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I think @Zeke was referring to a more recent controversy...? The link you provided was the one the CDC released during the Obama administration - in which, on the one hand, they admitted DGU's were "common" - but on the other hand, they hemmed and hawed and said "gee, the studies vary widely... we really need more studies to validate this" etc. Within the last few days, it turns out that one of the top researchers, Gary Kleck, whose studies show DGUs are very common... stumbled upon UNPUBLISHED data from the CDC. The CDC had added DGU questions to some large sweeping survey and conducted it 3 years in a row. Their findings appear to align with Kleck's data - and yet they NEVER published it. So, think about that for a minute - to be squawking "we need more data to validate this" - but then to SIT on your own data that does validate it. It seems they buried their own data because it showed something they didn't want to see - data that didn't align with the agency's known anti-gun stance. Here's one of the articles describing the recent controversy: https://www.ammoland.com/2018/04/cdc-failed-to-report-strong-evidence-of-defensive-gun-uses/#axzz5EML6LUus

I thought it was pretty good and she almost made a connection that I never see in any article, the AR-15 type rifle is the number 1 rifle format sold in the US. They always have to throw in that AR-15 style rifles were used in mass shootings. To me that's a lot like saying the F-150 is the number 1 selling pickup in the US and then the F-150 is the number one stolen pickup in the US. Well, duh. If there's more of one type of anything out in the world then any other, the chances are that item is going to see more usage both good and bad. It's like when they say "people that go to shoot at the range regularly are more likely to get injured at the range then someone who doesn't go to the range" again duh... -Jim

I'm putting this in a public forum... keep the language clean, pls. There's been several articles on here about activists (like Gov Cuomo) pressuring banks to step away from business with firearm manufacturers. Here's a new twist... in retribution, Hornady has said they won't sell any ammo to NY state's various agencies. Geez, how I would LOVE to see all the other manufacturers do the same thing... and then see them get raped and pillaged on price by the ones who will still deal with them. It's a lot to hope for... but, here's wishin' and a hopin'. https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/04/30/hornady-takes-stand-bullying-state-new-york/

If it were today Murphy would have me reported on a list as bringing beer from other states to NJ endangering the undocumented immigrants lives because they would end up drunk driving with their new drivers licenses to their hamburger flipping 15.00/hr jobs that they hope to leave after their free college. But I would be the criminal.

Stingers have screwed up more guns. The brass is longer than a regular 22LR and most, virtually all, chambers are not designed to handle them. This puts the bullet into the lands and pressure goes way up and accuracy way down. Waste of time and money. Not to mention the beating the bolt and receiver do to the receiver.

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These will work as well. Just a bugger to put into place unless you use a little grease. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/recoil-parts/recoil-buffers/ruger-10-22-bolt-buffer-prod26667.aspx

So it’s not a fake suppressor it’s a vaporizer?

And in case you haven't noticed, Ms Parks doesn't use the term assault rifle anywhere in the article. Not once.

The finite balance of thermodynamics, pythagorean theorem and their intersect in calculus.

Soooooo... I went down this rabbit hole to a pretty significant degree. I will skip all my boring research and cut to my findings. ALL of which are my opinion and open to interpretation and additionally could be entirely wrong. But people I talked to, experts in the field of combat optics, helped me form this opinion. Your performance with a LPV vs a red dot may have nothing to do with the optics themselves. Its a software issue. Your performance is dependant on the sight picture your brain will accept vs what the optic is doing. Now that I know this I can watch out for it when someone is having trouble with a LPV. What I find is that they are way more critical of their aim with a red dot in a scope instead of the red dot of say an aimpoint because its not a scope. They have to learn to use it like an aimpoint and only see what you need to see to break the shot. Tactical Monkey and I did a LOT of testing with probably about 10k in optics on the table, simple repeatable drills from MDTS, and a timer. A lot of our data just didnt add up! Again for brevity, TM and I are comparable shooters. But the times between ourselves and Red Dots vs cross hairs vs horseshoes etc etc varied significantly! So varied it simply didnt make sense at all. What really showed this was the Acogs. My speeds as distance shrunk did not fall off nearly as much as TM's. Stark differences. The reason, his brain would not accept the sight picture. Same thing happened with the LPV's, just not as dramatic. My brain had no issue with the sight pic so the performance difference between a red dot and a LPV at 1x was fractions of a second. Now TM's Brain craves a red dot. So his performance with the red dot was very consistent. My brain actually seems to prefer reticles. So my performance varied more with the RDS.

