BlueLineFish 615 Posted April 14, 2012 Ok I will but I expect proper behavior when handling it Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 14, 2012 Ok I will but I expect proper behavior when handling it Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2 quoted for truth, wink wink Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnp 45 Posted April 14, 2012 I just found this site, I've never seen it before but it seems to be selling the KSG for a very discounted price. Anyone have any experience with this site? http://www.cmcgov.com/store/pc/KEL-TEC-KSG-12GA-18-5-14+1RD-371p13943.htm#details Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blksheep 466 Posted April 16, 2012 Interesting site. I have had vendors on here tell me things are illegal also and they are very legal. Go figure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
raz-0 1,259 Posted April 17, 2012 I just found this site, I've never seen it before but it seems to be selling the KSG for a very discounted price. Anyone have any experience with this site? http://www.cmcgov.com/store/pc/KEL-TEC-KSG-12GA-18-5-14+1RD-371p13943.htm#details I've ordered stuff from them. Communication was non existent. Took forever to ship. Had that feeling of I ordered it from them, they ordered it from the manufacturer, when it arrived they shipped it out. But they did discount when it was order from the manufacturer at msrp or wait til someone stocked it maybe eventually. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted April 17, 2012 Mine is due in soon. Saw one at my shop being picked up. It is sweet. A lot smaller than I thought. Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2 Im on the list Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted April 17, 2012 On the list at Caso's ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tactical Monkey 51 Posted April 17, 2012 Ok I will but I expect proper behavior when handling it quoted for truth, wink wink Worse than pics.... It's NJ Legal. If it were semi-auto it would be illegal - pistol grip, more than 6, etc. Since it's a pump it is legal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted April 18, 2012 On the list at Caso's ? Ayup I know it's going to be a wait, but im in no rush for it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4BGRINGO 139 Posted April 18, 2012 http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=485377 This guy doesn't seem too happy with his: I can tell you this much about the gun, dont buy it. I waited months for mine and recently took delivery of it and as any excited boy with a new toy would do,I cleaned it and I went straight to the range. First Impression,it looks cool and that’s where the good impressions end. Kel Tec should have waited till the design was complete and bug free before releasing any of these weapons to anyone. The gun is very awkward almost to the point of difficult to load and you will most likely cut your finger doing so. Now imagine trying to load this thing in the field under high stress situations. I dont see how it is possible to combat load a round into the chamber without turning the gun upside down. The magazine selector switch is very hard to manipulate from right to left on my gun and would need to be in the neutral position to attempt a combat load, which is one more extra step which would most likely get you shot in the face in real combat.. Chambered and fired first round, and racked it back only to encounter a double feed jam! The gun failed to extract the spent shell and attempted to load not 1 but 2 additional rounds at once, so a total of 3 rounds were stuck in there, leaving me with a 26″ long baseball bat to defend myself with. This type of jam is simply impossible to clear in a combat situation and would have cost me my life. It takes several minutes to clear the jams once they happen. I fired another round and it did the same exact thing. In fact the first 6-7 attempts the gun jammed the same way. Thinking it was me possibly limp wristing the slide, I allowed 4 other colleges to attempt to shoot it and it did the same thing for all 4 of them, including one range master/fire arms instructor. So it was not me. Now I am far from a gun expert, but I have been in law enforcement for over 15 years and qualify 2 times a year with our shotgun and have put thousands of shotgun rounds down range and never once had a shotgun jam on me. I notified Kel-tec who told me they wanted me to return the gun which keep in mind was just purchased a day or two prior, and would send me a call tag and take a look at it when they get a chance. That was over 4-5 days ago, no call tag, no returned email or phone call. I fired the gun several more times since and the gun now religiously jams on me at least once out of every 10-15 rounds. To make things worse I attempted one more time today to shoot it utilizing a forward pistol grip which subsequently broke 2 teeth of the rail within the first 3 shots…. Kel-tec stated this gun would revolutionize the industry, and if by revolutionize they mean get a ton of people killed, then yes they are doing it. At this point I fell that Kel Tec is utilizing people like me to do their R&D for them while making big money on markups. The design is really stupid when you look at it in detail and how the rounds are extracted and rechambered via one exit which increases the jamming probability much more than a side eject. The extracted round has to pass downward past the rounds in the magazine, then a new round needs to be fed upward. In my opinion this X-crossing effect is a poor design prone to failure and jamming. There is no way this gun would ever stand up to the abuse of actual combat performance either for police or military. Save your money and buy a real shotgun this thing is a video game cool looking novelty, and I dont predict Kel Tec being around the marketplace much longer with failures like this weapon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PK90 3,573 Posted April 19, 2012 Who wrote that? RayRay? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted April 19, 2012 Wow, first time I've heard of it being a jam-o-matic, second time I've heard of the bottom rail failing with a forward grip attached. Will continue to wait and watch. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted April 19, 2012 Who wrote that? RayRay? wow, good guess I did Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted April 19, 2012 I have heard about the front rail. I handled one and didnt think a foregrip would be necessary. I wont be using it in combat that is what my 870 is for. Hopefully mine is issue free since it is yet to be built Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melgamatic 66 Posted April 19, 2012 I know that after they delivered a few hundred guns they changed a bunch of minor, but important, things and started making those (version 2). Both main problems that guy mentioned are related to the version 2 improvements, so I wonder what version he got. I'm not sure how you tell which version a shotgun is...I've seen auctions on gunbroker that mentioned they were version 2, but not sure how you confirm that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anabolism 2 Posted April 19, 2012 Hearing reviews like that enforces my decision to wait out on buying this gun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted April 19, 2012 don't like that plastic is breaking, cheap plastics? maybe version 2 is using a different type of plastic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M4BGRINGO 139 Posted April 19, 2012 Did Ray Ray signup on The Firing Line as dajerseyrat? I want one of these guns once they work right, just for the fun of it. Same reason I have my Saiga-12, just for the fun of it (and Knockdown Steel!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadayo 39 Posted April 19, 2012 I have had a KSG since early January 2012. I have had not one problem with mine and I have had a pistol grip on the forend since day one. It really stinks that some people are having problems. I just wanted to weigh in and say that there are definitely some people who have a trouble free KSG. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted April 19, 2012 I think its just like anything else. Some just get a bad one. As long as kel- tec fixes it then it shouldnt matter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tuktuk 16 Posted April 21, 2012 i wasnt planning to buy it till next year anyways that Shud give them enough time to fix all the bugs.... hopefully Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KpdPipes 388 Posted April 21, 2012 The design is really stupid when you look at it in detail and how the rounds are extracted and rechambered via one exit which increases the jamming probability much more than a side eject. The extracted round has to pass downward past the rounds in the magazine, then a new round needs to be fed upward. In my opinion this X-crossing effect is a poor design prone to failure and jamming. There is no way this gun would ever stand up to the abuse of actual combat performance either for police or military. Yet the Ithaca 37 did the same thing for the better part of what, 100 years now???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parker 213 Posted April 21, 2012 Yet the Ithaca 37 did the same thing for the better part of what, 100 years now???? Pretty much. John M. Browning developed its parent, the Remington 17, a bottom-ejecting pump shotgun in 1915. It was chambered only in 20 ga. WWI changed things and production was somewhat limited. Remington's production of the M17 ended in 1933, with less than 75,000 being made. After the patents expired in 1937, Ithaca introduced it as the Model 37 Featherlight in 1937. And it's still in production. It must be a good design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BlueLineFish 615 Posted May 1, 2012 Just got a call. Mine is ready to be shipped. Just gave my cc for payment. Hopefully i will have it by the end of the week Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DirtyDigz 1,812 Posted May 1, 2012 Just got a call. Mine is ready to be shipped. Just gave my cc for payment. Hopefully i will have it by the end of the week Congrats! Pics and range report ASAP, please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 1, 2012 Call me ASAP, I'll drop everything to see this thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkWVU02 47 Posted May 1, 2012 Sweet. Let us know how it shoots. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 1, 2012 Sweet. Let us know how it shoots. I will Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david8613 69 Posted May 1, 2012 being there is alot of things you dont like, i hope you like it ray ray... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray Ray 3,566 Posted May 1, 2012 being there is alot of things you dont like, i hope you like it ray ray... crazy right! The gun has so many issues and they aren't even available. So, i'm gonna take a fine tooth comb to this bad boy and run it like only I can. Will it replace my Mossbergs? Not a chance. Will it replace any quality defensive pumps? Only time will tell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
