ogfarmer 138 Posted October 1, 2014 Good ole Mainor and crew are at it again Legislation OverviewTitle: Requires successful completion of firearms education program to obtain initial firearms purchaser identification card and permit to purchase a handgun. Description: Requires successful completion of firearms education program to obtain initial firearms purchaser identification card and permit to purchase a handgun. Session: 2014-2015 Regular Session Last Action: Last Action Date: October 1, 2014 Link: http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/bills/BillView.asp?BillNumber=A3764 Companion Bill: S2355 SponsorsNote: the first sponsor listed is normally the primary sponsor. If a sponsor's name is a hyperlink you can click on it to 'follow the money'. 3 sponsors: Joseph A. Lagana; Eustace, Timothy J.; Charles Mainor This is text from the companion bill that was introduced in September. SENATE, No. 2355 STATE OF NEW JERSEY 216th LEGISLATURE INTRODUCED SEPTEMBER 15, 2014 Sponsored by: Senator PETER J. BARNES, III District 18 (Middlesex) SYNOPSIS Requires successful completion of firearms education program to obtain initial firearms purchaser identification card and permit to purchase a handgun. CURRENT VERSION OF TEXT As introduced. An Act concerning firearms education and supplementing Title 2C of the New Jersey Statutes. Be It Enacted by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New Jersey: 1. a. An applicant for a firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun shall not be issued the card or permit unless the applicant presents evidence of successfully completing a firearms education program of a type approved by the Superintendent of State Police or has received substantially equivalent training through law enforcement or military service. Acceptable evidence of successfully completing a firearms education program shall include, but not be limited to, a certificate indicating satisfactory completion of a National Rifle Association firearms course, a certificate that the applicant is a certified National Rifle Association Firearms Instructor, a copy of a firearms or hunting license or permit from any other jurisdiction that requires the holder to successfully complete a substantially equivalent firearms education program, or any other such documentation, certificate, or certification that the superintendent deems substantially equivalent. The firearms education program, which shall not exceed four hours, may be offered by the National Rifle Association, a State or local law enforcement agency, junior college, college, university, firearms training school, or any other entity approved by the superintendent. The superintendent shall prescribe the basic curriculum for the firearms education program required under this section. In developing that curriculum, the superintendent shall consult with a firearms safety panel which shall consist of four members in addition to the superintendant. Two members shall be appointed by the Senate President; one shall represent organizations, associations, or clubs promoting hunting, shooting sports or competitions and one shall represent organizations, associations, or other entities advocating gun violence prevention. Two members shall be appointed by the Speaker of the General Assembly; one shall represent organizations, associations, or clubs promoting hunting, shooting sports or competitions and one shall represent organizations, associations, or other entities advocating gun violence prevention. The superintendent shall serve as chair of the panel. The panel shall meet at those times and in those places as determined by the chair. The basic curriculum shall include, but not be limited to, classes relating to responsible firearms ownership, safe storage, restricting access to firearms by unsupervised minors, and any other matters relating to protecting the safety and well being of New Jersey’s families and children. The basic curriculum shall be adopted within 60 days of the appointment of the members of the panel. If the panel is not appointed or does not adopt the basic curriculum within the required 60 days, the superintendent shall act independently in prescribing the provisions of the curriculum. b. The superintendent shall prescribe the form or certificate an applicant receives evidencing the successful completion of the firearms education program required under this section and the manner in which that form or certificate shall be presented in order to qualify for a firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun. c. The form or certificate issued pursuant to this section shall be valid, and shall be used, for an application for an initial firearms purchaser identification card or initial permit to purchase a handgun. An applicant who has successfully completed a firearms education program pursuant to this section shall not be required to repeat that program as part of any application for any renewal of a firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun. 2. This act shall take effect on the first day of the seventh month next following enactment except the Superintendent of State Police may take any anticipatory administrative action in advance thereof as shall be necessary for the implementation of this act. STATEMENT This bill requires an applicant for an initial firearms purchaser identification card or permit to purchase a handgun to successfully complete a firearms education program approved by the Superintendant of State Police. Under the bill, acceptable evidence of successfully completing a firearms education program includes: a certificate indicating satisfactory completion of a National Rifle Association firearms course; a certificate that the applicant is a certified National Rifle Association Firearms Instructor; a copy of a firearms or hunting license or permit from any other jurisdiction that requires the holder to successfully complete a substantially equivalent firearms education program; or any other documentation, certificate, or certification deemed substantially equivalent by the superintendant. The bill authorizes substantially equivalent training through law enforcement or military service to be substituted for the education program. The bill limits the firearms education program to no more than four hours. It may be offered by the National Rifle Association, a State or local law enforcement agency, junior college, college, university, firearms training school, or any other entity approved by the superintendent. The bill requires the superintendent to prescribe the basic curriculum for the firearms education program, in consultation with a firearms safety panel. The panel is to consist of four members. Two members are to represent organizations, associations, or clubs promoting hunting, shooting sports or competitions, one each to be appointed by the President of the Senate and the Speaker of the General Assembly. The two other members are to represent organizations, associations, or other entities advocating gun violence prevention, one each to be appointed by the President and the Speaker. The superintendent is designated as chair of the panel and is responsible for determining when and where the panel will meet. The bill requires the basic curriculum of the firearms education program to include classes relating to responsible firearms ownership, safe storage, restricting access to firearms by unsupervised minors, and any other matters concerning the safety and well being of this State’s families and children. The basic curriculum is to be adopted within 60 days of the appointment of the members of the panel. If the panel is not appointed or does not adopt the curriculum within the required 60 days, the bill directs the superintendent to independently prescribe the curriculum. The superintendent is responsible for developing the form or certificate evidencing successful completion of the firearms education program. The form or certificate is required for an initial application for a firearms purchaser identification card or initial permit to purchase a handgun, but not for a renewal of a card or permit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CMJeepster 2,778 Posted October 1, 2014 When will they stop... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpio64 5,155 Posted October 1, 2014 I wonder if the NRA will quietly back this bill since they will likely become a major benefactor. I guess the good thing though is one can simply do the hunter education for free, even if they do not intend to hunt, But wow, NJ state and the NRA in bed together. Strange bedfellows indeed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Stu 1,922 Posted October 1, 2014 When will they stop... They won't. Sent from my SCH-I800 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M1152 713 Posted October 1, 2014 They won't. Sent from my SCH-I800 using Tapatalk 2 He’s knows that, he’s just expressing the state of mind of ALL NJ Legal gun owners. The question to ask is when are the Trenton politicians going to quit with the smoke & mirrors politics and actually do something to benefit the working class Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted October 1, 2014 did you notice the part about not needing to take the course again to renew your FID? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njJoniGuy 2,131 Posted October 1, 2014 When will they stop... When they wake up on the other side of the grass Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted October 1, 2014 yes the hunters safety course seems to be the best option for someone to get thru this. The one thing to consider tho, is test days are only during like 5-6 months of the year, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 1, 2014 Hmmm. FREE Certificates of Firearms Training Completion with the purchase of any firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted October 1, 2014 I am not going to lie. I like mandatory training. We have it for other stuff. Why not this. My only problem is that its just another restriction in an otherwise marxist state. You need training to drive, a course for a hunters license so why not for this. This would benefit ranges and trainers in NJ so its supporting local business. Not their stupidest idea Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustang69 505 Posted October 1, 2014 2 things concern me the most here (beyond the obvious question as to why this would exist at all). First, the statement about not needing the training for renewal of an FPID. Is this a slip-up on a possible intent to have FPID's expire after a certain timeframe? Second, note the make-up of the firearm safety panel and who would appoint the members. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,570 Posted October 1, 2014 I am not going to lie. I like mandatory training. We have it for other stuff. Why not this. My only problem is that its just another restriction in an otherwise marxist state. You need training to drive, a course for a hunters license so why not for this. This would benefit ranges and trainers in NJ so its supporting local business. Not their stupidest idea A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. I failed to see where it states that training is required in the above. Just like voting is a RIGHT and not a PRIVILEGE. DO NOT GIVE UP NEW JERSEYIANS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
njpilot 671 Posted October 1, 2014 I failed to see where it states that training is required in the above. Just like voting is a RIGHT and not a PRIVILEGE. DO NOT GIVE UP NEW JERSEYIANS. Exactly. I'll go for this if they require everyone who wishes to vote must first pass a test on current events and civics. Should thin out quite a bit of the low/no information, sucking off the teat of the taxpayer crowd. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iggyort 44 Posted October 2, 2014 I have a feeling this is intended to embarrass Gov Christie. I wonder if the same dick-wad would support a literacy or civics test before voting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
louu 399 Posted October 2, 2014 I am not going to lie. I like mandatory training. We have it for other stuff. Why not this. My only problem is that its just another restriction in an otherwise marxist state. You need training to drive, a course for a hunters license so why not for this. This would benefit ranges and trainers in NJ so its supporting local business. Not their stupidest idea No offense here buddy but what part of "Shall not be infringed" do you not understand? They are already raping the Constitution as it is. We keep giving and inch here or there and they will take a mile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
intercooler 41 Posted October 2, 2014 I am not going to lie. I like mandatory training. We have it for other stuff. Why not this. My only problem is that its just another restriction in an otherwise marxist state. You need training to drive, a course for a hunters license so why not for this. This would benefit ranges and trainers in NJ so its supporting local business. Not their stupidest ideahaving a drivers license is a privilege NOT a RIGHT watch them do that with voting and see the ACLU swoop in sadly for guns, the aclu seems to turn the other eye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted October 2, 2014 the scary thing is this has a good chance to make it through.....i can't believe the morons writing these bills up Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
45Doll 5,877 Posted October 2, 2014 the scary thing is this has a good chance to make it through.....i can't believe the morons writing these bills up They're not morons. They're committed ideologues. And their commitment is to disarm the law abiding citizens of New Jersey. They don't want you armed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeerSlayer 241 Posted October 2, 2014 Maybe Christy will conditionally veto. The conditions being that the FIPid would then also serve as a permit to carry as well. I may even consider him as an actual republican if he did that. But I know better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NYMetsFan86 9 Posted October 2, 2014 And I dont want them in office but my vote and yours seemed to be outnumbered by scumbags and people who dont need checks from nj but get them anyway Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voyager9 3,434 Posted October 2, 2014 I am not going to lie. I like mandatory training. We have it for other stuff. Why not this. My only problem is that its just another restriction in an otherwise marxist state. You need training to drive, a course for a hunters license so why not for this. This would benefit ranges and trainers in NJ so its supporting local business. Not their stupidest idea I see your point. And I would agree if I believed the goal of this bill is to improve the knowledge and training of applicants. We both know the goal is to establish yet another barrier to entry to something that is a right in any other state. If they truly wanted to achieve the former without infringing they would incentivize training. Reduce the cost of the FID if applicant shows documented training.. Etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
glockamole 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Seems like with all these steps we have already and this it is as if we are getting our carry permits... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NEAHS 11 Posted October 2, 2014 Yet another way to keep low income law abiding citizens from their 2A rights! Lets make it even more burdensome, that way folks just give up on the idea of owning a firearm to protect themselves! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunguy1960 2 Posted October 2, 2014 Lets turn this into an opportunity! Libs want safety? Give it in spades! Lets propose manadatory gun safety courses in high schools with a class trip to the range instead, worlds safer and we spark the gun interest in the kiddies, hell schools back in the day had shooting clubs, so lets write this up and toss it into the laps of those safety police libs! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jackandjill 683 Posted October 2, 2014 This is another idea to invoke the "us vs them" emotion in population. These guys are not stupid. In their view, the only safest firearm is the one that doesnt fire. Are you willing to give into that ? If you fall for this sh*t, you might as well go with 1 round ARs and firearms with bricks attached as safety devices. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted October 2, 2014 Just curious.... would current FPID holders be "grandfathered?" Would anyone applying for new P2Ps (after having obtained initial FPID and P2Ps) also have to meet this requirement? I'd have a bunch of issues more with it, in that case.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iamkurrupt 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Only training should be for CCW. Thought that May have been the post. Silly me! Look at the sponsor. Good old Peter Barnes! Please google videos of this idiot epitome of a moron drunk politician. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted October 2, 2014 I dont get it. All you people go to Florida, Utah and every other ccw class so you can carry concealed in other states. Thats training before you are allowed a constitutional right. Very few states have constitutional carry. I get that this isnt for ccw in NJ but the lines are similar before exercising a right. Do realize that the world we live in is full of people who arent self responsible. We see people at ranges all the time who dont know the proper rules of gun safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HBecwithFn7 296 Posted October 2, 2014 I dont get it. All you people go to Florida, Utah and every other ccw class so you can carry concealed in other states. Thats training before you are allowed a constitutional right. Very few states have constitutional carry. I get that this isnt for ccw in NJ but the lines are similar before exercising a right. Do realize that the world we live in is full of people who arent self responsible. We see people at ranges all the time who dont know the proper rules of gun safety. There are some that don't believe that CCW training should be a "requirement" either... because it's a "constitutional right." Refer to this Shaneen Allen thread... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ogfarmer 138 Posted October 2, 2014 I kinda agree on the training, cause I know of a person who occasionally posts here but more on FB who definitely needs some basic training cause they are a complete idiot when it comes to firearms. Really grinds my gears. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites