FBI of folks who have transactions with cabelas, bass pro and dicks....I dunno.

[gleninjersey 2,141]

1 hour ago, xXxplosive said:

....and all the news is discussing today is how the banks are furnishing names to the FBI of folks who have transactions with cabelas, bass pro and dicks....I dunno.

Furnishing names based on what?

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

11 minutes ago, gleninjersey said:

Furnishing names based on what?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4414581-jordan-seeks-answers-from-former-treasury-official-over-flagged-maga-transactions/

 

Quote

...Jordan also said FinCEN distributed slides that showed financial institutions how to flag customers who may be potential active shooters or terrorists based on their transactions. He contends that those who may have purchased a firearm, made a purchase at Cabela’s or Dick’s Sporting Goods and other businesses may have had their transactions flagged.

 

“Despite these transactions having no apparent criminal nexus — and, in fact, relate to Americans exercising their Second Amendment rights — FinCEN seems to have adopted a characterization of these Americans as potential threat actors,” Jordan wrote. ...

So was there actual transmittal by banks of information of firearms purchases, or just FinCEN suggesting that banks should do so?

[Scorpio64 5,156]

5 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

how to flag customers who may be potential active shooters or terrorists based on their transactions.

I thought profiling was illegal, or some shit, because it's racist, or some shit.

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

Jordans' actual letter:

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2024-01-17-jdj-to-bishoff-re-ti-request.pdf

[45Doll 5,877]

49 minutes ago, DirtyDigz said:

Jordans' actual letter:

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/republicans-judiciary.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2024-01-17-jdj-to-bishoff-re-ti-request.pdf

Dunkelberger's.com is a search keyword??? You gotta be kidding me!

And curiously, no Bud's Gun Shop. OK, the header does say "Not an exhaustive list". I'll bet!!!

[Sudsy 44]

On a positive note, the list just showed me a number of shops I've never checked out before !

[Ferris 78]

Don't forget it's fairly  known that NJ state troopers look for NJ plates at PA Gun shows and watch what you purchase and might bring over the border. NY State police also do the same.