School shooting in CT

[PM2116 0]

I'm not necessarily saying that it's about the punishment, but we certainly can't continue to give kids the impression that nothing will happen if they commit a crime or break the rules.

 

There's just so much out there that these kids have access to. Our beloved media makes it perfectly clear that killing someone will get your name seen around the world. Or, if you can find a loophole in the law, you can commit a crime, exploit the loophole, and get off on a technicality. It's a mess and it's everywhere.

 

I mean, look at our government. This is obviously a serious issue when it comes to someone who is mentally ill and having access to firearms. But, instead of our government saying "We need to make changes and pay closer attention to the mentally ill in our country" they are saying "We need stronger gun laws".

[JackDaWack 2,895]

Your absolutely right, some where there is a balance between punishment and reward. When do we punish and when do we reward. Our society is so messed up we don't even know where to place the blame, or we purposely shift it. Same can be said for most bailouts, we reward the system that provided the crash. Values are taught from the top down, we need to remember that.

[bulpup 98]

I mean, look at our government. This is obviously a serious issue when it comes to someone who is mentally ill and having access to firearms. But, instead of our government saying "We need to make changes and pay closer attention to the mentally ill in our country" they are saying "We need stronger gun laws".

 

I agree. It is truly an emergency. However, doing what is needed will mean higher taxes and increased increased insurance premiums.

 

The spending was cut long ago and everyone was happy they found a way to save money. Worked out well, didn't it?

[Gunrunner26 0]

To anyone who is already fed-up with the demonizing of gun owners and the exploitation of this tragedy by anti's, do NOT pick up today's NY Daily News. There is absolutely NO balance to the "reporting" in there today. Its usual anti-gun stridency has been multiplied tenfold, with feature articles and a couple of op-eds calling for something to be done about guns in this country, whatever that means. But they are too intellectually-dishonest just to come out and demand a total BAN on guns, which is what these mealy-mouths really want.

 

I emailed Lupica on several occasions over the last couple of years on his inaccurate and inflammatory articles, but--of course--never received a reply. I won't be bothering this time around. This is a watershed moment for the firearms community in this country, and with the anti's having pretty much the whole (media) playing field to themselves, not a particular promising one at that.

 

I agree, we are about to see the 2a trampled and most guns banned. It's going to happen. The NRA can't fight the media and the deaths of 20 kids caused by gunshots. Not sure what to do now. Probably sit and wait until they come and take all my guns away. Sorry to be so negative, but does anyone here really think a gun ban won't happen... Anyone????

[DirtyDigz 1,812]

I use a safe and I am the only one with the combo. No little kids. I think we need to be careful and we should not assume she did not have the guns in a safe. He may have beat her to get the combo or held a knife to her. My point is that we need to know the facts before we judge her. But having a safe is a good start. As of now, I have not read anything that says she did not have a guns in a safe. I may have missed it...things are flying fast.

 

I am not making assumptions or passing any judgement on Lanza's mother, I'm responding to the assertion made earlier in the thread if safes were required along with gun ownership that this incident wouldn't have happened.

[Vlad G 345]

I agree, we are about to see the 2a trampled and most guns banned. It's going to happen. The NRA can't fight the media and the deaths of 20 kids caused by gunshots. Not sure what to do now. Probably sit and wait until they come and take all my guns away. Sorry to be so negative, but does anyone here really think a gun ban won't happen... Anyone????

 

So you are saying that 30 to 50 percent of the US population is going to lay back and take a blatant breach of the constitution on multiple levels. Hmm. Maybe a lot of those will but here is the rub. The US president is elected by 26% of the population (only 50% of the eligible voters vote) and last time there was a AWB we replaced damn near all of congress. I think the politicians still know that, but we'll see.

 

I'll tell you what though, hiding behind the computer wringing our hands in panic is not what is going to avoid an affront on your liberties. If you actually care, start calling everyone in government NOW. Even our NJ senators, because if they get 1000 calls they may get a hint. Or .. we can sit back and worry and fret and not get off our asses. At the end of the day we get the government we deserve.

[PM2116 0]

I believe something will happen, but not an all out gun ban. I definitely think we're looking at restrictions, but for many reasons, I don't see an all out ban. One of which is the state of our economy and the debt of our government. Our government simply does not have the resources or money to enforce an all out gun ban let alone putting it on the states who are also in financial hardships. I just cant see it.

[Zeke 5,504]

I believe something will happen, but not an all out gun ban. I definitely think we're looking at restrictions, but for many reasons, I don't see an all out ban. One of which is the state of our economy and the debt of our government. Our government simply does not have the resources or money to enforce an all out gun ban let alone putting it on the states who are also in financial hardships. I just cant see it.

They just borrow more money from china

[BleedingOrange36 0]

 

So you are saying that 30 to 50 percent of the US population is going to lay back and take a blatant breach of the constitution on multiple levels. Hmm. Maybe a lot of those will but here is the rub. The US president is elected by 26% of the population (only 50% of the eligible voters vote) and last time there was a AWB we replaced damn near all of congress. I think the politicians still know that, but we'll see.

 

I'll tell you what though, hiding behind the computer wringing our hands in panic is not what is going to avoid an affront on your liberties. If you actually care, start calling everyone in government NOW. Even our NJ senators, because if they get 1000 calls they may get a hint. Or .. we can sit back and worry and fret and not get off our asses. At the end of the day we get the government we deserve.

I need help getting a petition going for a "School Marshall" program utilizing retired military vets and retired LEO's

Is anyone interested in helping me get something going? Who would sponsor a petition like this? NRA? Military job friendly organization? Educational organization?

[BleedingOrange36 0]

 

I am not making assumptions or passing any judgement on Lanza's mother, I'm responding to the assertion made earlier in the thread if safes were required along with gun ownership that this incident wouldn't have happened.

I never said it wouldn't of happened, I said what if it would of prevented it? I'm only stating my opinion under the assumption she may not have had a safe.

[Vlad G 345]

You are looking at this all wrong.

 

Because we live in NJ we are just used to sitting back and taking the abuse government wants to dish. The anti-gun forces will get marches and press coverage and senators and scream and yell and cry. The general attitude in this thread has been one of half confessed guilt and depression. You and I are not guilty of this, just because we are gun owners. We feel for those kids as much as anyone else, but we should not sit back and accept the blame for the evil actions of a mentally disturbed person.

 

Yes there is a massive fight coming. Yes our government will try to remove your rights because it cheaper then dealing with the mental health issues. You have a choice, you can sit back and take it and compromise or you can draw a line in sand and yell at the top of your lungs that this is not our fault and this a line we will not allowed to be crossed.

 

Imagine if the members of these forum, all of them, went and camped our senators and representatives offices for one single day and said "No, you shall not infringe". Imagine if 5% of the gun owners in this country, 5 million people, drove to DC and said "No, gun control is not the answer". Sounds crazy, impossible, etc? Why? Because we can't take on day out of lives to stand for what we believe in? Then we get what we deserve.

 

You have a choice people, gun ownership is at all time high, if you don't defend it now, it will be a true loss. The anti-gunners are looking at this as an exploitable opportunity, don't let them.

[Steve_G 51]

Just confirmed by Conn. State Police. Bushmaster AR-15 was used for most of the shootings. Also a 10mm Glock and 9mm Sig. Shotgun was found in the car.

[alec.mc 180]

I think another topic of conversation should be the matter at which the schools respond to " shooter in school " codes, or whatever they are calling it these days. Is the procedure still to lock the doors and pile up everybody in a corner?

 

Shooting fish in a barrel anybody?

 

I cant for the life of me figure on who thinks this is the best idea, if their were another life threatening force in the building, ( ie: FIRE ) common sense tells you to evacuate the school, fire exit, windows, whatever. Personally, I think it's a better idea to up and make a made dash outside running then sitting in a convenient corner making it easier for the shooter.

 

It's harder to hit a running target then it is a one sitting in a corner with his head down.

[rtquig 45]

UK. Dunblaine School Massacre. 18 kids killed by a Browning Hi Power and a S&W .357 Revolver.

 

 

It just happens that I met the principle of that school a few years back while camping in New Hampshire. She had told me about it and also said the police came to every house and collected everyones guns afterwards.

[Gunrunner26 0]

So you are saying that 30 to 50 percent of the US population is going to lay back and take a blatant breach of the constitution on multiple levels. Hmm. Maybe a lot of those will but here is the rub. The US president is elected by 26% of the population (only 50% of the eligible voters vote) and last time there was a AWB we replaced damn near all of congress. I think the politicians still know that, but we'll see.

 

I'll tell you what though, hiding behind the computer wringing our hands in panic is not what is going to avoid an affront on your liberties. If you actually care, start calling everyone in government NOW. Even our NJ senators, because if they get 1000 calls they may get a hint. Or .. we can sit back and worry and fret and not get off our asses. At the end of the day we get the government we deserve.

Already on it!

[johnp 45]

You are looking at this all wrong.

 

Because we live in NJ we are just used to sitting back and taking the abuse government wants to dish. The anti-gun forces will get marches and press coverage and senators and scream and yell and cry. The general attitude in this thread has been one of half confessed guilt and depression. You and I are not guilty of this, just because we are gun owners. We feel for those kids as much as anyone else, but we should not sit back and accept the blame for the evil actions of a mentally disturbed person.

 

Yes there is a massive fight coming. Yes our government will try to remove your rights because it cheaper then dealing with the mental health issues. You have a choice, you can sit back and take it and compromise or you can draw a line in sand and yell at the top of your lungs that this is not our fault and this a line we will not allowed to be crossed.

 

Imagine if the members of these forum, all of them, went and camped our senators and representatives offices for one single day and said "No, you shall not infringe". Imagine if 5% of the gun owners in this country, 5 million people, drove to DC and said "No, gun control is not the answer". Sounds crazy, impossible, etc? Why? Because we can't take on day out of lives to stand for what we believe in? Then we get what we deserve.

 

You have a choice people, gun ownership is at all time high, if you don't defend it now, it will be a true loss. The anti-gunners are looking at this as an exploitable opportunity, don't let them.

 

I agree 100%. But bolstering that kind of support on this forum or in this state would be impossible.

[Vlad G 345]

I agree 100%. But bolstering that kind of support on this forum or in this state would be impossible.

 

Why? Even NJ with its 12% gun ownership has 1 million gun owners. Why can't we motivate the people on this forum to get off the chair?

 

Oh, and if anyone ever tells me again that "gun rights aren't really an issue in this election" I'm going to have some strong words with them.

[MarkWVU02 47]

 

 

Why? Even NJ with its 12% gun ownership has 1 million gun owners. Why can't we motivate the people on this forum to get off the chair?

 

Oh, and if anyone ever tells me again that "gun rights aren't really an issue in this election" I'm going to have some strong words with them.

 

I'd be all for it. If we sit back and do nothing we won't change anything.

[johnp 45]

Why? Even NJ with its 12% gun ownership has 1 million gun owners. Why can't we motivate the people on this forum to get off the chair?

 

Oh, and if anyone ever tells me again that "gun rights aren't really an issue in this election" I'm going to have some strong words with them.

 

I'm all for it. I believe action begets action. Tell me where we start lining up and I'll be there.

 

There has never been a 'rally' or gathering of gun owners in this state to protest our stupid nonsensical gun laws. But after a national tragedy where our president held back tears, that is the motivation NJ gun owners need to get off the couch? Not likely.

[MarkWVU02 47]

Interesting point brought up by a friend. Would gun owners allow another AWB if in return we were given nationwide concealed carry? Interesting thought because it's always about what they take but shouldn't they give something in return. Not posting this to hear rants about "shall not be infringed" but just to see people's thoughts

[Soju 153]

Not sure what you mean would we 'allow' it, but if the option was AWB or AWB with national conceal carry, of course I'd take that latter.

[ruger9 0]

Turn in my semi-autos? No.

 

Accept some sort of AWB2 in return for nationwide concealed carry? Sounds "ok", maybe, at first glance... but I don't know how they would do it- trying to grandfather in existing weapons (banning them would be unacceptable), the only way to do it would be to ban the MANUFACTURE of semi-autos for the civilian market. Stop making them. But then, the millions in existence would be grandfathered in and legal. Anti-gunners wouldn't accept that. And pro-gunners won't accept AWB2 with federal CCW IF they had to relinquish their Semis.

 

I don't see it happening.

[MarkWVU02 47]

I was saying an AWB as we already saw so not banning manufacturing just playing the features game or confiscating.

[Fawkesguy 57]

Fasten your seatbelts. The first salvo has been fired. I know clicking on a Huffington Post link will make you feel dirty. Sorry about that. :-)

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/16/dianne-feinstein-assault-weapons-ban_n_2311477.html

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Why? Even NJ with its 12% gun ownership has 1 million gun owners. Why can't we motivate the people on this forum to get off the chair?

 

Because this is still NJ and some gun owners are NOT pro 2A and would actually support an AWB. I'm sure there are members here that are not as pro 2A as they seem. This isn't Texas or Arizona or Alaska, it's still NJ- The land of liberals.

[Combat Auto 174]

Fasten your seatbelts. The first salvo has been fired. I know clicking on a Huffington Post link will make you feel dirty. Sorry about that. :-)

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_2311477.html

No surprise, eh? This is the big one like many have been saying....The fact that it was 3-6 year olds makes a big difference (did with me)...NRA, needs to be proactive about proposing solutions, as I've said...Marshells as another fellow propoesed, video game sensorship, morality education (cause it ain't happening at home apparently), and responsibility, etc...NRA saying "it aint guns" will not be enouh this time...Next 6 months they (socialists) will play advertisements of running children, and tears in Obama's eyes, over and over again...They will distort reality, hide any truth, attack any person to get their way (this was apparent from the Presidential election)...They are the mordern day masters of mass-propaganda...If we don't get involved, we will be burned at the stake metephorically (in a crisis, they always look for a "witch").

[mipafox 438]

Because this is still NJ and some gun owners are NOT pro 2A and would actually support an AWB.  I'm sure there are members here that are not as pro 2A as they seem.  This isn't Texas or Arizona or Alaska, it's still NJ- The land of liberals.

 

Texas? LOL. It's not exactly a pro-gun state.

 

Just as one metric, the two states with the most CCW permits are Florida and Pennsylvania. And PA only has about 13 million people.

[Fawkesguy 57]

Texas? LOL. It's not exactly a pro-gun state.

 

Just as one metric, the two states with the most CCW permits are Florida and Pennsylvania. And PA only has about 13 million people.

 

...and PA is a blue state.

[Ray Ray 3,566]

Texas? LOL. It's not exactly a pro-gun state.

 

Just as one metric, the two states with the most CCW permits are Florida and Pennsylvania. And PA only has about 13 million people.

 

okay, Alaska/Arizona/Montana

 

Pennsylvania and Florida have big anti-gun cities inside them

[Combat Auto 174]

Texas? LOL. It's not exactly a pro-gun state.

 

Just as one metric, the two states with the most CCW permits are Florida and Pennsylvania. And PA only has about 13 million people.

I have many friends living in TX, and they are very pro self defense...Walk in and buy a pistol with just a call for background varification (no 6 months to get a permit)...All the pistols you want (no 1 per/month)...Many self defense shootings - at least in Homes - not prosicuted at all...Pass the test you get a CCW.