I’m not really sure how the bank can do this. I would like to assume lending laws might prevail here. If the business is a legal one and the financial risk is minimal I don’t feel the bank should have the right to judge. Do they take the same moral high road for a bar with nude dancers? A porn shop? A building loan for a planned parenthood building? Where’s the line and how can they cross it? There’re loan grants should be based on business decisions and not moral or political ones.

I don’t blame her for any gaffes. It’s obscenely complicated to be a gun owner here. Even those of us who’ve had guns in NJ for years are still unclear on some aspects. Kudos @Katie Park for your efforts to reach out to us and put out a fair piece of content. I doubt it’ll change anyone’s perspective, but it’s good to have out there.

I think this is about as fair and well-written an article as you'll get from a journalist... which, in some sense, is shocking to see in a NJ newspaper. I think Katie hit it out of the "Park". Frankly, I hope this raises her curiosity and makes her interested in writing more articles. We need "reasonable" coverage of these issues. Most of the articles I've seen have been hack jobs. As far as some of the finer points you may disagree with... that's your cue to write in and comment on the article and bring out other relevant facts and statistics.

Well our girl Katie Park the reporter finally got her story out. https://www.app.com/story/news/politics/new-jersey/2018/05/01/how-buy-gun-nj-new-jersey-permit-laws/448221002/

Its not about recoil its about neutral muzzle movement. And its only a facet of that equation. If you dont have good technique, it wont matter. If your not interested in putting rounds on target FAST in as close to shot 1 as possible, it wont matter for you.

Okay. You're good. You can stay.

Thanks gentlemen. That is an excellent option.

if you get one can I shoot it?

This. Pretty much all 10/22 aftermarket barrels are bentz chambers as well, so makes it even worse. Also if going for accuracy, stick to subsonic in the 10/22. I have replkaced said pin with a synthetic buffer similar to what Parker posted. I recommend them over the coated steel ones as the coated steel ones can shred the coating faster than the all polymer ones give up the ghost.

Yup. That movie and Paul Newman opened a whole can of worms for Coors.

Actually as communist as it sounds that may not necessarily be the case. Some old timers out there may remember when Coors beer wouldn’t come east of the Rockies. They were sued and it was ruled that they had to. Some ICC ruling. It was back in the late ‘70s.

I would agree there are more players on the field. I dont entirely disagree with your point. I DO remain skeptical of their durability. BUT not everyone needs that durability and you may not need it for every firearm in your safe. My go to guns all have proven optics. But I am asked so frequently about budget optics and have nothing to offer so I bought a few that looked to me to be a solid offering at a reasonable price point. Those two were a Holosun and the Steiner P4XI. In case you were unaware, it looks like you can get the Steiner for about $70 more than the PA 1-8. So I would consider these comparable price points. With that being said, I think the P4XI was in the $700 range when it came out but I think the foreign competition is driving down the price of the big boys. That could be good, or it could be bad if the big boys start cutting corners in premium optics to chase market share.

Pork roll. I'm originally from Central Jersey near the beach so it's Pork Roll for us.

So you managed to disappoint two women at the same time?

I would but i made that mistake once and the member i shared the email with distributed it to pretty much everyone.... So i no longer share emails LOL Its not confidential but it was a 2 person conversation... You can always email them if you want to ask a question.

Would not even matter if they did.. If its factory 15 or 10 then that is a legal mag. You adding more is illegal.

no, but there is the likelyhood that you'll hafta spend bunches of money defending yourself should they ever see them. yea, i'm paranoid.

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You are ok... I changed my mind LOL

Not sure you are ok but your mags are legal LOL

Vlad, I actually have Astig. Red dots suffer the most distortion for me. I havent played with the Steiner enough to know if there is any distortion but none jumped out at me at first blush. With that being said, the two options that are probably better are reticles that light. My short dot illuminates this way. There arent many that illuminate this way that are daylight usable. The Elcan does as well but....Arms mount :(. The USO 1-4 is unique in that it uses a beam splitter to make its dot in the second focal plane. VERY bright and I dont see distortion of the dot. My gripe with that optic is they use a coating to make sure the beam doesnt emit out the front. Because of that it goes dark a little quicker in lowlight situations than other optics. But back to the Steiner, if you need to make a precise shot, you can just click off the illum and use the ret. It has off ticks in between all illum settings. The attraction to the Steiner is the amount of scope you get for little money. This scope is what I would consider a great value in Optics. There are a lot of things I would change, but for the price, its cheaper than an Aimpoint with a lot more capability. Hard to ignore. Ray, your basing your recommendation of $100 scope on your experience with a $400 scope? Why are you recommending the cheapest thing you can find? He looked at and liked the Triji and was asking about it. Vlad isnt exactly a newbie looking for an entry level entry point. Considering his experience and inventory I do not think bargain basement entry level optics is what he is looking for. Im not going to bash PA because I dont have any experience with them. But the general consensus on PA entry level optics would leave me concerned about recommending them to Vlad. Its not about throwing money at a problem. But how much quality do you think you can get for $100 bucks? I FULLY ADMIT that I am not the right guy to ask about budget optics. At the same time I believe firmly in the false economics of cheap. Does he need to drop 2700 on an S&B short dot? Probably not unless he decided he wanted top tier, battle proven(meaning rugged and reliable in harsh conditions). But optics is a complex personal choice. As Ive said a bajillion times, optics are a compromise on many levels. You need to decide what compromises fit YOUR needs. For some, a $400 scope for their range fun is perfectly fine. Others have other criteria they are looking to fulfill.

Thanks @remixer I always just wanna make sure im ok. After all NJ is after our guns and rights anyways.

According to the NJSP... if the mag is listed by the manufacture to be 10 or 15nds its legal. IE SW mp9 15nd mags have a bit of extra spring coiled on the bottom.. cut that out and you have 17 again. take any 15rd mag and cut off a few loops and it will hold more... You are changing its intended capacity...

Do not I repeat do not look to gunboards for advice on PU Snipers. There are maybe a handful of members left there that know what they are talking about. You want the correct info join RMNF. There are a whole lot of fake PU Snipers out there. Also You can get a nice PU Sniper still for just under $1,000. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

They will be legal as the magazine is a Factory Manufactured 10 rnd magazine even if you can open them... plenty of 15rd factory mags can take a 16th round. the mag is legal the 16th round loading is not.

It was dark out and he was more concerned with getting out of dodge and moving to Florida. Which I couldn't blame him at all. I was actually a little jealous....until a few months later when Florida turned Anti too. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Yup, but it was published, just not widely disseminated - https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/3

"The Rev. Robert Moore wants to know the answer to that question by way of studies and hard evidence. “There does need to be more studies done. What makes you safe in your home?” Moore, the executive director of Princeton-based Coalition for Peace Action, said. In addition to campaigns titled “Diplomacy, Not War” and “No Wars, No Warming,” the Coalition for Peace Action mounts a campaign called “Ceasefire NJ,” which pushes for more gun control. Moore noted that he does not oppose the Second Amendment, or the right to keep and bear arms, or people who shoot for recreation. But he is unnerved by the harrowing statistics on gun violence. He urges potential gun buyers to carefully consider their decision." He is a widely-known and consummate liar. Case in point: “I know about the NRA mantra — that ‘The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,’” Moore said. “That only works in Wild West fantasies, most of the time.” FALSE. Says who? The CDC, including the Kleck report.

Welcome. Serious question, do you call it pork roll or Taylor Ham?

Soooo quadratic

I've never been very impressed with newspaper journalists. Every time I've dealt with them, they got something wrong/backwards/twisted...this article is about as good as it gets.

Not bad, overall. A fairly accurate depiction of the process. Of course the one-gun-every-90-days bit was wrong, and I would have liked to see mention of how far many PD's deviate from the proscribed process in order to throw up additional roadblocks. I would also like to have seen the CCW numbers parsed a bit, to highlight that those CCW permits are NOT going to Joe and Jane Citizen. Kudos to Rosie and Anthony for their contributions to the story, and to Katie for coming to this forum to ask questions.

To expand this a bit, it would be really great if firearm manufacturers refused to enter into contracts to supply firearms to any State and its political subdivisions that are hostile to the second amendment and have enacted draconian firearm laws, such as New Jersey. I assume Glock, Sig and S&W provide the majority of weapons to law enforcement and department members would not be happy if they had to carry second tier weapons. Didn't Magpul relocate from an anti State to a pro-State.

I'm very happy to see them fight back! I hope many others follow suit very soon. I suddenly feel the urge to buy some more Hornady ammo!

For the record, there has not been one drive by bayoneting in NJ since 1989.

Lambo2936: haha! Thanks. I’ve never even heard of “evil features” until I learned I was moving to nj.

I don't wear any pants unless I absolutely have to.

Listen to the experts above. [emoji38] Sent from an undisclosed location via Tapatalk