maintenanceguy 510 Posted October 18, 2016 The "SKS Conversion" thread got me thinking. If somebody modified an AR so that the magazine could not be removed without disassembly of the rifle, it's no longer an "assault weapon". It could have a flash suppressor, adjustable stock, etc. But, how do you load such a rifle, when the bolt is retracted, there isn't enough room to load the magazine from the top. What if the bottom came off the magazine? You could open a trap door at the bottom of the mag, slide out the spring and follower and load from the bottom. Seems legal. Anything I missed? Any way this is illegal? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhunted 887 Posted October 18, 2016 Like this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted October 18, 2016 We'll know when New York's SAFE Act gets here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted October 18, 2016 Why not just pull the rear take down pin and then load the mag that way? Probably allot easier than fighting to get the follower spring back in a full mag 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted October 18, 2016 I've wondered if Commiefornia bullet buttons would work. Not worth the trade off, imho. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,107 Posted October 18, 2016 We'll know when New York's SAFE Act gets here. You think NJ is going to have a safe act? Murphy gets elected NJ will be the first state to have an all out ban on guns. Loretta, Double Dipper, Weinberg will introduce legislation and he'll sign it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1LtCAP 4,264 Posted October 18, 2016 We'll know when New York's SAFE Act gets here. which will more than likely be some time next year when christie's gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 18, 2016 I've been contemplating solutions to this seemingly inevitable situation (SAFE Act). Loading from the top seems to be the most viable solution. I'm unsure of how rounds would be fed upward without a spring and follower in a feed from the bottom design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted October 18, 2016 Loading 7 rounds from the top seems ridiculous if you want a bayonet, fh and collapsible stock. Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted October 18, 2016 I would never trade a detachable magazine for a collapsible stock, flash surpressot, and bayonet stud. You would be trading a great deal of utility for "looks". The detachable magazine is a much better feature than those. I realize to some it's all about looks. Like 15/30 magazines and spending money to add a muzzle brake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 697 Posted October 18, 2016 If when the safe act comes NJ will will have to trade the detachable magazine if we want a pistol grip. Those fugly NY ARs will be coming to NJ soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Old Glock guy 1,127 Posted October 18, 2016 We'll know when New York's SAFE Act gets here. Beat me to it! I was going to say that we will all learn a lot more about fixed mag AR's in 2017. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MartyZ 697 Posted October 18, 2016 Here you go, LWRC made a prototype, maybe other manufacturers will try something similar. But hopefully not a brand new lower but maybe some sort of a retrofit. http://nyfirearms.com/forums/ar-15/69486-we-spoke-lwrc-listened-ny-compliant-ar-lr7-ny.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted October 18, 2016 Keep in mind that New York was crafty enough to word their Article 265 Penal Law to read as such: 22. "Assault weapon" means(a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: The ARMagLok is good for CA, but would not pass muster in NY. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 19, 2016 Keep in mind that New York was crafty enough to word their Article 265 Penal Law to read as such: 22. "Assault weapon" means (a) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following characteristics: The ARMagLok is good for CA, but would not pass muster in NY. If it was a fixed magazine you would be good to go. I was thinking top loading with stripper clips. It would have to be an upper receiver with a cutout over the magazine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Purple Patrick 638 Posted October 19, 2016 Someone should make a lower that has a hinged mag such as a Mosin or sks that could be opened for cleaning or malfunctions but otherwise non removable except during full disassembly. Some how mill or add a stripper clip guide to the inside of the lower reciever or mag and design a modern curved stripper clip that could be inserted right thru the ejection port. I have this pictured out in my head as being a nifty last resort this signature exceeds the 15 character capacity count Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
302w 83 Posted October 19, 2016 Mini 14s can be converted to strippers. I'm sure mags can be pinned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fishnut 2,358 Posted October 19, 2016 Mini 14s can be converted to strippers. I'm sure mags can be pinned.do you mean that the mags can be converted or is there a way to use strippers through the open action while the mag is in place? I have a Mini in a butler creek folding stock I keep out of state but I'd like it to be my truck gun again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted October 20, 2016 Someone should make a lower that has a hinged mag such as a Mosin or sks that could be opened for cleaning or malfunctions but otherwise non removable except during full disassembly. Some how mill or add a stripper clip guide to the inside of the lower reciever or mag and design a modern curved stripper clip that could be inserted right thru the ejection port. I have this pictured out in my head as being a nifty last resort this signature exceeds the 15 character capacity count I was thinking a hinged picatinny rail with the center milled out to act as a stripper guide. Spring loaded would be ideal, but I have no idea how to get from concept to a working design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex V 99 Posted October 24, 2016 So much for the "I will not comply" mentality. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sht 3 Posted November 3, 2016 Detachable mag is worth more then any "evil feature" 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted November 21, 2016 We'll know when New York's SAFE Act gets here. no we won't, unlike NY, we will defeat it in court I'm amazed this hasn't been shot down in NY yet but at least the Sheriffs are not enforcing it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
myhatinthering 462 Posted November 21, 2016 So much for the "I will not comply" mentality. amen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted November 21, 2016 All of this conversation will be academic when Trump makes all the AWBs and magazine limits go away. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJM981 924 Posted November 21, 2016 All of this conversation will be academic when Trump makes all the AWBs and magazine limits go away. There is no federal AWB or magazine capacity limit. The only way we're getting rid of those in NJ is through federal court. The Caetano v. Massachusetts decision discussed in the stun gun thread can be used to argue that the NJ AWB and magazine limits are unconstitutional. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GRIZ 3,369 Posted November 21, 2016 There is no federal AWB or magazine capacity limit. The only way we're getting rid of those in NJ is through federal court. The Caetano v. Massachusetts decision discussed in the stun gun thread can be used to argue that the NJ AWB and magazine limits are unconstitutional. I am well aware there is no Federal AWB or magazine limit. You're wrong about a prolonged court battle being the only way to do away with AWBs and magazine limits imposed by states. These two issues, concealed carry in all states, and other issues can easily be remedied by attaching them as a condition to receive Federal funding. This can be attached to funding for anything. That would put the onus of repealing these laws on state legislatures. I think Democrats like to spend money more than hate guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sota 1,191 Posted February 28, 2017 http://www.meanarms.com/ma-loader-for-ar15 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SJG 253 Posted February 28, 2017 Haven't checked it out, but in NY is a loose belt fed semi auto AR out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob0115 1,107 Posted March 1, 2017 Like this beauty? https://freedomordnance.com/product/fm-9-9mm-belt-fed-ar15m16-upper-11-elite-model/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bully 749 Posted March 2, 2017 So much for the "I will not comply" mentality. My thoughts exactly. Looking for ways to follow laws not in place yet is conceding. I'm just not there. I also don't own any AR's... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites